A little update on the witness 8 nonsense:

O'Mara: Fine prosecutors for hiding witness lies

George Zimmerman's attorneys on Monday formally accused prosecutors of being unethical, saying that for seven months, they hid a pair of lies by their most important witness, and that they should be punished for it.

The allegations, spelled out in a new court pleading, mark a new low in the case.

Defense attorneys Mark O'Mara and Don West have complained for months about Assistant State Attorneys Bernie de la Rionda and John Guy, saying they have refused repeated requests to turn over key pieces of evidence. This time, they've asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to fine and admonish them.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loca...5704.story

"The paperwork also reveals that the young Miami woman was sitting next to Trayvon Martin's mother when she was interviewed by Crump March 19 and by de la Rionda April 2.

That's the reason she lied about going to the hospital and missing Trayvon's wake and funeral, according to the pleading.

The fact that Trayvon's mother was sitting next to her, possibly influencing her during that sworn statement April 2 with de la Rionda "places the legitimacy and veracity of the entire statement at issue," O'Mara wrote."

She needs to be tossed as do de la Rionda and Guy.

Giving statements while in the presence of the victim's Mom? Gimme an effin' break!

But, but, but everyone keeps telling me witness 8 isn't going to matter to the case...

That's really shoddy police work.

(03-26-2013, 10:25 AM)Jimbone Wrote: But, but, but everyone keeps telling me witness 8 isn't going to matter to the case...

I'm glad that O'Mara finally deposed her.

Based on what I've read from her, I think she's slow. I can't tell what she really heard on the phone or if she was influenced.

There are no eyewitnesses as to who started the altercation. Only this Witness 8 ear witness to Travyon's perception of what was going on before it went down, and people nearby who heard or saw Travyon and Zimmerman during or after the altercation.

Every witness's credibility will be questioned, as usual. I don't know who's saying that Witness 8 isn't important to the case; remains to be seen, imo. She could be very important, both sides are focused on her. If she's called, it's not clear to me that she'll help or hurt either side, I don't think she's a strong witness based on what I've read.

If she's called, I think that she might get ripped apart during cross and be rendered irrelevant if she's not clear or firm in what she heard. If that happens, it could ultimately hurt the prosecution.

IDK. Zimmerman and his brother did media interviews and his team has been heavy with social media regarding the case. Crump interviewed DeeDee for the media. I'm more interested in their testimony on the stand.

Here's the audio of the girlfriend, not a smart girl.

http://beforeitsnews.com/crime-all-stars...46150.html

According to her story, Trayvon never answered when Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there. Why? That would be the normal thing to do.

Another version: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/18/i_...ed_trayvon

She's illiterate.

In the other audio track, she didn't say the phone shut off, she said she heard someone say "Get off" and that "It could have been Trayvon." She knew who said every other sentence except that one? And why did the liberal media place cut that part out of the tape?

And the part about "I'm not going to run": he didn't say he was tired, SHE said he was tired, he just said he wasn't going to run. That means he was going to fight. You know black people can play some basketball for more than one quarter.

If she would have really been scared for his safety, why didn't she call his parents? Why didn't they know he was in danger/dead?

I think she'll hurt his case more than help it. Like I told ramsey about her new business idea, having a retard on your side isn't a good thing.

(03-26-2013, 05:48 PM)Cracker Wrote: Here's the audio of the girlfriend, not a smart girl.

http://beforeitsnews.com/crime-all-stars...46150.html

According to her story, Trayvon never answered when Zimmerman asked him what he was doing there. Why? That would be the normal thing to do.

She does sound black.

And what about what the black girl said about hearing the words "get off, get off" ?

(03-26-2013, 06:34 PM)Cracker Wrote: She's illiterate.

I'm listening to her, now.

You're kind.

If she was white, she'd be tagged as an inbred Hillbilly.

Since she's black, she's "grief stricken".

Fucking mush-mouth mumblers.

(03-26-2013, 06:39 PM)Adub Wrote: And what about what the black girl said about hearing the words "get off, get off" ?

