(11-23-2014, 01:59 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I like this actress, Michelle Hurd. She gets a lot of work (network, Shakespeare, cable), so you might recognize her face and her husband's -- he's also a busy working actor, Garret Dillahunt.



Here's what she posted yesterday:

LOOK, I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't believe some of the things i've been reading, SO here is MY personal experience:

I did stand-in work on The Cosby show back in the day and YES, Bill Cosby was VERY inappropriate with me. It started innocently, lunch in his dressing room, daily, then onto weird acting exercises were he would move his hands up and down my body, (can't believe I fell for that) I was instructed to NEVER tell anyone what we did together, (he said other actors would become jealous) and then fortunately, I dodged the ultimate bullet with him when he asked me to come to his house, take a shower so we could blow dry my hair and see what it looked like straightened. At that point my own red flags went off and I told him, “No, I'll just come to work tomorrow with my hair straightened”.

I then started to take notice and found another actress, a stand-in as well, and we started talking….. A LOT …. turns out he was doing the same thing to her, almost by the numbers, BUT, she did go to his house and because I will not name her, and it is her story to tell, all I'll say is she awoke, after being drugged, vomited, and then Cosby told her there's a cab waiting for you outside.

I have ABSOLUTELY no reason to lie or make up this up!
Anyone that knows me, knows that!

Now you have a first hand account of my experience with Mr. Cosby.

Off you go…

I believe her. If he's guilty, I think now that Cosby's lost the power to carry through on threats to screw up their careers, more well-known women who were targeted by Cosby will be stepping forward -- sucks to have to keep such a secret and see someone that you know is vile being hailed publicly.

Bill Cosby was pretty sanctimonious when it came to Lisa Bonet taking roles that conflicted with her good girl Huxtable mage. She did not seem to like the man. Kinda curious as to what she has to say, if anything.

OK, I believe her too. It's just too compelling every day another victim keeps popping up. I never liked Coz, but tried to keep an open mind. However, enough is enough. I am now convinced he was/is a smug powerful pervert. I too would very much like to see Lisa weigh in on this saga.

I didn't check to see who came out with more accusations while I was sleeping.

I'm gonna have to say... it seems like Bill Cosby is a raper.

At the very least, a powerful guy with a sense of entitlement matched only by his ego. These women are coming forward with enough matching details to provide a very solid picture of the guy's MO. The drinks and drugging provide the plausible deniability so he can claim these girls either consented or misremembered or misinterpreted etc. and their own confused recollections/self esteem issues only serve to help him. And if he threw them a couple bucks at any point, they're colored as gold diggers.

Standard fucking predator behavior. No different than the tactics employed by most pedophiles.

(11-23-2014, 09:20 AM)Donovan Wrote: At the very least, a powerful guy with a sense of entitlement matched only by his ego.

No doubt about that.

Here's what's not disputed by anyone; confirmed facts:
-Cosby chased women all over LA and he hung out with his buddies Hugh Hefner and Robert Culp at the Playboy Mansion frequently while his wife was at home.
-He changed his image from mister fly guy to mister nice family dude when he was fading from popularity and hit middle age, but he was still doing what he always done did in his personal life.
-He hit the jackpot with that transition and crafted a very likable father figure for his stand-up and sitcoms, with a lot of the public apparently believing the public persona matched the private man.

So, he became king of the airwaves, adored by many, wielding shit loads of clout and power and chastising younger entertainers for non-wholesome language and roles, while positioning himself as a real life role model for parents.......... All the while, the married father of five was fucking young women here, there, and everywhere. It was rampant. When he would be confronted about the womanizing and hypocrisy, he'd outright lie and accuse those who questioned him of being void of integrity (until he had to admit it all in court when confronted with evidence, in order to save his own sorry ass from an extortion attempt).

^ All of which is between him, his wife, his surviving kids (some major turmoil there), his chicks on the side, his fans, his handlers, and his attorneys -- none of which is of much interest nor any concern to me beyond providing context to the current story, which is of real interest and importance to me.

