(07-28-2012, 09:21 PM)RedCloud Wrote: Here's a bit of encouraging 'news' from the 'street' here in the south end of Toledo:

(We know how moronic these hoodrats are, SO....) Cameo is free; Sam got found guilty because of a snitch. 1+1= 3 ! (or maybe 4 ) Cam snitched on Sam to save his ass.

Oh. My. God. Hahaha! That's wonderful to read!

Oopsie! I meant Eric Taylor (ET).

That figures about 1+1 = 3. But I'm sure the tard will get it all straightened out. With the help of Jermaine maybe. I wonder who he is living with? Which baby momma is going to take him in? I know baby momma #1 is out. So is it baby momma #2 or #3?

(07-28-2012, 08:21 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Mustang, Who is IC ?

Where are you getting the IC from?

(07-27-2012, 11:40 PM)dontbedumb Wrote: Is it just a coincidence that Maytee thought that there was "probably" a third person in the home??? I went back to the beginning.

Although the coroner said it is unlikely the couple were drugged, Mrs. Vasquez-Clarke said she "doesn't believe that for a second." She said a third person was probably in the Longacre Lane home and perhaps slipped the drugs into the couple's drinks because taking prescription drugs was "out of character for both of them. They didn't take prescription drugs."

M

Oh ppplllleeeeaaazzzeee

(07-28-2012, 09:27 PM)Adub Wrote:

(07-28-2012, 08:21 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: I always thought that Er was like saying "ummm" or "uhhh" when you
pause in a sentence. Upon re-reading it, Im wondering if Sam wasnt
about to say Eric, and decided against warning him too...just to warn
Cameo only.
Isnt that something. We need to look into this Eric guy.
What was his last name? He came up in the jailhouse snitch
story.

Eric Watson was interviewed in June 2011. Right around the time that Amy Teneyck was also interviewed (maybe May and June) and her home was searched. By the way, YGaiter is Teneyck's boyfriend now. He was interviewed and polygraphed, I think. And Sam was not brought into it until September 2011?

From reading here at Mock, I found reason to believe that Williams was on the radar as early as March 2011.

YG Polygraph report Miranda Waiver & Consent re: 3/16/11 exam of YG
Exact same thing for ZB same day.

It looks me like LE had word on YG TenEyck's new man pretty early on!

(07-28-2012, 09:21 PM)RedCloud Wrote: Here's a bit of encouraging 'news' from the 'street' here in the south end of Toledo:

(We know how moronic these hoodrats are, SO....) Cameo is free; Sam got found guilty because of a snitch. NONE of the hoodrats read, they may have seen a TV report (and you can imagine "How" they watch TV news -after 2 seconds they start talking about it rather than keep watching)

1+1= 3 ! (or maybe 4 ) Cam snitched on Sam to save his ass.

REALLY need a "Like" button for this one!! LOL

(07-28-2012, 10:08 PM)pspence Wrote:

(07-27-2012, 11:40 PM)dontbedumb Wrote: Is it just a coincidence that Maytee thought that there was "probably" a third person in the home??? I went back to the beginning.

Although the coroner said it is unlikely the couple were drugged, Mrs. Vasquez-Clarke said she "doesn't believe that for a second." She said a third person was probably in the Longacre Lane home and perhaps slipped the drugs into the couple's drinks because taking prescription drugs was "out of character for both of them. They didn't take prescription drugs."

M

Oh ppplllleeeeaaazzzeee

Yeah please, was Maytee's statement made after the tox reports were published? Was she simply, crazily trying to refute those reports? Hello, reality bites! Live with it, and care enough about JUSTICE for Johnny and Lisa to tell the truth, or STFU!

(07-28-2012, 10:28 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(07-28-2012, 09:27 PM)Adub Wrote:

(07-28-2012, 08:21 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: I always thought that Er was like saying "ummm" or "uhhh" when you
pause in a sentence. Upon re-reading it, Im wondering if Sam wasnt
about to say Eric, and decided against warning him too...just to warn
Cameo only.
Isnt that something. We need to look into this Eric guy.
What was his last name? He came up in the jailhouse snitch
story.

Eric Q Taylor was interviewed in June 2011. Right around the time that Amy Teneyck was also interviewed (maybe May and June) and her home was searched. By the way, YGaiter (YG) is Teneyck's boyfriend now. He was interviewed and polygraphed, I think. And Sam was not brought into it until September 2011?

From reading here at Mock, I found reason to believe that Williams was on the radar as early as March 2011.

YG Polygraph report Miranda Waiver & Consent re: 3/16/11 exam of YG
Exact same thing for ZB same day.

It looks me like LE had word on YG TenEyck's new man pretty early on!

