Ever been to Atlanta? I imagine Chicago to be just like that, too.

One walks and one doesn't. I bet Sam had that biggest "WTF" face.

luci wtf are you on?

Why do you keep claiming Sam told someone known to you that he was at the party. That makes no sense. He obviously told his lawyers and Cam himself that he didn't know Johnny/Lisa and had never been to the home.
If it were true and he had been at the party, wouldn't it be in his best interest to say that as part of his testimony? That would explain how a cig butt with his DNA would be there. Just doesn't make sense that he would tell a regular joe off the streets that he was at the party and say something completely different in a trial where he can be put to death! Come on now.

as for the safe, it's been said numerous times that Johnny bragged about one (even though one did not exist). I'm sure he was just trying to impress people. Unfortunately it was the beginning of the end for him.BTW, I think word got around because of Alexandria Cousino. Again, she's the only one that knows both Johnny/Lisa AND Sam/Cameo. She's the one that was pissed at Johnny over money (for the car), maybe even mad at Lisa for not paying the full price for Gotti. SHE is the one that goes apeshit on people that owe her money by some accounts on here. Seems like she is always desperate for money.. and I bet SHE is the one that was made aware of this non-existent safe because of Johnny's big mouth. I feel it in my gut that she is the one that sent those people to the house that night. I'm sure she wanted her money and to scare/hurt them. I still don't know if they meant to kill them. Anywho... I'm just seriously hoping the truth comes out soon, and I pray that SAM tells all. He has nothing to lose anymore.

Wow, that was fast, re: Jermaine's party.
how low is that. maybe give the victim's family time to process this before throwing your little celebration?
Good God... so tacky. and WHY even try and act like this is some sort of mission to clean up the streets when we ALL know that retard Cameo is going to go right back to the only thing he knows.

(07-29-2012, 09:40 AM)lucimhome Wrote:

(07-29-2012, 03:26 AM)imsuchawildflower Wrote: What shes saying, is that Johnny talked about something that was NOT in the Straub home. The safe.
He didnt talk about what WAS in their home.

Thanks I got it.

Let me put it this way......Johnny was playing "big man on campus". To him and his friends the Straubs are rich. (Both have jobs! LOL) He was living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood and bragged about it. However, he embellished the story and said that the nurse & truck driver (Straubs) had a safe with a shit load of cash. I have no idea why just dumb ghetto talk I suppose.

(07-29-2012, 11:57 AM)Cracker Wrote: You people in Toledo are more fucked up than people in ATL. We don't even let the black ones walk here (that was meant figuratively, black people walk all the time around here if they can't keep up with the car payment AND having their "hair did").

Don't forget 'M A R T A', (Moving Africans Rapidly Thru Atlanta)

(07-28-2012, 05:40 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I'm not even going to pretend that I understand some of this. Did someone not do their job right? I "get" that the evidence wasn't there but why was one found guilty & the other wasn't? Was it simply the jail house phone call?

Sure appears so. Other than the calls, it was the exact same case presented by prosecutors.

Quote:He'll never be able to live his life in the free manner that we do. There is honor among thieves & justice will be done. For a year & a half I've read about this crew & the code they live by. If he sees it coming he will be scared out of his mind.

I'm not so sure about that, Duchess. Getting away with murder seems like something that would be admired among street thugs. I also don't understand why people thing someone like Williams will be subject to any 'special' (bad) treatment in prison. I mean, who else is in prison? People just like him - murderers, rapists, abusers, thieves.

aftermath thread:

http://mockforums.net/thread-8617.html

(07-29-2012, 01:16 PM)ZEROSPHERES Wrote:

(07-29-2012, 11:57 AM)Cracker Wrote: You people in Toledo are more fucked up than people in ATL. We don't even let the black ones walk here (that was meant figuratively, black people walk all the time around here if they can't keep up with the car payment AND having their "hair did").

Don't forget 'M A R T A', (Moving Africans Rapidly Thru Atlanta)

I was following the case from the very beginning. I wasn't posting much, but I was checking this forum everyday. I just want to say HUGE thanks to Mustang, justme, OTD and Yourotherleft for all the reporting and to LC for keeping this case alive - you guys are awesome

(07-29-2012, 09:16 AM)fabulous Wrote: It's disgusting to me as well. Their son is a known drug dealer...all around thug... And they are holding this type of 'picnic'...it's a total mockery!

It's absolutely disgusting & a total mockery! Right on fabulous!

(07-28-2012, 11:06 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: HOLEEEEE SHIT!


