(05-12-2012, 12:19 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(05-12-2012, 12:16 PM)IMaDick Wrote: They have equal rights.

Really? They are considered next of kin like you & your wife are?

Marriage is not a right nor are the benefits.

I could give you the right to sit with me while I die, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could give you complete say so over my health care, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could leave you everything I own we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could make you executor of my estate we don't have to be married or related for that to happen.

Quote:I could give you complete say so over my health care, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

If civil unions are banned in your state this isn't true.

ImaDick sed:

Quote:Romney should ignore all of the distractions and just focus on what's important.

Gay Marriage is a state issue and Obama will shelve it as soon as he can.

He needs to just answer the questions like this.


Make a note of your question and ask me again when I'm the President,at this point I have no authority to make any changes or to influence in anyway how the states decide on the issue of gay marriage.

Next question.

Too late for that, especially now that he's being painted as a homophobe bully. Trying to shut down the furor will be like the proverbial tempest in a teacup. Remember John Kerry and the Swiftboat vets horseshit? The whole goddamn race became centered around that issue and whether or not he "deserved" his war medals. Any attempt now to direct the issues back to actual pertinent debate is going to be seen as avoidance and a tacit admission of guilt.

As for Obama shutting it down: it's not within his power to do so now, even if he wanted to. Even if you were right about it being a state issue, it's an important issue to a great many gay people with considerable media clout. Guaranteed coverage. This isn't going away anytime soon. And as long as it stays the focus of the election, Obama benefits.

(05-12-2012, 12:13 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I don't know how any fair minded person could possibly have a problem with equal rights for them.

When you start throwing religion into the mix, all bets are off. People justify some pretty insane stuff in the name of God and fill-in-the-blank holy scripture. This issue doesn't even make the top ten of "nutty beliefs endorsed by God".

(05-12-2012, 12:25 PM)Ma Huang Sor Wrote:

Quote:I could give you complete say so over my health care, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

If civil unions are banned in your state this isn't true.

Bullshit, I can give anyone I want to control over my health care decisions should I not be able to make the decision myself.

I don't know why everyone feels so limited? What the fuck causes that?

(05-12-2012, 12:26 PM)Donovan Wrote: ImaDick sed:

Quote:Romney should ignore all of the distractions and just focus on what's important.

Gay Marriage is a state issue and Obama will shelve it as soon as he can.

He needs to just answer the questions like this.


Make a note of your question and ask me again when I'm the President,at this point I have no authority to make any changes or to influence in anyway how the states decide on the issue of gay marriage.

Next question.

Too late for that, especially now that he's being painted as a homophobe bully. Trying to shut down the furor will be like the proverbial tempest in a teacup. Remember John Kerry and the Swiftboat vets horseshit? The whole goddamn race became centered around that issue and whether or not he "deserved" his war medals. Any attempt now to direct the issues back to actual pertinent debate is going to be seen as avoidance and a tacit admission of guilt.

As for Obama shutting it down: it's not within his power to do so now, even if he wanted to. Even if you were right about it being a state issue, it's an important issue to a great many gay people with considerable media clout. Guaranteed coverage. This isn't going away anytime soon. And as long as it stays the focus of the election, Obama benefits.

You don't seem to understand and I think I should leave you that way but education is free and I think I should help the kids figure shit out sometimes so check it out again .

Obama says He supports gay Marriage and Romney says He supports the states rights to decide that question for themselves.

end of story.

It's no more of a problem than Obama voting for legislation to allow the shelving of babies that survive a botched late term abortion.

(05-12-2012, 12:38 PM)Donovan Wrote:

(05-12-2012, 12:13 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I don't know how any fair minded person could possibly have a problem with equal rights for them.

When you start throwing religion into the mix, all bets are off. People justify some pretty insane stuff in the name of God and fill-in-the-blank holy scripture. This issue doesn't even make the top ten of "nutty beliefs endorsed by God".

Like you don't get any whacky shit when you take God and the Bible out of the equation.

(05-12-2012, 12:23 PM)IMaDick Wrote: I could give you the right to sit with me while I die, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could give you complete say so over my health care, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could leave you everything I own we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could make you executor of my estate we don't have to be married or related for that to happen.

Everything you mentioned ^^^^^ is best case scenario. That's not always the reality for gay couples, Dick. I have empathy for them.

(05-12-2012, 12:49 PM)IMaDick Wrote: It's no more of a problem than Obama voting for legislation to allow the shelving of babies that survive a botched late term abortion.

You truly are one warped motherfucker.