IF Bill Cosby drugged women to incapacitate and have non-consensual sex with them, he's a fucking serial rapist and sexual predator and he's not entitled to a damned thing. Some of his alleged victims are more sympathetic than others, sure. But, it's not about the character of the women he drugged and raped, for me. It's about the fact that this man -- a man who was in a position to take his pick of beautiful secure gold diggers, pay for top notch escorts, have free consensual sex with star struck women who adored and wanted him romantically/sexually -- chose instead to drug and rape young women. He thought he was entitled to turn women into inanimate objects to be defiled for his pleasure. He thought he was entitled to violate other human beings who trusted him. It's very sick and twisted predatory behavior and Bill Cosby doesn't deserve a pass on that, nobody does. He is not entitled to present himself as the victim.

I don't feel sorry that a sort of delayed justice is breathing down his neck and I think it's ridiculous old-school celebrity-worshiping rape-apologist bullshit for anyone to suggest that I should. I'm glad the women whom he allegedly violated are speaking up after years of having to silently watch him con the public for fear of retribution if they came forward separately. Better late than never. Times up, Pudding Man. If he's innocent, he can call them all liars directly and file defamation suits -- so far, he's not doing that.

I like what Richard Pryor suggested that Bill Cosby do after Cosby called Eddie outta the blue to lecture him about his dirty stand-up routine (last part of video below).


Bill probably would have been wise to take Pryor's advice all those years ago. Too late now.

Anyway, this thread is interesting to me; the different focus points and reactions to accusations of rape against someone generally viewed with trust. I imagine the views expressed here are still pretty reflective of society as a whole.

I find nothing to disagree with in your assessment. Scumbag celebrity is scumbag. Sad part is, there are many, many such types in Hollywood, almost as many predators as there are naive victims fresh off the bus and waiting to be taken.

The similarity of the details are the most incriminating bit, with the MO becoming very clear through the drink, and the "relaxing pill" and the wet hair/drowsy actress bit...makes you wonder what kind of kink set that old dog off its leash when he was a youngster. Older sister maybe? Babysitter? Ewww mom?

I'm still sticking with I don't give a shit. They waited too long to make a big deal about it, therefore it's not a big deal.

UMass has dumped Bill. Woooo.

The 77-year-old comedian has stepped down from his honorary co-chairman post on a $300 million UMass fundraising campaign after pressure from university officials. Cosby received his master's and doctorate degree in education from the university, and has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the school together with his wife Camille.

The Boston Globe reports Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley encouraged the university to drop Cosby, writing "At a time when the state is focused on prevention and response to sexual assaults on campus, allowing Mr. Cosby to continue to represent our state university sends the exact wrong message."

Story

The universities which received massive donations from Cosby have cut ties. Many of his concert dates have been cancelled. Old reruns of the Cosby show have been pulled from tv. New specials have been cancelled.

Yeah, there's no coming back from this for Bill Cosby, IMO. I'm more interested in the story than most here, I think. So, I haven't been posting all of the developments as they occur. Here's a recap of what's been in the news since last weekend for anyone who's interested.

-More women who've passed or offered to take polygraph tests have come forward -- some sent to audition for him by the same agent who had sent other alleged rape/molestation victims to him. Some are on record as having spoken to others, including psychiatrists, about what Cosby allegedly did to them and how they were advised that they wouldn't be believed.

-An NBC employee who worked for Cosby came forward and revealed that he would escort young actresses who were told that they would be auditioning to Cosby's dressing room or quarters and that he was ordered to stand guard at the door. He said Cosby sent him to deliver gift certificates to some of the women afterwards. He says he didn't know what was going on behind closed doors, but he eventually knew it was bad stuff and he quit.

-Members of reputable press organizations like the Associated Press, The Atlantic, The New York Times, New Yorker Magazine, and Cosby's biographer came together to offer a mea culpa for knowingly playing softball and/or looking the other way regarding allegations of rape and sexual misconduct that were reported to them in regards to Cosby. Essentially, they claim they were intimidated by Cosby's strong arm tactics and extreme power. He'd offered them other focus topics instead and they believe now that they were in the wrong for selling out as investigative reporters to avoid risking his wrath.

