It's a farce. Where else in the country can you attempt to murder someone in cold blood and get away with a wrist slap. I hope the judge takes a good, hard look at their previous behavior and gives them the maximum sentence allowed under the law. Their actions show they are a menace to society.

She'd never going to learn this way.

(05-25-2016, 01:06 PM)ramseycat Wrote: She'd never going to learn this way.

She's never going to learn period. How many times does someone have to be arrested before it sinks in that you're living your life the wrong way? This isn't her first rodeo, here's a few of her mugshots, there's more. She's a repeat offender, it appears she's been in trouble her whole life.

I agree. Maytee Clarke is beyond rehabilitation.

When you're still getting busted for crimes after you have kids and after one of your kids is murdered, you're probably a lost cause. In my opinion.

I still hope that the testimony in Ramirez's trial reveals some new details pertaining to the murders of Johnny and Lisa. Why did the Clarkes end up striking at Tiffany as opposed to all of the other 'maggots' they accused of being involved? Did Ramirez steer them in that direction based on internal police reports or did he simply, for some reason, provide surveillance on Tiffany on their request?

It's also not clear to me anymore if Maytee was actually with Big John when he took the shots. Based on the latest, it seems Maytee took a call from Ramirez reporting on where Tiffany could be found and relayed that to her husband, who then shot at Tiffany. It's not clear to me whether she with him at the time or not. It doesn't really matter legally at this point, I'm just curious.

That first pic always creeps me out. I wonder if she beat her kids with wire hangars?

(05-25-2016, 01:27 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I agree. Maytee Clarke is beyond rehabilitation.

When you're still getting busted for crimes after you have kids and after one of your kids is murdered, you're probably a lost cause. In my opinion.

I still hope that the testimony in Ramirez's trial reveals some new details pertaining to the murders of Johnny and Lisa. Why did the Clarkes end up striking at Tiffany as opposed to all of the other 'maggots' they accused of being involved? Did Ramirez steer them in that direction based on internal police reports or did he simply, for some reason, provide surveillance on Tiffany on their request?

It's also not clear to me anymore if Maytee was actually with Big John when he took the shots. Based on the latest, it seems Maytee took a call from Ramirez reporting on where Tiffany could be found and relayed that to her husband, who then shot at Tiffany. It's not clear to me whether she with him at the time or not. It doesn't really matter legally at this point, I'm just curious.

I found this post on page 1716 it was your post Hair of the dog..Confirmations and New Details revealed in the doc:

1. Immediately after the incident, Tiffany positively identified John Clarke as the man who shot at her and Maytee Clarke as the female who was with him at the time. Tiffany also described the vehicle.

2. Police immediately sent several units to the Clarke home, where they observed John Clarke and Maytee Clarke fighting on the front yard and the vehicle parked outside.

3. When the couple saw the police, they ran into the dwelling.

4. Maytee told police that only her son was in the home. Police entered the dwelling (without explicit consent); a male child (son) and a female (not identified) were observed inside the home.

5. Police searched the premises and found John Clarke hiding in the basement.

6. Upon his arrest, police contend that John Clarke gave them consent to search his vehicle for a hand gun; no hand gun was found in the vehicle.

In this State's Response to Motion to Suppress doc filed on 7/20/2015, the State (prosecution) contends that Toledo police officers did not violate the fourth amendment's protection against unwarranted/unreasonable search and seizure because: (a) the officers had Probable Cause to enter the dwelling, (b) the officers were in "hot pursuit" of a suspect believed to be armed and dangerous, and (c ) there existed exigent circumstances.

^ That's my recap of the doc; I'll try to convert the PDF to text and paste it too.


This makes it sound like Tiffany said Maytee was with John that night.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm wondering about, ButterflyGirl.

I'm wondering if what was previously reported or how it was interpreted was accurate.

Some of the current reporting in regards to the plea makes it sound like maybe Ramirez called Maytee, Maytee dispatched John, and John was at the scene alone. There's been some confusing and inconsistent reporting between court docs and the limited media coverage.

John's charge was reduced from 'attempted murder' back down to 'felonious assault'. Maytee's reduced charges amount only to 'retaliation'. I think she was there and she's just as guilty in my mind either way. But, I was really hoping to hear the account of how it all went down in sworn testimony. If Ramirez doesn't end up taking a plea, I hope it comes out at his trial.

(06-11-2015, 07:23 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: My question is: Who will plead out first?

Big Pussy John already has a history of taking a plea.

Not too big of a leap that he'll take another.

She'll take one, too.

Neither one has the stones to cop to their actions.

So much for the promises to avenge Johnny. Phony tough talk.

I'd be mortified to not only have criminal parents, but parents who are lying pussies, too.

I should have put money on this prediction. Not a real money maker . . . even odds at best.

No matter.

These criminal, cowardly, pieces of shit HAVE now shown their true and predictable colors.

There is no question why "kitty" Johnny was a quivering, gutless pussy, too.

I'm betting he was begging and crying . . . like a little bitch . . . before he wore the plastic bag.

I'll bet, "Big Pussy" and Criminal Mom Maytee were begging and crying, just like their pussy son because they, too, couldn't "man up" and take responsibility for their deeds and boasts.

