Fucking barbarians.

I love the company we keep (with regards to the death penalty).


Current use:
Note: Italics indicate countries where capital punishment has not been used in the last ten years or that have a moratorium in effect.

Antigua and Barbuda Afghanistan Bahamas Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belize Botswana China Cuba Dominica Egypt Grenada Guatemala Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jamaica Japan Jordan Nigeria North Korea South Korea Lebanon Malaysia Pakistan Russia Saudi Arabia Singapore Somalia Sri Lanka St Kitts and Nevis St Lucia St Vincent and the Grenadines Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Thailand Tonga Trinidad and Tobago United Arab Emirates United States Vietnam Yemen

(09-30-2015, 07:17 PM)username Wrote: Fucking barbarians.

I love the company we keep (with regards to the death penalty).


Current use:
Note: Italics indicate countries where capital punishment has not been used in the last ten years or that have a moratorium in effect.

Antigua and Barbuda Afghanistan Bahamas Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belize Botswana China Cuba Dominica Egypt Grenada Guatemala Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jamaica Japan Jordan Nigeria North Korea South Korea Lebanon Malaysia Pakistan Russia Saudi Arabia Singapore Somalia Sri Lanka St Kitts and Nevis St Lucia St Vincent and the Grenadines Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Thailand Tonga Trinidad and Tobago United Arab Emirates United States Vietnam Yemen

I really have a hard time believing that Cuba, Guyana and a few others in there have not used capitol punishment. Where did this list come from the white house?

(10-01-2015, 08:44 AM)Maggot Wrote:

(09-30-2015, 07:17 PM)username Wrote: Fucking barbarians.

I love the company we keep (with regards to the death penalty).


Current use:
Note: Italics indicate countries where capital punishment has not been used in the last ten years or that have a moratorium in effect.

Antigua and Barbuda Afghanistan Bahamas Bangladesh Barbados Belarus Belize Botswana China Cuba Dominica Egypt Grenada Guatemala Guyana India Indonesia Iran Iraq Jamaica Japan Jordan Nigeria North Korea South Korea Lebanon Malaysia Pakistan Russia Saudi Arabia Singapore Somalia Sri Lanka St Kitts and Nevis St Lucia St Vincent and the Grenadines Syria Taiwan Tajikistan Thailand Tonga Trinidad and Tobago United Arab Emirates United States Vietnam Yemen

I really have a hard time believing that Cuba, Guyana and a few others in there have not used capitol punishment. Where did this list come from the white house?

It's not really capitol punishment maggs. They drag you out of your bed and shoot you in the street.

(10-01-2015, 08:44 AM)Maggot Wrote: I really have a hard time believing that Cuba, Guyana and a few others in there have not used capitol punishment. Where did this list come from the white house?

The all-knowing Wikipedia. Okay, here's another list (and link) which doesn't include the italics on who has/hasn't actually carried out a death sentence in the past 10 years:

Death Penalty Permitted

•Afghanistan
•Antigua and Barbuda
•Bahamas
•Bahrain
•Bangladesh
•Barbados
•Belarus
•Belize
•Botswana
•Chad
•China (People's Republic)
•Comoros
•Congo (Democratic Republic)
•Cuba
•Dominica
•Egypt
•Equatorial Guinea
•Ethiopia
•Gambia
•Guatemala
•Guinea
•Guyana
•India
•Indonesia
•Iran
•Iraq
•Jamaica
•Japan
•Jordan
•Kuwait
•Lebanon
•Lesotho
•Libya
•Malaysia
•Nigeria
•North Korea
•Oman
•Pakistan
•Palestinian Authority
•Qatar
•St. Kitts and Nevis
•St. Lucia
•St. Vincent and the Grenadines
•Saudi Arabia
•Singapore
•Somalia
•South Sudan
•Sudan
•Syria
•Taiwan
•Thailand
•Trinidad and Tobago
•Uganda
•United Arab Emirates
•United States
•Vietnam
•Yemen
•Zimbabwe

Still I see very few of what I what call our most civilized, 1^st world allies on that list. They all seem to be on this list (along with some countries that I'm surprised don't have the d.p.):

Death Penalty Outlawed (year):