-Some testimony from the 2005 civil suit against Cosby was released. In it, he admits under oath, when confronted, that he offered the National Enquirer an exclusive interview in exchange for them killing a planned story about the drugging and rape of his second public accuser. She'd passed a lie detector test and he was afraid for her story to go public while he was being investigated in the Constand rape case.

-Prior to that, Cosby had made another deal with the National Enquirer. They were going to run a story with photos of him and Sammy Davis Jr. carousing in Las Vegas. Cosby didn't want that to surface, so he offered them an exclusive story about his teen daughter Erinn's alcohol and drug addictions and provided them with a quote. They agreed. His daughter Erinn was estranged from him for years afterwards, until her brother was murdered.

-Cosby and his attorney continue to refer to clear-as-day detailed accusations of rape and sexual molestation as "innuendo". They're both intelligent enough to have better vocabularies than that --they're clearly attempting to discredit and deflect while incurring the least risk of liability if he's proven to be lying, IMO.

-Cosby and his attorney calls some of the claims fantastical, but they won't address specific claims directly -- they're clearly attempting to discredit and deflect while incurring the least risk of liability if he's proven to be lying, IMO.

-No threats of defamation suits, which are standard procedure in cases of false claims against celebrities, are being levied at his accusers. He'd have to go to court, answer questions, and face his accusers. Guilty people don't wanna do that, IMO.

-Nobody close to Cosby (that I've seen) except for a nephew who works for him has come forward to vouch for him.

I'm convinced that Bill Cosby is someone who violated and conned a lot of people for decades while reaping massive financial rewards and accolades for it. He cultivated an image of trust and used it to hurt others. I, personally, feel his fall from grace is delayed justice of which he is more than deserving and hope other predators in high places are deterred by watching Bill Cosby pay some dues -- finally.

http://www.thewrap.com/bill-cosby-made-d...ds-reveal/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/busine....html?_r=0
http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/bill-cos...201363090/

(11-29-2014, 08:29 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: -Members of reputable press organizations like the Associated Press, The Atlantic, The New York Times, New Yorker Magazine, and Cosby's biographer came together to offer a mea culpa for knowingly playing softball and/or looking the other way regarding allegations of rape and sexual misconduct that were reported to them in regards to Cosby. Essentially, they claim they were intimidated by Cosby's strong arm tactics and extreme power. He'd offered them other focus topics instead and they believe now that they were in the wrong for selling out as investigative reporters to avoid risking his wrath.

This might surprise me more than everything else, including selling out his own daughter. My God. Whatta tool.

I think whoever told Cosby to shut up and not talk about it was spot on. Maybe I haven't been paying as much attention to the news lately but this seems to be another story that is starting to die for lack of comment on the part of Cosby. He may be ruined but it's not at the top of the headlines as much.

Celebrities often don't know when to just shut up. Paula Deen was a good example. If I were a PR person, I'd advise my client to go in to hiding for a month or two and, absent providing fuel for the fire, it WILL die down and some other story will take its place.

(11-29-2014, 10:12 PM)username Wrote: If I were a PR person, I'd advise my client to go in to hiding for a month or two and, absent providing fuel for the fire, it WILL die down and some other story will take its place.

If he were innocent and falsely accused, I would advise the opposite were I his PR person. If he didn't rape anybody, I'd advise him to come out directly and say so. I would have advised him to do that before this point -- before virtually all of his associations very publicly dropped him like a hot potato. If he were innocent, there would be no conceivable reason for him not to come out and say so. He could go on Oprah even.

I mean, this is as serious as it gets in terms of accusations, both in severity (aside from murder and child molestation) and scale. It will not blow over with silence and be forgotten. No chance in hell. This is not the same as being accused of making racist remarks, lying about a face lift, having homosexual affairs, etc...

However, if I knew or suspected that Cosby was guilty of raping and molesting women, I'd advise him to keep his mouth shut too if I were his PR person/lawyer. Admitting the truth after lying for decades wouldn't help him with something of this magnitude, IMO. Speaking up and attempting to lie when there are so many people who are now willing to publicly confront him with the truth would backfire. At least if he stays silent and goes into permanent hiding some of his family members and his more star-struck fans could hold on to the hope that he might be wrongly accused.

