(11-03-2016, 09:24 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(11-03-2016, 05:32 AM)Duchess Wrote:

I can't bear to see Tiki support Trump.

I think I'm in the minority. I believe this is probably the most exciting and representational election in history.

For years, Americans expressed a desire for a woman candidate or an outsider. America got both . . . warts and all.

In hindsight, maybe the wish shouldn't have been this general.

When I hear a candidate speak of American opposition voters in the following terms, I don't feel the love . . . I feel labeled.

"To just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it.”

Labeled . . . in the same way Hillary condemns Trump for labeling others.

In all fairness, she did say she regretted saying "half" and I believe her.

Three days ago, she had this to say:

"I am sick and tired of the negative, dark, divisive, dangerous vision and behavior of people who support Donald Trump,”

This time, no percentage qualifier.

Of course she regretted saying "half" . . . clearly, she meant "all".

And this time, no retraction or apology.

I don't see Hillary as a healer.

I'm tired of entrenched, biased, political cronyism and the rampant abuses of self-serving "public servants".

Trump is my option to express my disdain . . . warts and all.

You catch Hilary's highlight of her rally at ASU yesterday? Ride Bill's coattails baby RIDE!!!

Missed it.

What did she say . . . AZ voted for Bill so you owe it to me, too?

Bill doesn't fuck Mexicans, so your wives and daughters are safe?

Bill and I made a deal with Satan. That's why we love the Sun Devils!?

PAC 12 . . . that's three times more than Bill packs?

(11-03-2016, 10:13 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: Missed it.

What did she say . . . AZ voted for Bill so you owe it to me, too?

Bill doesn't fuck Mexicans, so your wives and daughters are safe?

Bill and I made a deal with Satan. That's why we love the Sun Devils!?

PAC 12 . . . that's three times more than Bill packs?

Something like that, but Trump is still leading in Arizona with 49%

(11-02-2016, 11:16 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(11-02-2016, 06:55 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: Maybe because she is a woman.....There are too many controlling politicians in Washington, D.C. that will choke on saying "Madam President." Many are in denial, but it still is the double standard. Trump is excused for all of his obnoxious and illegal behavior and suggesting a "hit" on Hillary, etc....many laugh about it, but let Hillary even breathe incorrectly and it makes front page news. She has had to work twice as hard as any man would and she has earned a lot of respect over the years......Was it here on Mock that I read she was most admired woman for many years and that was o.k. as long as she didn't run for President...
If you really study and research what Herr Trump has done in the past, I don't know why you would vote for this piece of shit, seriously.......he has destroyed the traditional Republican party which did an O.K. job of keeping discrimination and hate under wraps....and they didn't openly make fools of themselves each and every day......Now, it is O.K. to hate minorities, make threats against Hillary Clinton about taking her life, and the KKK and David Duke just love Trump......his supporters are now talking about a revolution if Hillary wins.....Is this really who you want as our President. Do you not think his relationship with Putin is more suspect and dangerous than any email on Hillary's computer.

I am not picking on you, but you have been fairly vocal, along with some others on here, about Trump being "the lesser of two evils," I think it was......

I heard Obama directly pose this question to the male attendees during his NC rally: "Why do you think we haven't had a woman president?"

Easy. You fucking stole the nomination from her!

If Clinton doesn't win, chauvinists and misogynists were the cause.

If Clinton wins AND anyone should question her policies or statements, the tirade of her nasty classifications of anyone who supported Trump will be the mantra.

It's gonna be the same "You're a racist" retort people got when disagreeing with Obama.

It's never been OK to hate and Trump does not encourage anyone to hate others.

At least Trump hasn't spewed vile remarks with marked regularity, as does Hillary, to supporters of the opposing candidate.

She has NO intention of being everyone's President. She's a hater.

News flash . . . The Republican Party hasn't been "traditional" for decades.

I goddammed laughed myself silly when I read Republicans did an OK job keeping discrimination and hate under wraps!

That's all I've heard from Obama and the Democrats for the past 8 years! Republicans hate and discriminate!

Trump did the country a favor by exposing these self-serving fucks . . . on both sides of the aisle and "pay for play" Hillary.