•Albania (2000)
•Andorra (1990)
•Angola (1992)
•Argentina (2008)
•Armenia (2003)
•Australia (1984)
•Austria (1950)
•Azerbaijan (1998)
•Belgium (1996)
•Bolivia (2009)
•Bhutan (2004)
•Bosnia-Herzegovina (1997)
•Bulgaria (1998)
•Burundi (2009 )
•Cambodia (1989)
•Canada (1976)
•Cape Verde (1981)
•Colombia (1910)
•Cook Islands (2007)
•Costa Rica (1877)
•Côte d'Ivoire (2000)
•Croatia (1990)
•Cyprus (1983)
•Czech Republic (1990)
•Denmark (1933)
•Djibouti (1995)
•Dominican Republic (1966)
•Ecuador (1906)
•Estonia (1998)
•Finland (1949)
•France (1981)
•Gabon (2010)
•Georgia (1997)
•Germany (1949)
•Greece (1993)
•Guinea-Bissau (1993)
•Haiti (1987)
•Honduras (1956)
•Hungary (1990)
•Iceland (1928)
•Ireland (1990)
•Italy (1947)
•Kyrgyzstan (2007)
•Kiribati (1979)
•Latvia (2012)
•Liechtenstein (1987)
•Lithuania (1998)
•Luxembourg (1979)
•Macedonia (1991)
•Malta (1971)
•Marshall Islands (1986)
•Mauritius (1995)
•Mexico (2005)
•Micronesia (1986)
•Moldova (1995)
•Monaco (1962)
•Montenegro (2002)
•Mozambique (1990)
•Namibia (1990)
•Nepal (1990)
•Netherlands (1870)
•New Zealand (1961)
•Nicaragua (1979)
•Niue (n.a.)
•Norway (1905)
•Palau (n.a.)
•Panama (1903)
•Paraguay (1992)
•Philippines (2006)
•Poland (1997)
•Portugal (1867)
•Romania (1989)
•Rwanda (2007)
•Samoa (2004)
•San Marino (1848)
•São Tomé and Príncipe (1990)
•Senegal (2004)
•Serbia (2002)
•Seychelles (1993)
•Slovakia (1990)
•Slovenia (1989)
•Solomon Islands (1966)
•South Africa (1995)
•Spain (1978)
•Sweden (1921)
•Switzerland (1942)
•Timor-Leste (1999)
•Togo (2009)
•Turkey (2002)
•Turkmenistan (1999)
•Tuvalu (1978)
•Ukraine (1999)
•United Kingdom (1973)
•Uruguay (1907)
•Uzbekistan (2008)
•Vanuatu (1980)
•Vatican City (1969)
•Venezuela (1863)


And finally (because I couldn't find Russia):

De Facto Ban on Death Penalty3 (year)4

•Algeria (1993)
•Benin (1987)
•Brunei (1957)
•Burkina Faso (1988)
•Cameroon (1997)
•Central African Republic (1981)
•Congo (Republic) (1982)
•Eritrea (n.a.)
•Ghana (n.a.)
•Grenada (1978)
•Kenya (n.a.)
•Korea, South (1997.)
•Laos (n.a.)
•Liberia (n.a.)
•Madagascar (1958)
•Malawi (n.a.)
•Maldives (1952)
•Mali (1980)
•Mauritania (1987)
•Mongolia (2012)
•Morocco (1993)
•Myanmar (1993)
•Nauru (1968)
•Niger (1976)
•Papua New Guinea (1950)
•Russia (1999)
•Sierra Leone (1998)
•Sri Lanka (1976)
•Suriname (1982)
•Swaziland (n.a.)
•Tajikistan (n.a.)
•Tanzania (n.a.)
•Tonga (1982)
•Tunisia (1990)
•Zambia (n.a.)



Linky:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html

The lists don't mean much unless you know something about the laws there User. Take Norway for example. The maximum sentence there is 15 years. You can kill a 1000 people and only serve 15 years for it. Sound cool?

The U.N. has been pushing for worldwide abolition of the death penalty for a very long time. Over the last 20 years, over 140 countries have abolished it or issued a death penalty moratorium.

I read recently that Cuba's Supreme Court commuted the sentence of its only death-row prisoner to life-in-prison. Cuba isn't sentencing people to death anymore and hasn't in over 10 years. Firing squad was Cuba's method of execution before the moratorium was issued.

Guyana still has 30 people on death row, but hasn't executed a prisoner in 8 years. Hanging was Guyana's method of execution before a moratorium was issued.

I can think of more reasons to end the death penalty in the U.S. than to keep it. As for the "Appeals Process", even if that were done away with (which is shouldn't be unless we care less about wrongful convictions being reversed before a prisoner is killed), the cost of pursuing the death penalty is between 3 and 10 times the cost of life without parole (depending on the state).

Anyway, these are the top 10 countries that still use the death penalty, ranked by number of executions in the last 8 years.
1. China
2. Iran
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Iraq
5. United States
6. Yemen
7. Pakistan
8. North Korea
9. Sudan
10. Somalia

Source:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicde...y-chart-15

(10-01-2015, 10:57 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: The lists don't mean much unless you know something about the laws there User. Take Norway for example. The maximum sentence there is 15 years. You can kill a 1000 people and only serve 15 years for it. Sound cool?

This is a messy paste but everywhere you see a % more than Norway indicates the higher crime rates in the U.S. as opposed to Norway (a link follows which is pretty cool--you can input any country and compare crime rates).