Dang, and I went off on a tangent thinking that YG was a relative of Maytee's by the same initials. I'm going to have to dwell on this awhile.

(07-28-2012, 10:02 PM)Adub Wrote: Oopsie! I meant Eric Taylor (ET).

That figures about 1+1 = 3. But I'm sure the tard will get it all straightened out. With the help of Jermaine maybe. I wonder who he is living with? Which baby momma is going to take him in? I know baby momma #1 is out. So is it baby momma #2 or #3?

double post...sorry.

(07-28-2012, 11:03 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(07-28-2012, 10:02 PM)Adub Wrote: Oopsie! I meant Eric Taylor (ET).

That figures about 1+1 = 3. But I'm sure the tard will get it all straightened out. With the help of Jermaine maybe. I wonder who he is living with? Which baby momma is going to take him in? I know baby momma #1 is out. So is it baby momma #2 or #3?

From what I was able to see on FB, on Kenyatta's page, its the one that
has a baby Cam. Cant recall her name. Look on the pic of Kenyatta and
Cam together that she has as her headliner photo, in her photo albums.

HOLEEEEE SHIT!
I just spent pretty much my whole Saturday catching up on this case, from the beginning of the trials here. First I would like to say a huge THANK YOU to Mustang, justme, Older Than Dirt and Yourotherleft for your OUTSTANDING first-hand commentary and reports. I've just been taken on a roller coaster ride of ups and downs.. just needed my popcorn & beer.

You know, I had a feeling that Cameo would walk. His case just was not nearly as strong as Sam's. Think about it, they only had the cig butt to go on with him. Not the jailhouse snitch, not the jail calls, NOTHING else! Unfortunately that really is not enough to go on. I feel like that trial got screwed though, they should have allowed that information but I guess I can see why they did not.

What bugs me the most is this Eric (Taylor?) guy. Just WHERE did Yingling come up with that name, he didn't pull it out of his ass? It had to have come from Sam, and I believe Yingling's story. Sure Eric's DNA wasn't found on any of the items used in the crime, but neither were Sam & Cam's (other than the cig butt but I am only referring to items used in the crime i.e. the duct tape). Is Alex C also know to Eric Taylor (sorry I dont remember reading about that)? Again seems like Alex is the link, but I don't think she was there. I think she did send the henchmen there though. None of Johnny or Lisa's friends/family knew WTF those people were... only Alexandria does. She also admits to never having introduced them to Johnny. So I think back on that phone call with Tiffany. Johnny saying "who the fuck are you?" remember he does not know Sam/Cam. He does know Alex which is why I don't think she was there, because I'm sure he would have addressed her first or at some point. Bottom line is it was only people that were not known to him.

I really do believe Sam & Cam were there, as well as Eric Taylor, another unknown male and the unknown female. Who was the unknown female exactly? Amy T? I read that the detective took DNA from every female they questioned so I assume they did check her out. Seems so weird that there is a female out there that no one has suspected/identified. but find that female, and you will get your answers. For her DNA to be on Johnny's clothes AND the tape? It's not just merely a coincidence. Plus, they used SO much tape, I doubt they found the female DNA just on the surface of the duct tape, but from somewhere in the middle of the roll as it was being used. This is the only part I question Yingling on though, since he only mentions Sam, Cam and Eric.

AUGH, maybe Cam being acquitted and Sam being convicted was the best thing that could happen. This may make Sam angry enough to roll on Cam and everyone else involved, also to avoid death. Question: If Sam rolls on Cam, I guess he can't be convicted right, but can he be subpoenaed to testify should they bring others to trial? Would he have to talk in court? Then he would have to defend himself in anything Sam may bring. I really think neither of them snitched because they didn't believe they'd be found guilty. It worked for Cam, not so much for Sam.. however now he just MAY snitch - you never know. But it will be the best thing to come out of this

Also, wow, did Maytee not testify?? crazy! I was really looking forward to that.

(07-28-2012, 10:33 PM)Adub Wrote:

(07-28-2012, 10:28 PM)NightOwl Wrote:

(07-28-2012, 09:27 PM)Adub Wrote:

(07-28-2012, 08:21 PM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: I always thought that Er was like saying "ummm" or "uhhh" when you
pause in a sentence. Upon re-reading it, Im wondering if Sam wasnt
about to say Eric, and decided against warning him too...just to warn
Cameo only.
Isnt that something. We need to look into this Eric guy.
What was his last name? He came up in the jailhouse snitch
story.

Eric Q Taylor was interviewed in June 2011. Right around the time that Amy Teneyck was also interviewed (maybe May and June) and her home was searched. By the way, YGaiter (YG) is Teneyck's boyfriend now. He was interviewed and polygraphed, I think. And Sam was not brought into it until September 2011?