The fact that both major political parties loathe and fear him is an endorsement . . . NOT a liability to me.

And "No."

I don't see any relationship between Trump and Putin . . . just speculation.

I see far more situations supporting "pay for play" relationships with Hillary's camp and the Russians. There's a lotta smoke . . . lots more than with Trump.

Trump is an outsider. He's not a lawyer. He's unconventional.

That's why he gets my support . . . this time.

I have no fear for America either way this election goes.

I'm all Warren Zevon-ed.

I've got lawyers, guns and money.

And I can pass as a minority.

Your logic is self serving and flawed. You need to hop in the basket of deplorables and head for the Bermuda Triangle......without a compass, GPS, etc......or whatever. Being cynical is O.K.....you take it too far in your blind praise of the most despicable man in America who is creating home grown terrorists every day his ugly, hateful, fuckface is on the News. You have conned some into thinking you are intelligent, but you have proven to me that you are not.....and my perception is my reality. The most offensive thing you say is you don't care either way how the election goes....well, you should care and that is exactly the problem in this country......I regret that I ever thought you were smart......

BBH . . . my logic IS self-serving . . . it's MY reason for MY vote.

I'm not trying to sway anyone.

I'm sorry you once thought I was intelligent.

I've always acknowledged I'm a simpleton.

However, I'd like to close with this:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic.

We should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

Lots of anger there BH. I'm not even mad that you call other people stupid. It's almost over sweety.

(11-03-2016, 12:10 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: BBH . . . my logic IS self-serving . . . it's MY reason for MY vote.

I'm not trying to sway anyone.

I'm sorry you once thought I was intelligent.

I've always acknowledged I'm a simpleton.

However, I'd like to close with this:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic.

We should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

I'm pretty sure that's what this nation was built on wasn't it? Something about taxation without representation? Or am I thinking of another country all together? Could be. I'm not very smart either.

Donald Trump's mouth looks like a butt hole.

Well, this simpleton hasn't seen anybody here objecting to debating and disagreeing with the current administration.

Some of us just think Trump is a full-on dipshit and don't think bad change is better than little to no change. Other people think Trump is the best option and Clinton is an evil criminal who would destroy the country, etc.. And, we disagree and debate with each other over those differing opinions.

So it goes...

I wonder if his stink-whistle looks like a mouth?

(11-03-2016, 01:29 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I wonder if his stink-whistle looks like a mouth?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say yes. *shudders*

(11-03-2016, 01:19 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Some of us just think Trump is a full-on dipshit and don't think bad change is better than little to no change.

So it goes...

You know . . . I never, ever got that from any member's posts!

Is the Bermuda Triangle a new bikini wax coiffe?

I almost want this fucking piece of garbage Dump to win. You know he is going to fuck us up so terribly that congress will be going after his head in less than 12 months. I disagree with people saying we will be ok with either one... We are the laughing stock of the entire world at the moment and an economical debacle will be upon us if the clown takes office.

Talk to you all on Wednesday.

It's a good thing I never really care what anyone else thinks.

(11-03-2016, 01:51 PM)FunkyBurger Wrote: We are the laughing stock of the entire world at the moment . . .

I know.

But Obama will be gone in less than three months and then everyone can get back to laughing at France.

For BBH:
(1) Eleven years ago, Trump said on a secretly recorded tape that celebrities can do anything — even grab a woman’s p*ssy.

Hillary, born-again Victorian virgin, campaigns with Beyonce, who performs a duet with the words “curvalicious, p*ssy served delicious.”

Hillary is thrilled to have the support of Madonna — who has publicly offered to give blow jobs to anyone who votes for Hillary. (She’ll even remove her teeth!)

Hillary’s campaign has deployed Miley Cyrus to canvas for her — when Cyrus is not busy inviting men in the audience to reach up and grab her p*ssy. (Here’s a video of delicate flower Miley Cyrus in action.)

When Vernon Jordan was asked by CBS’ Mike Wallace what he talked about while golfing with Bill Clinton — aka Hillary’s husband — he answered: “P*ssy.”

Oh, and 11 years before Teddy Kennedy ran for president as the Conscience of the Democratic Party — he killed a girl. After grabbing her p*ssy.