Regardless, we're talking about the death penalty not prison sentences. No I don't think 15 years is a sufficient sentence but that's an orange to my apple. I never suggested we should do away with LWOP or otherwise modify anything but the death sentence.




Rape rate 19.2
Ranked 15^th. 27.3
Ranked 9^th. 42% more than Norway

Total crimes 330,071
Ranked 29^th. 11.88 million
Ranked 1^st. 36 times more than Norway
Violent crime > Gun crime > Guns per 100 residents 31.3
Ranked 11^th. 88.8
Ranked 1^st. 3 times more than Norway
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate 0.68
Ranked 59^th. 4.7
Ranked 7^th. 7 times more than Norway

Violent crime > Murder rate 29
Ranked 76^th. 12,996
Ranked 9^th. 448 times more than Norway

Violent crime > Murder rate per million people 5.93
Ranked 84^th. 42.01
Ranked 43^th. 7 times more than Norway

Violent crime > Rapes per million people 191.85
Ranked 15^th. 274.04
Ranked 9^th. 43% more than Norway

Linky:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info...ates/Crime

(10-01-2015, 10:57 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: The lists don't mean much unless you know something about the laws there User. Take Norway for example. The maximum sentence there is 15 years. You can kill a 1000 people and only serve 15 years for it. Sound cool?

The list means exactly what it represents, Gunnar.

The issue we're discussing is which countries do and don't use the death penalty in their criminal justice systems.

ETA: Sorry user; posting at the same time.

(10-01-2015, 11:26 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(10-01-2015, 10:57 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: The lists don't mean much unless you know something about the laws there User. Take Norway for example. The maximum sentence there is 15 years. You can kill a 1000 people and only serve 15 years for it. Sound cool?

The list means exactly what it represents, Gunnar.

The issue we're discussing is which countries do and don't use the death penalty in their criminal justice systems.

ETA: Sorry user; posting at the same time.

Doesn't mean shit unless you know what really goes on there and how their laws are written, but please carry on...

(10-01-2015, 11:41 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: Doesn't mean shit unless you know what really goes on there and how their laws are written, but please carry on...

Derp.

It means exactly what we've said it means, regardless of "what goes on there and how their laws are written".

The lists represent which countries do and don't use the death penalty in their legal criminal justice systems today, as stated.

Someday there may be a thing called "Brainwipe" that takes memories out of a brain and replaces it with something like "farm animal" or "government worker" or "Mars explorer". Possibly within 20-30 years.

(10-01-2015, 11:45 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(10-01-2015, 11:41 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: Doesn't mean shit unless you know what really goes on there and how their laws are written, but please carry on...

Derp.

It means exactly what we've said it means, regardless of "what goes on there and how their laws are written".

The lists represent which countries do and don't use the death penalty in their legal criminal justice systems today, as stated.

It's a lovely meaningless list. Well done.

(10-01-2015, 11:58 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: It's a lovely meaningless list. Well done.

The list user posted is only meaningless if you don't care which countries have a legal death penalty, which countries have abolished the death penalty, and which countries have a moratorium in effect.

Or, it would be meaningless if you're unable to focus and keep up with the discussion.

It doesn't matter to me which category you fall under Gunnar. You're not required to care or keep up in order to continue commenting.

(10-01-2015, 12:08 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(10-01-2015, 11:58 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: It's a lovely meaningless list. Well done.

The list user posted is only meaningless if you don't care which countries have a legal death penalty, which countries have abolished the death penalty, and which countries have a moratorium in effect.

Or, it would be meaningless if you're unable to focus and keep up with the discussion.

It doesn't matter to me which category you fall under Gunnar. You're not required to care or keep up in order to continue commenting.

Mmmmkaaayyy...

FLORIDA


^ Oscar Ray Bolin and wif Rosalie Bolin

Bolin, a former carnival worker and truck driver, was convicted of killing three Tampa Bay-area women in the mid 80s.

He then married Rosalie Martinez, a mother of four and clerical member of his defense team. She was married to a prominent attorney when she met Bolin. Her marriage to Bolin on death row generated a lot of publicity at the time.

Oscar Ray Bolin was pronounced dead by lethal injection last night at 10:16 p.m. at Florida State Prison in Starke. The scheduled 6 p.m. execution time was delayed until the U.S. Supreme Court rejected Bolin's final appeal without comment.

The death warrant Scott signed in October was for the 1986 killing of Teri Lynn Matthews and 17-year-old Stephanie Collins. A jury also gave him the death penalty for killing 25-year-old Natalie Holley, but that verdict was thrown out because of legal errors. All three women were stabbed.

Another jury eventually found him guilty of second-degree murder in the Holley case.