(11-29-2014, 11:12 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(11-29-2014, 10:12 PM)username Wrote: If I were a PR person, I'd advise my client to go in to hiding for a month or two and, absent providing fuel for the fire, it WILL die down and some other story will take its place.

If he were innocent and falsely accused, I would advise the opposite were I his PR person. If he didn't rape anybody, I'd advise him to come out directly and say so.

So he could face liable/slander suits from all sides that probably wouldn't be judged/settled for years? He can't win speaking out. Not at his age. He doesn't have the time to fight those battles in civil court.

Plus, those that think he DID do it would just pounce on him for his denials and keep the whole media wheel rolling. He's better off being quiet. From a PR standpoint.

(11-29-2014, 11:52 PM)username Wrote:

(11-29-2014, 11:12 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(11-29-2014, 10:12 PM)username Wrote: If I were a PR person, I'd advise my client to go in to hiding for a month or two and, absent providing fuel for the fire, it WILL die down and some other story will take its place.

If he were innocent and falsely accused, I would advise the opposite were I his PR person. If he didn't rape anybody, I'd advise him to come out directly and say so.

So he could face liable/slander suits from all sides that probably wouldn't be judged/settled for years? He can't win speaking out. Not at his age. He doesn't have the time to fight those battles in civil court.

Plus, those that think he DID do it would just pounce on him for his denials and keep the whole media wheel rolling. He's better off being quiet. From a PR standpoint.

No, he couldn't face libel/slander suits by simply defending himself and telling the truth (nor could he face any other criminal or civil actions from known accusers due to statute of limitations expiration).

As long as he doesn't specifically make defamatory remarks about any of the women that could be proven false and to have caused damage to their reputations, there would be no risk of libel or slander suits.

He could very simply arrange a public statement or an interview with his chosen host. Happens all the time and Bill Cosby knows all about how that works. He could just say that he never raped or molested any woman. His interviewer could read each of the women's names and he could confirm that he never committed any of those acts on any of those women.

He is losing everything in his silence. This is not something that will blow over in a month, nor should it. It will never be biz as usual unless he's innocent and addresses the accusations publicly.

I really don't understand why you'd advise him to be silent unless you think he's guilty, in which case I concur.

The Cuz knows "he's a good rapest", but a "terrible lier"! So mums the word.

He's an old man, leave him alone. His son got killed.

(11-30-2014, 12:39 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: He's an old man, leave him alone. His son got killed.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, aussie.

He was only allegedly raping/molesting til at least 10 years ago. And, he's just been jaunting all over the country touring whilst busily working on a multi-project comeback bid. Not too old for any of that, but too old to be held accountable for drugging and raping scores of women across the country over the course of 40 years.

I mean, certainly he should be considered the victim and given a pass because he lost a son to tragedy 20 years ago -- nevermind that he was busy rapin' other people's daughters at the time. Fuck those women, give the famous man a break.

You need to turn in your feminist card, your victims' advocate card, and your "I don't think of celebrities any differently than anybody else" bullshit card.

But, I'm sure Bill would like to clink glasses to thank you for your suckerage and support.




P.s. If Zsa Zsa had any zoom left, I'd sic her on you.

(11-30-2014, 12:39 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: He's an old man, leave him alone. His son got killed.

(11-30-2014, 02:47 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: If Zsa Zsa had any zoom left, I'd sic her on you.

I can picture Aussie & Zsa Zsa engaging in an informal exchange of views.

(11-30-2014, 12:56 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I really don't understand why you'd advise him to be silent unless you think he's guilty, in which case I concur.

Of course he's guilty. He's got at least 10+ women (several of whom are credible I gather) providing very similar stories. Most people realize that and would absolutely pounce on him for any denials.

That said, even if he were miraculously innocent, you can't prove a negative. He can no more prove he didn't commit the crimes than apparently these women can prove he did. He'd just look like an asshole and further piss them and their supporters off plus help keep the story in the headlines.

I'd advise him to shut up either way.