(2) Trump’s a sexual predator!

Hillary’s husband is a well-established rapist, groper and pants-dropper. She’s his fixer.

Unlike the serial predations of her husband, leveled repeatedly throughout the decades, the timing of these 11^th-hour allegations against Trump make them highly suspect.

Recall that The New York Times spent months investigating Trump’s treatment of women earlier this year. The Newspaper of Record put its best reporters on the job, interviewed a dozen women, and the paper splashed the story on its front page. But the best the Times could come up with was a story about Trump, as a bachelor, publicly praising a model for looking great in a bikini at his pool party. Then they dated. The horror.

Five months later, just days before the election, there doesn’t seem to be a female Democrat who isn’t claiming to have been groped by Trump — and getting loads of fawning publicity.

(3) Trump doesn’t give enough to charity.

The media only counts “charitable giving” if it can be taken as a tax deduction with the IRS. When Trump spent time and money saving a Georgia family farm from foreclosure in the 1980s, for example, he didn’t get any tax write-off.

Hillary, by contrast, was a big philanthropist because, at about the same time, she was taking a deduction for donations of Bill’s used underwear — the modern equivalent of smallpox-laden blankets. Today, the munificent Clinton Foundation spends less than 10 percent of its revenues on actual charity, using about 90 percent for salaries, offices and travel.

(4) Several of Trump’s businesses went bankrupt.

Trump has created or helped create hundreds of businesses. Fewer than 10 went bankrupt. Hillary had one business, Whitewater Development Corp., and it went bankrupt — after ripping off scores of ordinary Americans. Also, a dozen prominent Arkansans went to prison in connection with sleazy financial transactions involving Whitewater.

(5) Trump University was a scam!

Approximately 10,000 graduates of Trump University were thrilled with the program and said so in writing. But a law firm that paid Hillary and Bill Clinton $675,000 for three speeches managed to find a handful of disgruntled students to be the named plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit against it.

Trump University was a minuscule portion of Trump’s portfolio. Whitewater was a huge part of Bill and Hillary’s get-rich-quick schemes, scamming the elderly, retirees and working-class Americans for the money-hungry Clintons.

As described by The Washington Post, people who bought property from the Whitewater Development Corp. were required to submit a down payment, followed by monthly payments, until the entire purchase price of the property was paid off. But if buyers missed a single payment for any reason, the entire transaction would be deemed null and void, and the property, as well as all prior payments, would be forfeited to the Whitewater corporation. No foreclosure proceeding, no court hearing, no due process.

More than half of Whitewater’s customers lost their entire investment. (See “Whitewater Repossessions; Sales Practice Benefited Clintons, Partners,” The Washington Post, April 21, 1994.)

Though Hillary had long claimed to have nothing to do with the operation of the business, when the books were finally opened, it turned out that the monthly checks were mailed to the Whitewater Development Corp. — “care of Hillary Rodham Clinton.” (See “Records Show Wider Role for Hillary Clinton; Whitewater Papers Detail Involvement,” The Washington Post, April 21, 1994.)

(6) We can’t allow Trump access to nuclear codes!

Hillary is the one who is champing at the bit to go to war with Russia, which, I am reliably informed, is a nuclear power.

At least Hillary’s adept at dealing with sensitive digital information. Huma! Quick! Are the nuclear launch codes on my Blackberry, my desktop thingy or my Facebook page?

Compared to Hillary, we’d be safer if the nuclear codes were held by Miley Cyrus (unless she kept them in her p*ssy).

(7) Trump’s temperament will get us into World War III.

Hillary’s temperament drove her to push for intervention in the Libyan civil war against Moammar Gadhafi for the sole purpose of giving her a foreign policy success that could be all her own.

Obama was skeptical. Libya was Hillary’s baby. (Sidney Blumenthal’s email to Hillary: “First, brava! This is a historic moment and you will be credited for realizing it.”)

After Gadhafi was killed, Hillary’s temperament led her to go on TV and laughingly say, “We came. We saw. He died.”

Unfortunately, Hillary hadn’t given the slightest thought to what would come next. What came next was: the Muslim Brotherhood, the murder of Americans in Benghazi and millions of refugees pouring into Western Europe.