Matthews' mother, Kathleen Reeves, and Collins' family were present for the execution. Reeves told The Associated Press it doesn't matter that Bolin was not executed for all three cases "because he only dies once." Ref: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oscar-ray-bo...n-florida/

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Man, there were a lot of trial errors, verdict reversals, and witness recantations in this case.

Interesting read: http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bolin-oscar.htm

I never knew there was such a thing murderpedia.com how cool is that!

Texas



Richard Masterson, 43, was pronounced dead at 6.53pm yesterday, 25 minutes after the lethal injection began.

'I'm all right with this,' he said. 'Sometimes you have to live and die by the choices you make. I made mine and I'm paying for it.' As the drug Pentobarbital took effect, he began snoring. After about a dozen snores, he stopped moving.

Masterson had testified at his trial that the death of 35-year-old Darin Shane Honeycutt in Houston happened accidentally during a chokehold that was part of a sex act. The two had met at a bar and then went to Honeycutt's apartment.

Honeycutt was an entertainer who performed dressed as a woman. Honeycutt's stage name was Brandi Houston.

However, court records showed Masterson confessed to police, told others about the killing and acknowledged Honeycutt was slain on purpose in a letter to the Texas attorney general in 2012.

Masterson's case recently drew the attention of Pope Francis, who has reinforced the Catholic Church's opposition to capital punishment.

Texas is the nation's busiest death penalty state, having carried out 13 lethal injections in 2015, which accounted for nearly half of the 28 executions nationwide.

At least eight other Texas death row inmates have executions scheduled for the coming months, including one set for next week.

Full story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z3xu1Y90cC

I know these people don't have a choice, they are going to be put to death no matter what but all that I've read about seem to be so nonchalant. I'm not going to the death chamber quietly, I'm making a spectacle of myself the entire walk. I probably shouldn't say walk because they'd be draggin' my ass.

I watched an old movie once I think James Cagney was in it. He was a tough guy and he was reminiscing throughout the entire movie before he went to the final scene in the chair. He played a tough guy that the street kids all looked up to and a priest talked him into going to the chair crying and screaming so the papers would proclaim that the "tough guy" went to his death crying and screaming so the street kids would realize that tough guy criminals are human and not so tough in the end. It was all an act and a last show of goodness to try and straighten the kids out so they would go down the right path when they realized their hero was not so tough. It was a good movie.
Back then people realized how bad juvenile delinquency had become in the 40's and 50's. Hollywood started making movies that portrayed thugs as assholes because a bunch of religious organizations said movies were making kids think mobsters were cool. The producers and directors agreed and an entire slew of movies were made saying as much. It was effective.

Georgia -- Execution after 37 years on death row

Georgia executed a 72-year-old man, its oldest death row inmate, early Wednesday for the killing of a convenience store manager during a robbery decades ago.


^ Brandon Astor Jones was pronounced dead at 12:46 a.m. Wednesday after an injection of the barbiturate pentobarbital at the state prison in Jackson. He was convicted in the 1979 shooting death of suburban Atlanta store manager Roger Tackett.

Georgia doesn't announce exactly when lethal injections begin, and the injection isn't visible to observers. But the warden left the execution chamber at 12:30 a.m., and records from past executions show the lethal drug generally begins to flow within a minute or two of the warden's departure.

Jones' lawyers argued the state's execution method carries "a substantial risk of significant harm," violating his constitutional right against cruel and unusual punishment. But because of the secrecy law, they argued, they don't have enough information to make that claim, which violates his constitutional right to due process.

Three-judge panels of the 11^th Circuit had already rejected similar arguments, setting a binding precedent. But because of divided opinions expressed by judges on those panels, Jones' lawyers asked the full 11-judge court to consider their arguments. The court on Tuesday voted 6-5 to deny that review, but several judges offered strongly worded dissenting opinions.

"Today Brandon Jones will be executed, possibly in violation of the Constitution. He may also be cruelly and unusually punished in the process. But if he is, we will not know until it's too late - if ever," wrote Circuit Judge Robin S. Rosenbaum, adding that she believes the secrecy law denies Georgia death row inmates of their due process rights and may deprive them of their right to access to the courts.

According to evidence at his trial, Jones and another man, Van Roosevelt Solomon, were arrested at a Cobb County store by a policeman who had driven a stranded motorist there to use a pay phone about 1:45 a.m. on June 17, 1979. The officer knew the store usually closed at midnight and was suspicious when he saw a car out front with the driver's door open and lights still on in the store. The officer found the store manager shot to death. Tests showed both Solomon and Jones had recently fired a gun.

Jones was convicted in October 1979 and sentenced to death. A federal judge in 1989 ordered a new sentencing hearing because jurors had improperly been allowed to bring a Bible into the deliberation room. He was resentenced to death in 1997. Solomon, who was also convicted and sentenced to death, was executed in Georgia's electric chair in February 1985.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgia-exec...inmate-72/