(05-12-2012, 12:45 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Bullshit, I can give anyone I want to control over my health care decisions should I not be able to make the decision myself.

I don't know why everyone feels so limited? What the fuck causes that?

This is true. Advanced Medical Directives and Durable Power of Medical Attorneys allow a person to designate anyone of their choosing to be their surrogate decision maker once the person is no longer capable of communicating his/her treatment decisions. These documents supersede state protocols, which usually put the decision making on family members in a certain order. The documents aren't difficult to facilitate, nor expensive. As to why everyone feels so limited, I think that a lot of people just don't want to think about end of life and simply aren't aware of these documents until after they need them (which is too late; the person/patient needs to be alert and capable when they sign the docs).

Note: the only persons who legally can't be designated as surrogate health care decision makers are those professionally participating in the person's care (conflict of interest); no physicians, caregivers, nurses, nursing home management or attendants, etc...

(05-12-2012, 01:02 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:

(05-12-2012, 12:49 PM)IMaDick Wrote: It's no more of a problem than Obama voting for legislation to allow the shelving of babies that survive a botched late term abortion.

You truly are one warped motherfucker.

Really? I consider it much more warped to have your nuts stuck on the barbed wire and not be able to function or reason because you can't get your eyes off the Presidents crotch.

(05-12-2012, 01:02 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(05-12-2012, 12:23 PM)IMaDick Wrote: I could give you the right to sit with me while I die, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could give you complete say so over my health care, we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could leave you everything I own we don't have to be married for that to happen.

I could make you executor of my estate we don't have to be married or related for that to happen.

Everything you mentioned ^^^^^ is best case scenario. That's not always the reality for gay couples, Dick. I have empathy for them.

Everything I mentioned is common sense, I guess you could call it best case senario and be fairly accurate.

I understand your empathy I just don't share it.

(05-12-2012, 01:23 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Really? I consider it much more warped to have your nuts stuck on the barbed wire and not be able to function or reason because you can't get your eyes off the Presidents crotch.

"The shelving of babies" ?!

You've been reading your Glenn Beck books again haven't you?

(05-12-2012, 01:31 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:

(05-12-2012, 01:23 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Really? I consider it much more warped to have your nuts stuck on the barbed wire and not be able to function or reason because you can't get your eyes off the Presidents crotch.

"The shelving of babies" ?!

Look it up, it's some sick shit.

I'm sorry you're so ignorant.

(05-12-2012, 01:33 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Look it up, it's some sick shit.

I'm sorry you're so ignorant.

And he calls me deluded?



The "shelving" of babies after "failed late term abortions".

Its just another product your vivid and twisted imagination, leave reality to the grown ups theres a good boy.

Failed late term abortions? Is he chatting about third trimester D&C's where the life of the mother is clearly at risk?

(05-12-2012, 01:38 PM)Ma Huang Sor Wrote: Failed late term abortions? Is he chatting about third trimester D&C's where the life of the mother is clearly at risk?

As usual dick is posting deluded claptrap about a subject he knows nothing about.

You'll get used to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born-Alive_...ection_Act

Cure your ignorance.

Obama voted against this legislation 3 times.

(05-12-2012, 12:54 PM)IMaDick Wrote:

(05-12-2012, 12:38 PM)Donovan Wrote:

(05-12-2012, 12:13 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I don't know how any fair minded person could possibly have a problem with equal rights for them.

When you start throwing religion into the mix, all bets are off. People justify some pretty insane stuff in the name of God and fill-in-the-blank holy scripture. This issue doesn't even make the top ten of "nutty beliefs endorsed by God".

Like you don't get any whacky shit when you take God and the Bible out of the equation.

"God's will" is pretty much the number one reason for stupid and wacky shit throughout the history of mankind. Nothing else comes remotely close. Doesn't matter which god, or which scripture, so don't get your panties in a bunch. You know it's true.

Dick sed:

Quote:Obama says He supports gay Marriage and Romney says He supports the states rights to decide that question for themselves.

end of story.

Emphasis mine to show exactly where you're going to be wrong in the coming weeks. This story is exactly the kind of juicy story the media seizes on, and there are a great many people personally vested in keeping it on the front burner (for both sides). People with media exposure. People with control over content. People who have listeners. Like it or not, stuff like the economy and political voting histories bore and mystify this country full of idiots, but nothing energizes a race like a good hot button issue such as gay marriage. Encourages people to take sides, provides drama. Hell, we're looking at page ten just on this board alone.
This story has legs, watch and see.