(07-14-2013, 09:14 AM)ramseycat Wrote: I saw that story too and thought Wtf? She should have killed him and claimed self defense.

I know, any law that punishes you for firing a warning shot into a wall but doesn't punish you for shooting and killing someone is really fucked up in my opinion.

(07-14-2013, 08:38 AM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:

(07-13-2013, 10:16 PM)username Wrote: Ohhh, you skeered me! Bang! You're dead.

Everyone with a gun is fucking James Bond now.

More like Steve Urkel packing heat.

I think once the jurors took "deranged mind - intent to kill" out of the equation and ruled out Murder 2, they had some very murky and defendant-friendly laws to consider.

The various Stand Your Ground laws across the country have always been controversial; some states that were considering such statutes failed to adopt them when this case hit the media. IDK if states with current SYG laws will consider revising them or not, but I hope so.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn from jurors that the defense essentially won this case by proactively addressing what I always considered the big hole in George's self defense claim; the "reasonableness" of his actions.

It won't surprise me if it turns out that the jury spent little time focusing on trying to determine who was the initial aggressor and whether George Zimmerman should have known better than to follow, against NW protocols, someone who he profiled as a "criminal suspect". Instead, imo, the jury focus may well have been on whether it was likely that George was reasonably in fear of great harm/death and could have done anything more than scream (possibly) and squirm to escape the altercation before he shot Trayvon Martin.

If the jury believed the "pussy" claims made in the defense's opening statement, claims supported by the testimony of both the gym owner and the justifiable force expert, then they may well have concluded that George Zimmerman did everything that he reasonably could (in his case = jack shit) before he shot Trayvon Martin; therefore acting in self-defense and justified in using deadly force.

Dan White served us the "Twinkie Defense". George Zimmerman now hands us the "Pussy Defense".

I'm not always interested in post-trial juror interviews. In this case, I'm very interested.

Good call HOTD

In the case of Marissa and her attempt to use SYG, she was behind a locked door and therefore in no immediate danger of any kind of harm.
There was absolutely No reason to pull the trigger. Doing so in the way she did it demonstrated recklessness on a huge scale. Thats why she was convicted, the 20 years is an unfortunate result of fixed sentencing. I doubt she will do the whole 20 and has a better than even chance of an appeal to get a reduction.

(07-14-2013, 11:40 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Good call HOTD

In the case of Marissa and her attempt to use SYG, she was behind a locked door and therefore in no immediate danger of any kind of harm.
There was absolutely No reason to pull the trigger. Doing so in the way she did it demonstrated recklessness on a huge scale. Thats why she was convicted, the 20 years is an unfortunate result of fixed sentencing. I doubt she will do the whole 20 and has a better than even chance of an appeal to get a reduction.

He has a point, no reason to pull any trigger. 20 years are a reasonable sentence from my point of view though. But the main problem is that by appealing she will get a reduction and that destroys the reason of her sentence in first place, so in future everyone in such place, will do the same and the "pressing the trigger" will be more than easy for cases that should not press it.

In her case Six, what she did was stupid and dangerous. But I doubt she was thinking clearly either. She was likely terrified of her ex and reacting in fear. 20 years is absurd. Probation and counseling would have been a more just sentence. Now she goes to prison while the ex us free. Yea, that's fair.

Shooting and killing someone is more reckless an act than shooting a warning shot into a wall.

Walls don't leave behind grieving family and friends.

Why would the Feds step in now? Didn't this end with George's not guilty verdict?

The Justice Department says it is looking into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin to determine whether federal prosecutors should file criminal civil rights charges now that George Zimmerman has been acquitted in the state case.

The department opened an investigation into Martin's death last year but stepped aside to allow the state prosecution to proceed.

In a statement Sunday, the Justice Department said the criminal section of the civil rights division, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office for the Middle District of Florida are continuing to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal probe, in addition to the evidence and testimony from the state trial.

The statement said that, in the government's words, "experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation.

Story

(07-14-2013, 11:59 AM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: Shooting and killing someone is more reckless an act than shooting a warning shot into a wall.

Walls don't leave behind grieving family and friends.

It was a cute little piece, you submitted, by CBS.

Too bad CBS left out critical pieces of information.

Here's a few snippets of missing pieces and contradictory information:


State Attorney Angela Corey tells us that Congresswoman Corrine Brown needs to get the facts straight on the Marissa Alexander case.

Brown’s opinion is that this is a case of institutional racism.

“And the fact is, if there was a Stand Your Ground Case, it’s this one,” Brown said to Corey. “And the judge denied Stand Your Ground…But my feeling is that your office initially overcharged her in this case. This is my feeling.”

In an interview with WOKV, Angela Corey says the fact is Marissa Alexander fired a shot in the direction of her husband, Rico Gray, and the two children. That shot went into a wall, “out the other side of the wall where they were standing and deflected up into the ceiling at that point.”

“We believe part of the reason people are upset is they think that he was coming at her and she just fired a warning shot into the ceiling,” Corey said.

“That is absolutely not true, not what happened, and their story is not corroborated by the physical evidence.”