I think black people hear that all the time. They are rapers. (Yes, I know the real word, rapers is funnier.)

I already addressed that. She said "It COULD have been Trayvon." That's what black people say when they are lying. I know this from repeated observation.

(03-26-2013, 06:40 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(03-26-2013, 06:34 PM)Cracker Wrote: She's illiterate.

I'm listening to her, now.

You're kind.

If she was white, she'd be tagged as an inbred Hillbilly.

Since she's black, she's "grief stricken".

Fucking mush-mouth mumblers.

She's a retard. Kinda blows the Trayvon-as-a-soon-to-be-college-man image. They are all hoodrats.

(03-26-2013, 06:34 PM)Cracker Wrote: Another version: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/5/18/i_...ed_trayvon

She's illiterate.

In the other audio track, she didn't say the phone shut off, she said she heard someone say "Get off" and that "It could have been Trayvon." She knew who said every other sentence except that one? And why did the liberal media place cut that part out of the tape?

And the part about "I'm not going to run": he didn't say he was tired, SHE said he was tired, he just said he wasn't going to run. That means he was going to fight. You know black people can play some basketball for more than one quarter.

If she would have really been scared for his safety, why didn't she call his parents? Why didn't they know he was in danger/dead?

I think she'll hurt his case more than help it. Like I told ramsey about her new business idea, having a retard on your side isn't a good thing.

Some racists blogs theorize that DeeDee encouraged Trayvon to beat down on Zimmerman. And that is why she is feeling guilty. Could be. But, we will never know the truth because Zimmerman is a big fat liar.

And evidently, he has something to hide. And he is soon to be on trial for Murder 2.

Bottom line is Zimmerman should not have been chasing after Trayvon for leisurely walking about, and skipping off into the darkness.

(03-26-2013, 06:52 PM)Adub Wrote: Some racists blogs theorize that DeeDee encouraged Trayvon to beat down on Zimmerman. And that is why she is feeling guilty. Could be. But, we will never know the truth because Zimmerman is a big fat liar.

No.

We will never know because that would be a conversation between DeeDee and Trayvon . . . NOT Zimmerman.

She hasn't mentioned it and he ain't available for comment.

She told the police she was 16. She was really 18 at the time. Why lie about that? Because she's a liar, that's why.

(03-26-2013, 06:52 PM)Adub Wrote: Bottom line is Zimmerman should not have been chasing after Trayvon for leisurely walking about, and skipping off into the darkness.

That's bullshit, Adub, and you know it. Neighborhood Watch CAN and SHOULD follow unknown suspects, especially if they run off when you see them and don't answer when they ask why you are in their neighborhood. It was a high crime area.

Weak argument at best.

(03-26-2013, 07:01 PM)Cracker Wrote: She told the police she was 16. She was really 18 at the time. Why lie about that? Because she's a liar, that's why.

(03-26-2013, 06:52 PM)Adub Wrote: Bottom line is Zimmerman should not have been chasing after Trayvon for leisurely walking about, and skipping off into the darkness.

That's bullshit, Adub, and you know it. Neighborhood Watch CAN and SHOULD follow unknown suspects, especially if they run off when you see them and don't answer when they ask why you are in their neighborhood. It was a high crime area.

Weak argument at best.

George never said that he asked Trayvon anything. George never identified himself, according to George.

And it was not a high crime area. Not at all.

Timing is going to be a big problem for George. From the time that George exited his truck and the fatal gunshot was about 5 minutes. Where, or where did George go? George has said that he didn't follow Trayvon after the NE911 guy told him it was not neccesary, and George said 'Okay". But yet, George was still out and about? 5 minutes later? That is a big problem. And the defense knows it.

Witness 8 sounding like a young black girl? Not so much. Telling a white lie, that is immaterial to the night of Feb 26, as to why she didn't go to the funeral? Not so much.

And, the defense knows it.

