Obama has in fact publicly addressed gun violence in Chicago's black community Six. That's just a fact.

But yeah, Chicago (where Obama served and lived for years) definitely has too much shooting going on despite its gun laws. Obama and others partially attribute gun violence in Chicago to lax gun control laws in neighboring states.

To me, it's misleading when Chicago is cited as the shooting/murder capital of the U.S. when those doing the reporting fail to note that Chicago proper has a much larger population than most cities and is actually not even in the top 30 list when it comes to homicides (mostly, but not totally, gun-related) per capita.

This is the list of U.S. cities with the highest homicide rates per capita in 2015 so far.

Rank/City
30 Baton Rouge, LA
29 Youngstown, OH
28 San Bernardino, CA
27 Oakland, CA
26 Barberton, OH
25 Poughkeepsie, NY
24 Cincinnati, OH
23 Petersburg, VA
22 Wilmington, DE
21 York, PA
20 East Palo Alto, CA
19 Jackson, MS
18 Wilkes-Barre, PA
17 Birmingham, AL
16 East Point, GA
15 East Chicago, IN
14 Compton, CA
13 Baltimore, MD
12 St. Louis, MO
11 Harvey, IL
10 Newark, NJ
9 New Orleans, LA
8 Trenton, NJ
7 Detroit, MI
6 Flint, MI
5 Saginaw, MI
4 Chester, PA
3 Gary, IN
2 Camden, NJ
1 East St. Louis, IL

Ref: http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lis...te-cities/

In terms of raw numbers...

For many years, violent crime (including homicides by gunfire) has been on the decline across the country. Unfortunately, the first half of 2015 has seen an increase in homicides as compared to the first six months of 2014. I hope that trend in the wrong direction doesn't continue.



Story / Analysis: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/.../29879091/

(07-15-2015, 09:23 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Obama has in fact publicly addressed gun violence in Chicago's black community Six. That's just a fact.

But yeah, Chicago (where Obama served and lived for years) definitely has too much shooting going on despite its gun laws. Obama and others partially attribute gun violence in Chicago to lax gun control laws in neighboring states.

To me, it's misleading when Chicago is cited as the shooting/murder capital of the U.S. when those doing the reporting fail to note that Chicago proper has a much larger population than most cities and is actually not even in the top 30 list when it comes to homicides (mostly, but not totally, gun-related) per capita.

Yes, it should be perfectly obvious that all the black on black shootings in the greater chicago area should be blamed on the neighboring states, Definitely NOT on the violences ridden area where the violence is actually occurring.

Many people that left New Orleans during hurricane Katrina never went back and stayed in Dallas bringing all their baggage with them.

(07-15-2015, 10:52 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Yes, it should be perfectly obvious that all the black on black shootings in the greater chicago area should be blamed on the neighboring states, Definitely NOT on the violences ridden area where the violence is actually occurring.

The blame will never lay on the black community, it will always be blamed on racial talking points and anything else that a finger can be pointed at. Instead of blame and deflection and throwing money at the situation the people that live in the most crime ridden sections need to stand up to criminal activity and create safe zones where everyone becomes involved in their community. But there is easy money to be made from selling drugs and stealing from the hard working people that run businesses in the areas. Much easier than working hard.

(07-15-2015, 10:52 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Yes, it should be perfectly obvious that all the black on black shootings in the greater chicago area should be blamed on the neighboring states, Definitely NOT on the violences ridden area where the violence is actually occurring.

I haven't heard anyone blame all the violence in Chicago on neighboring states Six.

The violence in Chicago has been blamed on the breakdown of families, economics, lack of opportunity, guns in the wrong hands, and many other factors.

What I've heard President Obama and other politicians claim is that the people in Chicago, who are in fact responsible for carrying out gun violence, are able to acquire guns from neighboring states with laxer gun laws. That's the contention, whether it's true or not, I don't know.

(07-15-2015, 09:30 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: This is the list of U.S. cities with the highest homicide rates per capita in 2015 so far.

Rank/City
5 Saginaw, MI
4 Chester, PA
3 Gary, IN
2 Camden, NJ
1 East St. Louis, IL

Ref: http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lis...te-cities/

Camden had this to say when they saw the data.

Yesterday, President Obama told the BBC that his inability to get common sense gun laws pushed through, despite high profile mass gun killings, is the most frustrating part of his presidency. He said that while he feels stymied, he will keep trying during his last 18 months in office.

Obama also noted that while less than 100 Americans have been killed by terrorism since 9/11, tens of thousands of Americans have been killed from gun violence.

(07-24-2015, 12:38 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: tens of thousands of Americans have been killed from gun violence.

It's out of control and I'm only seeing what is posted in Mock and on my local news, granted that comes out of Philly but everyday it's the friggin' headline and I'm not talking one or two shootings, I'm talking several. Every. Fucking. Day!