So they jumped at the chance to snitch!

And they'll say anything . . . ANYTHING . . . to put this whole thing on Ramirez . . . because, with a plea, my guess is these criminal cowards have immunity.

Let's see if either apologizes to TW.

The real Justice for Johnny has finally come.

We all now know why he was such a little pussy, braggart and criminal.

He learned from his piece of shit, cowardly, criminal, lying parents.

And this fact is confirmed by their pleas.

What a pair! Fucking role models for the ages!

They got away with trying to kill somebody, they rolled over like a dog.

(06-04-2016, 05:31 AM)Duchess Wrote:

They got away with trying to kill somebody . . . .

Perhaps you should abandon the notion that we have a Justice System.

I did . . . years ago.

To me, it's a Judicial System.

See the stats on how many criminal indictments actually go to trial.

Follow the money.

From Johnny's Memorial for Obituary

June 16, 2016
Matthew 26:52-54

Then Jesus said to him, Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?

In Luke 22:37-39 Jesus explains it is good to be appropriately armed.

In Proverbs 25:21-22 and Romans 12:17, Scriptures say to not repay evil with evil, but to bless your enemies.

In Matthew 5:39, Jesus said if someone slaps your right cheek, offer them your left as well.

Now in In Luke 22:36, Jesus advised His disciples to take swords along with their other provisions

So what is the difference between when and how to use weapons as described in the bible is all about the timing and situation. If you are in a situation with an unknown aggressor that has an unknown intent, as in Exodus 22:2, it is okay to use self-defense. Yet if the offense has already occurred, as in Proverbs 25 and Romans 12, one shouldn't take the law into their own hands, but seek justice through the authorities instead.

Then let us not forget the ultimate commandment of Thou Shalt Not Kill. It's that simple and doesn't have no exceptions to it.
~ Mamma
- See more at: http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/toledob...42FJn.dpuf

She is crazy ! Her and John stalked Tiffany and tried to kill her. Does she believe this bullshit she posts???? She sure doesn't follow it.

Absolutely certifiable .

What a dumb Fuck...

A retired Toledo police officer facing multiple charges relating to a non injury shooting was indicted Thursday on a new charge stemming from the same incident.

Frank Ramirez, 59, of the 5900 block of Tetherwood Drive, was indicted for discharge of a firearm over a highway, a third-degree felony. He is to go to trial Aug. 29 in Lucas County Common Pleas Court for attempted murder, felonious assault, obstructing justice, and tampering with evidence for allegedly assisting in a Dec. 26, 2014, attempt by John Clarke and Maytee Vazquez-Clarke to shoot and kill a woman in the 1300 block of Colburn Avenue in South Toledo.

The Clarkes, who entered into plea agreements in the case in May, are scheduled to be sentenced July 8.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Courts/2016/0...harge.html

He's a dirty cop. Crashed one of my sons birthday party just because he could.

He's going to jail for a good, long time and won't be crashing anyone's party ever again. Although, he does have shit for brains so I may have spoken too soon.

Rescheduled for sentencing on September 2, 2016 at 9:00 a.m.

7/8/2016 1 Title : MIS:CASE CONTINUED
72-000045499 issued by 381 ()
Dated July 08, 2016. Court Reporter LYNETTE SHINDORF
ordered. State of Ohio: BRAIN DECKERT. RONNIE L. WINGATE
present on behalf of the defendant. Defendant, JOHN
CLARKE present in court.
Matter called for sentencing. Pursuant to the request of
both the State of Ohio and defendant matter rescheduled
for sentencing on September 2, 2016 at 9:00 a.m.
Bond is continued.
JUDGE GENE A. ZMUDA
PARTY : D1 - CLARKE JOHN
7/8/2016 3 Title : MIS:CASE CONT AT JOINT REQUEST
72-000045500 issued by 381 ()
Dated July 08, 2016. Court Reporter LYNETTE SHINDORF
ordered. State of Ohio: BRIAN DECKERT. JEROME PHILLIPS
present on behalf of the defendant. Defendant, MAYTEE
CLARKE present in court.
Matter called for sentencing. Pursuant to the request of
both the State of Ohio and Defendant matter rescheduled
for sentencing on September 2, 2016 at 9:00 a.m.
Bond is continued.
JUDGE GENE A. ZMUDA
PARTY : D2 - CLARKE MAYTEE

Do you think this will every be over ??

It feels like the Criminal Clarkes' saga will never end.

Interesting that the State of Ohio wants to postpone John and Maytees' sentencing until after Ramirez's scheduled trial in August.

I wonder if they will be testifying against Ramirez and their sentences will be partially contingent on that testimony.

(07-10-2016, 02:20 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Interesting that the State of Ohio wants to postpone John and Maytees' sentencing until after Ramirez's scheduled trial in August.

It certainly is. I like it!

Maytee and Johns Police friend was arrested again.

Ramirez, Frank Book Dttm: 08/15/2016 14:51
Charge Court Charge
1-1 Lucas Co C.P. Improperly Handling Firearms In Motor Vehicle.
Arresting Agency: Lucas County Sheriff
Arrest Dttm: 08/15/2016 14:30
Current Status:
Released On
08/15/2016 15:20