There was a verbal argument, she says, and there were no signs of physical abuse on Alexander that day. Rico Gray was getting ready to leave the house with the kids when Alexander went into the garage, got the gun, came back, and fired it in their direction.

On a bond issued by the court judge, Alexander was ordered to have no contact with Rico Gray and his two sons. Three months later, she went over to where Rico Gray was living, got into an argument with him, hit him and gave him a black eye, Corey says. She then left the scene.

“She then lied to the police on the phone saying she had an alibi.”

When Alexander met with police, she admitted she went over to Gray’s residence but said that he had hit her.

Upon examination of both Gray and Alexander, evidence showed that “there were no injuries on her, but Rico had a black eye.”

FULL STORY

She's another piece of shit niggette who claims racial victimization.

A black version of Jodi Arias in my book.

George was hit . . . so you must acquit!

This lying cunt didn't have a mark on her.

The Fed was requested to look into civil rights violations against Trayvon Martin last year, but there was really no basis to pursue it after investigating and it got tried where it belonged, in criminal court with the State of Florida. IMO.

But, with the acquittal, a lot of groups and individuals who are disappointed with the verdict are again pushing the civil rights violation issue.

I think that the Fed may simply be responding to those requests to review the case again, but won't actually pursue any charges. Just my take.

P.s. I'm wondering about what Adub mentioned upthread regarding whether or not George will seek immunity under SYG now. If I understand the immunity conditions correctly, if granted immunity, Zimmerman would then be immune from civil litigation (wrongful death).

Where are those mass riots? Damn niggers are so unpredictable.

(07-14-2013, 08:23 PM)username Wrote: Where are those mass riots? Damn niggers are so unpredictable.

C'mon . . . Oakland had a "token" show of vandali . . . errr . . . protest.

Besides . . . the "jig" was up when they announced they were ready for unrest.

Spades are cowards . . . they don't know what cracker is packin' so they stayed away and pouted.

I don't think the jury necessarily bought the self defense claim. Rather, I think they determined that George was negligent which precluded them from convicting him of either murder 2 or manslaughter.

(07-14-2013, 08:28 PM)username Wrote: I don't think the jury necessarily bought the self defense claim.

That's what the tea leaves said to me.

And the jury was racist, too.

Poor Trayvon . . . still couldn't score with white women.

(07-14-2013, 08:28 PM)username Wrote: I don't think the jury necessarily bought the self defense claim. Rather, I think they determined that George was negligent which precluded them from convicting him of either murder 2 or manslaughter.

It's possible.

We won't know unless/until the jurors agree to be interviewed or release their own story; I think they'll talk within the next couple of months. JMO.

Also possible: they weren't convinced by either side and had no idea who did what, whether it was justified or not, etc... If they had reasonable doubt all the way around, they have to give the benefit to the defendant, by law.

(07-14-2013, 08:26 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(07-14-2013, 08:23 PM)username Wrote: Where are those mass riots? Damn niggers are so unpredictable.

C'mon . . . Oakland had a "token" show of vandali . . . errr . . . protest.

Besides . . . the "jig" was up when they announced they were ready for unrest.

Spades are cowards . . . they don't know what cracker is packin' so they stayed away and pouted.

Meanwhile, the news media bleeds.

(07-14-2013, 08:26 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(07-14-2013, 08:23 PM)username Wrote: Where are those mass riots? Damn niggers are so unpredictable.

C'mon . . . Oakland had a "token" show of vandali . . . errr . . . protest.

The protestors here in San Francisco were in my hood, lots of them, but peaceful and organized.

A few broken windows and trash fires in Oakland. Luckily, no violence or looting.

There were no riots across the country. Hopefully, it will stay that way.

They are not going to do anything except talk a bunch of BS. The paper here is full of T&Z stories, white news folks going into black neighborhoods and asking the Man On The Street what he thinks. They keep talking about Changing The System and Fixing The Justice System, not a detail among them. If you want to improve the system then clean up your own neighborhoods, stop demanding handouts, get educated and get your own peoples shit together

(07-14-2013, 09:19 PM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: They are not going to do anything except talk a bunch of BS. The paper here is full of T&Z stories, white news folks going into black neighborhoods and asking the Man On The Street what he thinks. They keep talking about Changing The System and Fixing The Justice System, not a detail among them. If you want to improve the system then clean up your own neighborhoods, stop demanding handouts, get educated and get your own peoples shit together

Yeah!! And fix a broken system where anyone has a license to kill!

I skeered. Bang, bang you're dead.

(07-14-2013, 11:28 PM)username Wrote: Yeah!! And fix a broken system where anyone has a license to kill!

I skeered. Bang, bang you're dead.

Lol.

I don't know why I'm laughing the stand your ground law is ludicrously stupid and ridiculous.

(07-14-2013, 08:52 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The protestors here in San Francisco were in my hood, lots of them, but peaceful and organized.

A few broken windows and trash fires in Oakland. Luckily, no violence or looting.

There were no riots across the country. Hopefully, it will stay that way.

Peaceful & organized appears to be the key words. Marches are happening across the country but no is losing their shit and being stupid. I haven't seen reports of all of them but I've seen quite a few and nothing that contains violence. Here's one in NYC.