Gotta love black people, DeeDee:

Around the time of the shooting


Day after he was shot





She wasn't his girlfriend. Why do black people lie about every damn thing? The rest of the mess: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1932261

(03-26-2013, 07:27 PM)Adub Wrote: Telling a white lie, that is immaterial to the night of Feb 26, as to why she didn't go to the funeral? Not so much.

And, the defense knows it.

White lie my ass. The whole thing is a lie, Adub. You should feel like an ass about now.

(03-26-2013, 07:01 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(03-26-2013, 06:52 PM)Adub Wrote: Some racists blogs theorize that DeeDee encouraged Trayvon to beat down on Zimmerman. And that is why she is feeling guilty. Could be. But, we will never know the truth because Zimmerman is a big fat liar.

No.

We will never know because that would be a conversation between DeeDee and Trayvon . . . NOT Zimmerman.

She hasn't mentioned it and he ain't available for comment.

And Zimmerman failed to identify himself and defuse the situation numerous times. He could have, instead of acting like he was the undercover man engaged in a routine surveillance operation.

And had Trayvon been a fucking coon/goon scoping out an opportunity to burglarize a home in the gated community, then he would have ran off into the sunset over the back fence.

George's imagination was fucking with him. Trayvon was no threat to the gated community. And George got it all wrong. He needs to be held accountable for his fucked up actions that night. He acted in a threating way to a young kid that had no clue who the stranger was that was surveilling him.


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(03-26-2013, 07:27 PM)Adub Wrote: And it was not a high crime area. Not at all.

WTF? It has a crime index of 4, 100 is safest: http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/sanford/crime/

(03-26-2013, 07:43 PM)Adub Wrote:

(03-26-2013, 07:01 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(03-26-2013, 06:52 PM)Adub Wrote: Some racists blogs theorize that DeeDee encouraged Trayvon to beat down on Zimmerman. And that is why she is feeling guilty. Could be. But, we will never know the truth because Zimmerman is a big fat liar.

No.

We will never know because that would be a conversation between DeeDee and Trayvon . . . NOT Zimmerman.

She hasn't mentioned it and he ain't available for comment.

And Zimmerman . . . blah . . . blah paragraph 1 . . . blah. . . blah paragraph 2 . . . blah . . . blah paragraph 3 . . . surveilling him.

Really?

All that rehash about Zimmerman when all I was did was address the skinhead bullshit about an alleged conversation between dumb nigger girl encouraging dumb nigger boy to throw a beat down on Zim.

You really think Zimmerman was a part of that conversation?

Fuckin' aye!

Even the Skittles are a lie. Trayvon's dad Tracy was still married to his mother. They split up a few weeks before he was killed. Tracy (Trayvon's dad) was already sleeping with another married woman who lived in that townhome with her 14 year old son. He wasn't Trayvon's brother. He wasn't watching an NBA game with his dad, the two boys were home alone. Tracy and his girlfriend were in Orlando having dinner.

Trayvon didn't just have the one brother, btw. His dad has four or five kids from different moms. Some younger than Trayvon (not Trayvon's mom's kids, other women, remember they were still married and had just split).

Why the Skittles?

"Trayvon, with his hoodie up, grabs two items from the shelves of 7-11. One is the Skittles. The other is Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. The media avoid the name of the real drink -- possibly because of the racial implications of the word "watermelon," but possibly to avoid probing the real reason for Trayon's trip.

Trayvon, in fact, had become a devotee of the druggy concoction known as "Lean," also known in southern hip-hop culture as "Sizzurp" and "Purple Drank." Lean consists of three basic ingredients -- codeine, a soft drink, and candy. If his Facebook postings are to be believed, Trayvon had been using Lean since at least June 2011.

On June 27, 2011, Trayvon asks a friend online, "unow a connect for codien?" He tells the friend that "robitussin nd soda" could make "some fire ass lean." He says, "I had it before" and that he wants "to make some more." On the night of February 26, if Brandy had some Robitussin at home, Trayvon had just bought the mixings for one "fire ass lean" cocktail."

Who even knows what to believe at this point.


Was Trayvon different than most of the other black American kids raised this way? Seeing as it was his third suspension that school year, I'm thinking probably not.