(03-25-2013, 07:54 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: Are witnesses who are waiting to take the stand allowed to watch this on TV or read the paper/internet before they're called to the stand?

It is my understanding that witnesses are not to follow the trial or confer with any other witness.

(03-25-2013, 08:02 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(03-25-2013, 07:54 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: Are witnesses who are waiting to take the stand allowed to watch this on TV or read the paper/internet before they're called to the stand?

It is my understanding that witnesses are not to follow the trial or confer with any other witness.

I'm glad I left myself that 5% wiggle room.

I just turned on the t.v. Gay and bad teeth were my first thoughts. Not that there's anything wrong with the gay part.

(03-25-2013, 07:58 PM)username Wrote: A talking head just speculated that she won't be trying to make the case that Jodi was battered. More, she'll be trying to use the voicemails, texts etc. to show that Travis displayed traits that are common among abusers. Hence the focus on her work with men, I suppose.

That makes sense. She'll use texts and emails to label the dead victim a "batterer", though I'll be surprised if she actually talked to anybody in his life besides Jodi. Why do that? What if everyone found Travis to be a decent guy and could dispute Jodi's claims? Too risky.

Since she can't make a case that Jodi was battered because the evidence just doesn't exist, she'll probably accuse the dead victim of being a batterer based on nothing but the killer's lies. In so doing, she's implying that Jodi was abused by Travis without having to defend that position.

Tiki posted upthread that, in Arizona, the burden is one the prosecution to prove that it wasn't self defense, not the other way around. Martinez is Travis's voice and I believe that he's sincerely passionate about defending Travis and getting the results that his family wants. I just hope he doesn't let that passion override his ability to be strategic and see things through the jury's eyes. That's what's worrying me a little bit.

Wow, $300 per hour to testify for LaViolette.

Aside from the texts and emails, I wonder how strongly she'll rely on the phone sex tape to try to characterize Travis as having demeaned Jodi and damaged her already low self-esteem.

Betting "sexual abuser" is something she'll hit hard.

I sure hope she doesn't try to paint Travis as having pedophilic traits; don't think she's qualified in that area and the pedophile bullshit conflicts with all of the other claims Jodi has made about Travis.

This witness is one expensive snooze-fest so far...

(03-26-2013, 02:01 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Wow, $300 per hour to testify for LaViolette.

At $300 / hour, she's mighty proud of that spreadsheet, too.

$250 per for research.

I'm hoping Martinez focuses on the fact that her "expert" opinion is based solely on the one-sided statements of a liar. One cannot ask for clarification from a dead man regarding his texts, emails and VMs.

You know . . . like the jury does with a witness.

I found it interesting when she was gettin' all folksy and blabbing about how she asks group members to recall traumatic experiences of abuse (physical/emotional - threats, injury, helplessness) from their past and what they did to cope.

Unlike Jodi, it seems these folks were able to recall and describe the event in its entirety. She's even used the term PTSD. Go figure!

Maybe I just misunderstood.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding too.

LaViolette is talking about her experience with intimate partners and families. I have no doubt she knows what she's talking about and that her (published!) continuum chart is fine.

BUT, Travis and Jodi dated for a few months. Then, they occasionally had sex after both had agreed to move on and date others. Jodi lived hundreds of miles away from Travis when she killed him.

Their relationship doesn't even meet the criteria for LaVioltette's evaluation, imo. This such a damn farce.

So, Jodi wanted more than Travis and more than she admitted to him? That's not abuse, it's disappointment. For a sociopath, it's rejection and not allowed. That's the only reason Travis is dead.

Not only did Jodi not try to get away from Travis, she kept initiating contact and traveled to see him. When it comes to sex, she encouraged it and him, even over the phone from hundreds of miles away when they had no partner relationship.

IDK, it's getting to me a little today how Travis is being being so maligned by innuendo (as a precursor to direct accusations) and Jodi is being positioned as the victim. It's so 'effin ludicrous.

Martinez will no doubt be able to make some good points on cross. He'll be able to ask LaViolette questions about Jodi's behavior and actions and ask her if those would meet the criteria for abuse. Big fat "yes"s. I hope he does it very clearly and effectively.