From reading here at Mock, I found reason to believe that Williams was on the radar as early as March 2011.

YG Polygraph report Miranda Waiver & Consent re: 3/16/11 exam of YG
Exact same thing for ZB same day.

It looks me like LE had word on YG TenEyck's new man pretty early on!

Dang, and I went off on a tangent thinking that YG was a relative of Maytee's by the same initials. I'm going to have to dwell on this awhile.

There has been no family relatives that I know of with the initials YG given a Polygraph. If you find one that will be interesting.

IC must have been another unknown witnesses, possibly the one that changed his story.

When you say Er , that just slang talk for Or .

Did it ever come out at trial either one; I don't remember if it did. WHO told them there was a SAFE in the house? Why were they looking for something that wasn't there?

They both said they went there for a party a few days before that. That is why they said the cig. butt was there.
I went and looked at our box with the key in it also. There is no way of mistaken that it is where all the wires and backup battery is for our alarm.

(07-28-2012, 11:55 PM)gurl2323 Wrote: When you say Er , that just slang talk for Or .

In the context of that sentence, not so much.
Its like he starts to say someones name, then changes his mind,
and reiterates only Cam.

(07-29-2012, 12:02 AM)lucimhome Wrote: Did it ever come out at trial either one; I don't remember if it did. WHO told them there was a SAFE in the house? Why were they looking for something that wasn't there?

They both said they went there for a party a few days before that. That is why they said the cig. butt was there.
I went and looked at our box with the key in it also. There is no way of mistaken that it is where all the wires and backup battery is for our alarm.

Well I read in some report that the murderers thought that the safe contained heroin and $$$. If true, it would be safe to say that it was not the Straub's safe. Heroin? Nah, Johnny may have had a safe. Individuals that make their living dealing in illegal drugs often invest in a safe. Maytee said that there was a safe belonging to the Straubs. And the detectives said that was also a possible motive. Did the detectives get the info from Maytee? Verbosky said that the Straubs did not have a safe. Did Johnny have a safe? Did he take it with him when he was kicked out of the Danberry Street home? Since Maytee lies, we may never know.

(07-29-2012, 12:02 AM)lucimhome Wrote: Did it ever come out at trial either one; I don't remember if it did. WHO told them there was a SAFE in the house? Why were they looking for something that wasn't there?

They both said they went there for a party a few days before that. That is why they said the cig. butt was there.
I went and looked at our box with the key in it also. There is no way of mistaken that it is where all the wires and backup battery is for our alarm.

Its always been said that Johnny bragged about a safe being in the house.
I dont know if it was brought up in the course of the trial, but there have
been people on Mock that have said they were told, and it was the word
on the street, that Johnny had bragged about one being there full of cash
(US and foreign currency).

(07-29-2012, 12:17 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote:

(07-29-2012, 12:02 AM)lucimhome Wrote: Did it ever come out at trial either one; I don't remember if it did. WHO told them there was a SAFE in the house? Why were they looking for something that wasn't there?

They both said they went there for a party a few days before that. That is why they said the cig. butt was there.
I went and looked at our box with the key in it also. There is no way of mistaken that it is where all the wires and backup battery is for our alarm.

Its always been said that Johnny bragged about a safe being in the house.
I dont know if it was brought up in the course of the trial, but there have
been people on Mock that have said they were told, and it was the word
on the street, that Johnny had bragged about one being there full of cash
(US and foreign currency).

Yes. He told people there was a safe. THERE IS NOT. The key was to the alarm. They thought they could figure out where the safe was by looking at the alarm paper work. They figured it was hooked up to the alarm. They did not know them and were not at a party at the house. It was from the night of the murders. So unless you think the evil Holland police got their hands on a butt that those 2 idiots smoked and decided to set up some trash they had never heard of........ the "boys" were there that night.

The only person I can remember saying there was a safe was Maytee. That is why I thought she had something to do with it. I remember her telling the police about the safe. Maybe she heard it from Johnny.
I didn't know that drug dealers have a safe. Maybe they seen it when they where at the party. But it didn't belong to Johnny or Lisa and they mistaken that it did.

Sam called someone we both know, when he was arrested and told them that he was innocent. He said he was at the party a few days before the murders. That when he and Cam and the girl that took him there left that they were alive. He said they all was telling the same story. He was at that time trying to reassure the person on the phone that he didn't do it.

JustSayin I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE INNOCENT!
I have had everyone I know read the 8 page motion with the conversations from Sam. There is no question what so ever after reading that anyone would think he didn't do it.