What bugs me the most is this Eric (Taylor?) guy. Just WHERE did Yingling come up with that name, he didn't pull it out of his ass? It had to have come from Sam, and I believe Yingling's story. Sure Eric's DNA wasn't found on any of the items used in the crime, but neither were Sam & Cam's (other than the cig butt but I am only referring to items used in the crime i.e. the duct tape). Is Alex C also know to Eric Taylor (sorry I dont remember reading about that)? Again seems like Alex is the link, but I don't think she was there. I think she did send the henchmen there though. None of Johnny or Lisa's friends/family knew WTF those people were... only Alexandria does. She also admits to never having introduced them to Johnny. So I think back on that phone call with Tiffany. Johnny saying "who the fuck are you?" remember he does not know Sam/Cam. He does know Alex which is why I don't think she was there, because I'm sure he would have addressed her first or at some point. Bottom line is it was only people that were not known to him.

Yes, I believe Yingling story also did, you catch he stated Sam was going over to rob Johnny of cash & heroin. Heroin is flooding into Toledo, there have been many Heroin busts, I believe the Blade had an article about a Heroin bust January 2011. Just from reading, this crap is coming in from Mexico. If someone wanted to rob them of cash and Heroin why would they go when Johnny and Lisa were there? Johnny would not be hauling a pile of cash and heroin in his car. Did Johnny or Lisa double cross some one that we are unaware of? there is something we are missing here! these were desperate thugs that did this, doesn't matter to me if it's marijuana, heroin, pills or cocaine these were desperate thugs that tortured this couple. As you said above "bottom line it was people not known to him or Lisa." What do you think of Yingling's statement?

Just an odd thought.....the Straubs say they did not have a safe, I believe them. I didn't realize it, but read here that drug dealers often do. So what if there was a safe and it was taken at the time of the murders? Perhaps Maytee even knew about it and that was the reason she brought it up....follow me....she knew what was in it and wanted to place ownership on the Straubs right away so to protect Johnny's rep or possibly keep her butt covered in the event it turned up. No evidence to support this but just a weird question that came to mind.

Re mileage on Johnny's car, i don't remember reading what year model it was. If it was older vehicle, the odometer could have been
set back to read 30,000 miles so as to piss off Ms. AC even more
when she realized it had many more miles on it. I know this has been
hashed and rehashed, but i think any good detective tries to establish
motive, opportunity,etc.

(07-29-2012, 12:24 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: as for the safe, it's been said numerous times that Johnny bragged about one (even though one did not exist). I'm sure he was just trying to impress people. Unfortunately it was the beginning of the end for him.BTW, I think word got around because of Alexandria Cousino. Again, she's the only one that knows both Johnny/Lisa AND Sam/Cameo. She's the one that was pissed at Johnny over money (for the car), maybe even mad at Lisa for not paying the full price for Gotti. SHE is the one that goes apeshit on people that owe her money by some accounts on here. Seems like she is always desperate for money.. and I bet SHE is the one that was made aware of this non-existent safe because of Johnny's big mouth. I feel it in my gut that she is the one that sent those people to the house that night. I'm sure she wanted her money and to scare/hurt them. I still don't know if they meant to kill them. Anywho... I'm just seriously hoping the truth comes out soon, and I pray that SAM tells all. He has nothing to lose anymore.

Miss Conspiracy, your posts are awesome! keep them coming! I agree with you Johnny was just trying to impress his friends that's all. I thought friends of Johnny's testified that he liked to brag but, I don't know if those friends stated anything about a safe. From The Blade "Several of Clarke's friends said that Clarke was known to brag about money when he had it, and other things that he had." I think the safe is more heresay. The only person with a grudge is Cousino a grudge over the car and a grudge over the money owed on Gotti the pitbull puppy. Cousino may have spread some spiteful rumours around about Johnny and Lisa having cash and heroin, I wouldn't be surprised if she has been to Longacre Lane due to the fact Lisa purchased a puppy from her, so she knew the layout of the home IMO. Yes, that's right let's pray that Sam tells all.

(07-29-2012, 05:38 PM)timeout Wrote: Just an odd thought.....the Straubs say they did not have a safe, I believe them. I didn't realize it, but read here that drug dealers often do. So what if there was a safe and it was taken at the time of the murders? Perhaps Maytee even knew about it and that was the reason she brought it up....follow me....she knew what was in it and wanted to place ownership on the Straubs right away so to protect Johnny's rep or possibly keep her butt covered in the event it turned up. No evidence to support this but just a weird question that came to mind.