P.s. all of these examples LaViolette keeps giving - on and on. $300 per hour; wonder what that translates into per word?

(03-26-2013, 04:55 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding too.

This such a damn farce.

To experience ANY of the abuse precursors, all one need do is answer in the affirmative to leading questions.

It's a perception based and not necessarily a fact based diagnosis.

You're right! She drones on and on about lengthy relationships and yet, as you stated, this is not the case with Arias and Alexander.

Reruns of Bob Newhart provide greater insight to the human psyche than this woman's trip down memory lane.

She gives me the heebie jeebies.

Now she's praising and quoting Dr. Amen's work with female brains and empathy: ". . . if victims have empathy they'll stay in the relationship longer . . . "

His was one of the shows highlighted during our recent PBS beg-a-thon.

His latest: Unleash the Power of the Female Brain

The elderly and ADD (children and adults) have been his bread and butter.

Side note - It's wonderful to talk about feelings. It's nice to get and send cards expressing feelings. I'm glad she has workshops to share and express feelings.

Do sociopaths have feelings/empathy for others?

"I get so much more information from the survivor than the perpetrator."

Considering the alleged perp is dead . . .

Ain't this just a lucky break for you.

From a tweet by a local reporter in the gallery:

"LaViolette says women often say psychological and emotional abuse are worse for them than physical abuse."

That's because they're still alive to tell about it.

I wonder if Jodi felt the physical abuse was worse?

I mean, the whole "fearing for my life" had to be a physical thing . . . right?

Or was it the "anal sex DOES make your ass look fat" quip that tore her up inside?

(03-26-2013, 05:28 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: Reruns of Bob Newhart provide greater insight to the human psyche than this woman's trip down memory lane.

If she had red hair and was funny, she could pass for Carol Kester! (love that show)

It feels like LaViolette is teaching a class, all basics for anyone who reads and has ever done any crisis volunteer work. I haven't learned anything from her day and a half on the stand; betting the jury members haven't either.

P.s. I think the hole in the head was just Jodi's way of leveling the playing field. 3 hole wonders...

(03-26-2013, 05:47 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: His was one of the shows highlighted during our recent PBS beg-a-thon.

Side note - It's wonderful to talk about feelings. It's nice to get and send cards expressing feelings. I'm glad she has workshops to share and express feelings.

I pushed one of Dr. Amen's books and video programs too; KQED pledge drive here a couple of years ago. I thought it was kinda funny when LaViolette mentioned research via watching Dr. Oz. $225 billed for watching that show, I guess. Samuels's charge for reading Time Magazine in the john was a comparative bargain!

I'd tell you how I really feel about that, but you know.

(03-26-2013, 07:10 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: "I get so much more information from the survivor than the perpetrator."

Considering the alleged perp is dead . . .

Ain't this just a lucky break for you.

Yep, victimizing the victim who can't speak for himself. Verbal abuse, imo. If she believes Jodi Arias, she's extremely gullible. If she doesn't and she agreed to this gig anyway, it's disgraceful.

I missed some big chunks of testimony today and still really missed nothing; she's still kinda in the same place. Memory lane and DV 101. If this is as direct as she's gonna get, I don't think the jury will connect her vague generalities to Travis and Jodi. Maybe tomorrow she'll get more specific. Frustrating.

Listening to LaViolette speak on the stand yesterday was informative on human interactions in general, I do not think the jury is being swayed in Jodi's favor by any of LaViolettes experiences in counseling people over the years. Perhaps they are looking at their own experiences and learning from her. Having been verbally and emotionally abused as a child, I know that some do grow up and break those cycles. Even if as LaViolette speaks about, that some keep it hidden from everyone, and continue those behaviors seen as a child, I keep thinking back to a few weeks before Jodi murdered Travis, when she was secretly taping their phone conversation, Travis in NO WAY was abusive to Jodi and she was constantly trying to take him down "memory...."all the different sex we have had"...lane....Even asking him to repeat himself if she did not think his answers from questions SHE asked him were understood on her secret recording....if you listen to it....she asks him a few times..."What did you say".....I think she intended to blackmail him someway....perhaps she was going to threaten to let the bishop listen to it.....or post it somewhere.....Nothing Jodi did, did not have an underlying motive.....Travis had a good heart...enjoyed sex with Jodi....and was not abusive as the defense is claiming.....I know the Prosecutor will leave the jurors with more to think about after he gets to question LaViolette.

