When I was young in grammar school and later in H.S. I would bring my shotgun to school because I had gone hunting that morning. I could bring my gun to school and leave it in the principals office then get it back when I left school. It was a much simpler time when society was a bit more tolerant.
Today the U.S. has failed in the upbringing of their children, shielding them from the world and codling them into a world of selfish, entitled assholes. The country you are in is much like America was 40 yrs ago. Give it time.
Today people are gun shy in our schools the established "leaders" have become so politically correct that when a gun comes out everyone runs for the hills as if goblins have been released out of a box.
The U.S. can never go back now, it has been over run with self created nutcases.

Well, I guess it was a different time before Alamo Mr. Crocket.

(12-04-2015, 01:28 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(12-04-2015, 12:59 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: I don't rely on what "guys say" as facts Mo. The statistics I posted are validated.

All data/stats in the VOX piece and charts are directly sourced within the piece http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun...es-america

When you copy and paste text from somewhere else, Gunnar, it would be appreciated if you would acknowledge/link the original source. I'm not being anal, just careful about infringement issues.

Nah, I just won't copy and paste anymore. Everybody has access to google if they feel the need to call me out on my stats. I research my shit before I comment. To be clear, I'm all for doing whatever it takes to change the course of the current tragic events. I'm just not going to get behind gun legislation being the answer. Just making something illegal won't protect the public, and in the end I think what everyone here is after is public safety. It's proven ineffective and when legislators start making laws because the feel as though "they need to do SOMETHING FAST" we end up with laws like the Patriot act. It's dangerous and today, too many people immediately push to legislate their problems away. I personally don't want more government in my life. I think our government has too much power as it is now. Making more laws that have no real effect on what we're trying to prevent has no appeal to me. It's just more "security theater."

It's up to you whether you copy and paste or not, Gunnar.

Copying and pasting content isn't the problem and it's not a question of "calling you out"; it's standard protocol for everyone here and on any board to give attribution to the original source. It's also something that LC felt strongly about, for good reason. It's not personal.

In any event, since you offered, can you please post up the research you did/found to support the stats you posted? Thanks.

(12-04-2015, 01:41 PM)Mohammed Wrote: Well, I guess it was a different time before Alamo Mr. Crocket.

Well............I do still have a coon skin cap. I keep it tidy with afro sheen.

Australian Institute of Criminology, Crime Prevention Research Center, National Center for Policy Analysis

On a side note VOX is right up there with the national enquirer that's sold in most supermarkets when checking out.

I like VOX for images and they source their data, so difference of opinion Mags.

I like the Daily Mail for photos too, though I typically disregard their content if it's unsourced.

Anyway, I don't care who likes what sources and that's not subject to board/internet protocol. But, if you copy and paste opinion/content that you did not author, you need to give credit to the original source. It's not difficult.

I agree as there were a few lawsuits going on that specifically targeted sites that did not identify sources. That has kinda calmed down as 60% of the suits were dismissed but they are still out there........watching........waiting.

(12-04-2015, 02:14 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: if you copy and paste opinion/content that you did not author, you need to give credit to the original source. It's not difficult.

Mock would get in some shit if anyone cared to pursue a complaint. I haven't had to think about that in a long time because everyone is pretty good about crediting their source but I have received emails in the past regarding content.

I've also received emails from people whose stories have been posted in Mock. They have found their name on Mock after googling themself, they request the info be taken down but I always decline. Mock isn't obligated to do that when it's public knowledge.

(12-04-2015, 11:35 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(12-03-2015, 06:56 PM)crash Wrote:

(12-03-2015, 06:35 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(12-03-2015, 06:08 PM)crash Wrote: I didn't photoshop anything, just copied the link..

So we found yet another thing that you suck at. Great work in here today folks!

Ooo...a bit of butt hurt? Bit close to the truth?

Bah..the only thing we found is that you suck at comprehension, well reconfirmed really, and you feel the need to jump in at every turn and defend your gun toting buddy, FU.

You and crayla would make a great couple; you know, grasps on reality at about the same level and all..

Swing and a miss. Again... Is this your first time on the internet? Here's some more interesting data points for your crusade of how successful Australias gun laws are:
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent).

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them.

Thanks for the tirade, but tl;dr

But for a swing and a miss, sure looks like it touched a nerve...again.

Crime stats are irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is that we haven't had a mass shooting in NINETEEN years.

The US has one a DAY.

At the rate we reproduce and allow people to enter our country, either legally or illegally, we could have two a day and we wont run out of people . . . ever.
Rat-a-tat-tat, rat-a-tat-tat.

(12-04-2015, 10:31 PM)afraidforallofus Wrote: Crime stats are irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is that we haven't had a mass shooting in NINETEEN years.

The US has one a DAY.

That's stretching it a bit.

Ok, so it's one a week, big freakin' deal. It's becoming somewhat of an American Tradition, like Halloween or Thanksgiving, just so much more often.

WOODLAND, Wash. — Officials in Cowlitz County say a southern Washington man managed to keep a pair of suspected burglars at bay until the cops showed up. Now, the local sheriff's office is applauding his efforts.

He even made the perps call 911 on themselves.

353 mass shootings (at least four victims, not mass killings) year to date

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

Australia, none since 1996

It used to be quite shocking when this type of thing occurred, not so much anymore. If anything, I feel blase.

The statistic on gun deaths in Oz is a stretch.

I might avoid Colombia.........

You're talking deaths but I'm talking mass shootings