Good point! A mini safe from Walmart

(07-29-2012, 05:37 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Yes, I believe Yingling story also did, you catch he stated Sam was going over to rob Johnny of cash & heroin. Heroin is flooding into Toledo, there have been many Heroin busts, I believe the Blade had an article about a Heroin bust January 2011. Just from reading, this crap is coming in from Mexico. If someone wanted to rob them of cash and Heroin why would they go when Johnny and Lisa were there? Johnny would not be hauling a pile of cash and heroin in his car. Did Johnny or Lisa double cross some one that we are unaware of? there is something we are missing here! these were desperate thugs that did this, doesn't matter to me if it's marijuana, heroin, pills or cocaine these were desperate thugs that tortured this couple. As you said above "bottom line it was people not known to him or Lisa." What do you think of Yingling's statement?

Hi Night Owl!
I think the reason they did that while Johnny & Lisa were there, was for a few reasons: 1) I firmly believe they were sent by Alexandria Cousino, and I think she wanted to send them a message. I do believe they had the intentions of "roughing them up" or scaring them, maybe not killing them, but on that I'm not sure about. The reason I don't believe they intended to kill them is that they only went there with duct tape and not the bags. I think they wanted to tie them up and 'torture' them for info. I think somewhere along the lines things got out of hand and they used bags from the home that ended up killing them. 2) I think that they were also after the safe. maybe Sam did not mention that to Yingling but he did say "cash" and I'm sure that by that he meant the cash kept in a safe. That was also evident in the fact that the key was at the crime scene, I think they did believe that key had some sort of tie-in to the safe. They had to do the robbery while they were present so they could get the information to them as to where the safe was and how to open it. Did they double cross someone? Yes probably. But it was not Sam or Cameo directly, because I do not think they knew them. maybe somehow indirectly they did. (maybe just maybe the fact they they double crossed Alex C. led to her not having money for Sam/Cam... so she led them to where they can score their money and drugs while they were at it).

Also I wanted to touch a little bit more on Yingling. I read some people saying he could have easily googled the information and known details about the case (re: iraqi dinar, cig butt etc) however, that seems super unlikely to me. What are the chances that this guy was at home getting all kinds of details about this case, for what? it's not like he knew that he was going to end up in jail with Sam or Cam and -just in case- wanted to gather information about the crime in the event that some time in the future he'd be locked up with one of them and he could use the info to get a deal?? lol.. yeah right! This guys is actually putting his ass on the line for this.

(07-29-2012, 12:46 AM)Adub Wrote: It would be sweet to know who Johnny bragged to about a safe. Sure, I have heard that he did. But just who did he brag to? Seems to be rather pertinent information to me. But hey, Williams was found guilty and will be sentenced on Monday . And Maytee was not asked to take the stand.

From The Blade "Several of Clarke's friends said that Clarke was known to brag about money when he had it, and other things that he had."

This testimony from the trial Toledo Blade above, I see no mention of a safe and I believe the Blade wouldn't leave that part out.

(07-29-2012, 08:45 AM)Duchess Wrote:

That is revolting to me. I have read over & over again that their son is a known drug dealer. I think they would have been better served handing out contraceptives instead of hotdogs.

How many illegitimate children has the tard fathered?

As an aside, do two tards produce another tard?

(07-29-2012, 12:28 PM)Miss Conspiracy Wrote: Wow, that was fast, re: Jermaine's party.
how low is that. maybe give the victim's family time to process this before throwing your little celebration?
Good God... so tacky. and WHY even try and act like this is some sort of mission to clean up the streets when we ALL know that retard Cameo is going to go right back to the only thing he knows.

You are exactly right...Friday am, he had a new facebook page. When I
checked it out, he had 19 friends at the time...and checking all that were
completely or partially public, you could see via photos, posts and
"other shit" that none of them were up to any good. Including gang
activity...and some even having those same assinine photos that
Cameo had on his fb prior to being arrested.
Yeah, I bet hes already re-connected with his old life to make some money.
I also bet hell be gunned down in the streets as revenge, but it will just be
be called "cost of doing business" in the business he has chosen...
When you live by the gun, you die by the gun.

(07-29-2012, 05:38 PM)timeout Wrote: Just an odd thought.....the Straubs say they did not have a safe, I believe them. I didn't realize it, but read here that drug dealers often do. So what if there was a safe and it was taken at the time of the murders? Perhaps Maytee even knew about it and that was the reason she brought it up....follow me....she knew what was in it and wanted to place ownership on the Straubs right away so to protect Johnny's rep or possibly keep her butt covered in the event it turned up. No evidence to support this but just a weird question that came to mind.

Hmmm..DEFINITELY something to think about...