(03-27-2013, 09:05 AM)Barbara Wrote: ...I think she intended to blackmail him someway....perhaps she was going to threaten to let the bishop listen to it.....or post it somewhere.....Nothing Jodi did, did not have an underlying motive.....Travis had a good heart...enjoyed sex with Jodi....and was not abusive as the defense is claiming.....I know the Prosecutor will leave the jurors with more to think about after he gets to question LaViolette.

I think Jodi blackmailed men a lot; maybe not always for money, but for control. JMO based on her relationship history and actions testified to in court.

LaViolette has the background to make a solid expert witness and I can see her being a fine teacher/speaker to the right audience. Frustrating that her expertise and lecture doesn't fit or apply to this defendant or this jury, imo. Legitimate abuse and DV are serious issues; hate to see anybody falsely claim to have been victims of such as an excuse for committing crimes (and then have experts in their fields attempting to lend credence to those false claims). But, everyone deserves a far trial, so...

I think LaViolette may end up helping the Prosecution more than the Defense by the end of cross-examination.

Guess we'll have to wait and see where she goes with her expert testimony. Heard on HLN that court was cancelled today. Wonder what the hell is going on; must be major to delay the trial by a full day when it's already crawling along.

No trial today . . . cancelled.

I understand there was a hearing as to disclosing the costs of the trial.

Maybe something more at noon.

(03-27-2013, 02:32 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: No trial today . . . cancelled.

I understand there was a hearing as to disclosing the costs of the trial.

Maybe something more at noon.

This trial is never gonna end.

Getting close to $1 million already spent on the likes of Jodi Ann Arias. It still blows me away.

Oh well, maybe the Arias verdict will be in before Zimmerman's trial starts?

(03-27-2013, 02:36 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Getting close to $1 million already spent on the likes of Jodi Ann Arias.

My tax dollars.

How's that for PrePaid Legal?

(03-27-2013, 02:44 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(03-27-2013, 02:36 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Getting close to $1 million already spent on the likes of Jodi Ann Arias.

My tax dollars.

How's that for PrePaid Legal?

It's outrageous. I'm sure Arias is even more popular in Arizona than the rest of the country.

Think of all the Obama phones that could have been funded instead.

Jodi's level of entitlement is setting records. She knows the secret...

(03-27-2013, 03:02 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Think of all the Obama phones

Anymore shots of her gaping anus coming up, or have that finished that part?

This is REALLLLLLLY dragging on too long. Give it to the jury already... I swear they are going to not convict out of spite.

Jane Velez-Mitchell is reporting that Jodi's friend (Donovan) has told her that court was cancelled due to Jodi having a migraine. Donovan also says Jodi doesn't feel well because she is being woken up too early for court, at 1 a.m.

JVM or somebody on her panel said that's not the case. The Estrella jail reports that the inmates are woken up between 3 am and 5 am. Jail staff has to feed the inmates who have court that day, do headcounts, process paperwork...and get them all to the courthouse in time for the inmate with the earliest start time (not a taxi service; they all go from jail to court together regardless of when their individual trials/hearings/appearances start).

Pretty standard stuff, AFAIK. Jodi can sleep while she's in a holding cell at the court. I think this is more Jodi bullshit (though most of the lawyers on JVM's panel think it's legit).

More interestingly, JVM confirms that LaViolette is prohibited from testifying directly about Travis Alexander, based upon a judge's order stemming from a hearing back in August. I wasn't aware of that. It explains why LaViolette is simply giving a tutorial and throwing out all of her folksy anecdotes and the irrelevant personal experiences of her other clients.

No other details given about the judge's order on the show; didn't get any relevant internet search results. If anyone's found the judge's order pertaining to LaViolette or knows more, TIA.