If anything Obama has worsened the socioeconomic and cultural problems that are the root of gun violence, which occur predominately in metropolitan areas and among minorities.

Thanks Obama.

Damn. You sure do have a hard on for Obama. That's just an observation.

Are you forgetting that I am an "appalling racist'?

(07-24-2015, 03:00 PM)Jimbone Wrote: Are you forgetting that I am an "appalling racist'?

An intolerant, pugnacious one at that!

(I have a good memory.)

(07-24-2015, 12:38 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Obama also noted that while less than 100 Americans have been killed by terrorism since 9/11, tens of thousands of Americans have been killed from gun violence.

I honestly don't know where the president is getting his figures.

According to the CDC (in 2013), the Assault/Homicide body count was 11,208, by firearms.

That doesn't equate to "tens of thousands" of deaths by gun violence, to me.

However, the suicide rate, by firearms (again in 2013) was 21,175 and another 19,974 was by "other" means.

It is clear, that the suicide death rate is almost 4 times greater than the Assault/Homicide rate, by firearms.

Motor vehicle accidents accounted for 35,369 (over three times the rate of gun violence) deaths and falls accounted for 30,208 (almost three times the rate of gun violence).

Let's outlaw gravity and the modern convenience of transportation.

And maybe . . . get focused on comprehensive mental health care . . . like the ACA.

As we know the ACA IS constitutional, it should be a breeze to pass.

(07-24-2015, 03:12 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I honestly don't know where the president is getting his figures.

According to the CDC (in 2013), the Assault/Homicide body count was 11,208, by firearms.

That doesn't equate to "tens of thousands" of deaths by gun violence, to me.

He didn't say "annually", he said "since 9/11".

His statement was accurate. There have definitely been tens of thousands of deaths attributable to gun violence in the U.S. over the last 13 years; over 100,000 in total.

In Chicago - Obama's hometown and a place with some of the strictest gun laws in the country - there have been 1,432 homicides by firearm. Over 95% of the victims were black and hispanic, and nearly 90% of the victims were males. And that's just since 2012, including yesterday.

Looks to me like there is a pretty clear pattern of where the gun violence and gun homicides are happening, and it's not unique to Chicago. It's every metropolitan area in the country.

It's also likely not NRA members, or people with assault weapons... which are the popular boogeyman arguments. It's almost entirely handguns, and the vast majority of victims are black and hispanic.

But instead of addressing the real problem, blame gun violence.

If we could magically get rid of every single gun on the planet, the core problem that is causing the violence would remain. As would the violence, just in other forms. Guns are just one of the scapegoats for failed social policy.

Great Society my ass.

I don't much care when bad people kill each other. If it's happening at an alarming rate, so be it. I care about the people in school or church or at the movies, etc.

(07-24-2015, 03:59 PM)Jimbone Wrote: Looks to me like there is a pretty clear pattern of where the gun violence and gun homicides are happening, and it's not unique to Chicago. It's every metropolitan area in the country.

Where the population is highest, the number of gun violence deaths is highest. That's true, not surprising, not unique to Obama or any other president, and a population correlation that applies to most events (not only gun violence).

However, I posted numbers not far upthread about the areas with the highest per-capita gun deaths, and many of the big metropolitan areas are not at the top of the list. That is interesting, to me.

(07-24-2015, 03:28 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: He didn't say "annually", he said "since 9/11".

His statement was accurate. There have definitely been tens of thousands of deaths attributable to gun violence in the U.S. over the last 13 years; over 100,000 in total.

However . . . the suicide rate by firearms are almost always double the Assault/Homicide rate by firearms.

To me, it is disingenuous to ignore the fact that more people die by their own hand and troubled mind, with firearms.

If the argument of less than 100 deaths by terrorism since ⁹⁄₁₁ is to convince US citizens of the dangers of gun violence, why are we spending so much money on protecting Americans from terrorism?

Hell . . . using his logic, one building with less than 4,000 people, per year, brought down by terrorists, pales in comparison to the carnage caused by "gun crazed Americans".

Alcohol deaths (not by disease) are almost 30,000 per year . . . and that stat hasn't budged much.

Drugs . . . over 46,000 per year.

The body count from gun violence is hyped, while the rest is ignored.

Why?

And the President NEVER mentioned how many of these killings were committed by lawful gun owners.

Yes . . . something needs to be done . . . but one based on reason and not emotional persuasion.

I thought it offensive that he used a ⁹⁄₁₁ reference or terrorist reference.

It minimizes the deaths of the 5 soldiers killed by the Tennessee "lone wolf" . . . and the deaths and maiming of the Boston victims.

He made it sound . . . acceptable.