(8) Trump failed to denounce David Duke with the ferocity deemed sufficient by our media.

No one even knows if Duke actually exists or is just a phantom produced by the media every four years to smear Republicans.

I know that no one has ever been incited to commit murder after listening to a David Duke speech. Lots of people have been murdered by someone who’d just heard an Al Sharpton speech: seven at Freddy’s Fashion Mart in Harlem, and one Orthodox Jew, plus one Italian mistaken for a Jew, in Crown Heights.

Hillary has not disavowed Sharpton — nor would our media be so rude as to ask.

The mother of Ferguson thug Mike Brown, Lesley McSpadden, campaigns with Hillary — she even took the stage at the Democratic National Convention. The father of Omar Mateen, the Orlando nightclub shooter, appeared on stage behind Hillary at a rally.

If the media won’t ask her to “disavow” the relatives of criminals and terrorists featured at her events, could they at least ask her if she approves of their parenting techniques?

(9) Trump is a “racist” because of his plan to remove Muslim jihadists, Mexican drug dealers and rapists from our country.

Apart from the fact that “drug dealer,” “rapist” and “jihadist” are not races, we didn’t do anything to Muslims or Mexicans, except send them billions of dollars in foreign aid. The only “racism” Americans care about is that toward black Americans. We did something to them.

Hillary asks blacks to vote for her, then vows to bring in millions of Muslims and Mexicans to take their jobs — the ones that “Americans just won’t do.” That’s racism.

(10) Trump “fat-shamed” Miss Universe!

No, he didn’t — he saved her crown and she was grateful. It’s on tape.

But more importantly, the Miss Universe in question is Alicia Machado, well-known in Venezuela as a publicity-seeking clown.

Machado is credibly accused of: driving the getaway car in an attempted murder; threatening to kill a federal judge; and being the baby mama to drug cartel kingpin Gerardo Alvarez-Vazquez, who was on the State Department’s “Most Wanted” list under — let’s see, checking my notes — Hillary Clinton.

Until 1975, everyone would have realized that it’s stupid to bring in single mothers with no marketable job skills, to add to the dependent class. If we did bring them in, politicians wouldn’t proudly introduce them at rallies.

But Machado is Hillary’s model immigrant. Her only job skill is voting. Upside: Hillary gets another vote. Downside: You’ll be supporting Machado and her anchor baby for the rest of their lives, America.

(11) Trump is challenging the very foundation of our democracy by saying elections are rigged!

They are rigged — ask former Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota, whose 2008 election was provably stolen from him when more than a thousand ineligible felons voted for Al Franken in a race Coleman lost by 312 votes. (At least it wasn’t an important election: Franken provided the 60^th, and deciding, vote to pass Obamacare.)

In any event, Hillary says the election is rigged, too — by the Russkies!

The Democrats and the media have gone full John Birch Society on us. There’s a fifth column in America — and their leader is Donald Trump!!!

This is a marked departure from their previous cosmopolitan sangfroid about communism. We could have really used this fighting spirit during the Cold War. Instead, we got Jimmy Carter warning Americans about their “inordinate fear of communism.”

Today, bad-ass, eye-rolling journalists are somberly announcing: “I have in my hand a list — a list of Donald Trump supporters, who are a conscious, articulate instrument of the Russian conspiracy …”

(12) Trump is shallow, has a microscopic attention span and has not studied political issues deeply.

On the other hand, he has a good heart, good judgment and wants the right outcome for America: limits on immigration, fair trade deals, the elimination of Wall Street tax breaks and no more pointless Middle East wars.

Hillary doesn’t want any of these things. She is good at memorizing all her little facts, but is deeply evil. She wakes up early in the morning to make sure she does the wrong thing for America.

(13) Trump has personal baggage.

This election is not about Trump. It’s never been about Trump. Anyone running on his platform of putting Americans first would be torn to shreds.

There are probably lots of bad things Trump’s done in his personal life in the past. The ruling class wants Hillary to do bad things to our country in the future. _________________________
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.

We can do this all day long.

That was pretty good.

(11-03-2016, 02:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: That was pretty good.

And I don't support either. I'm going to write in, so Trump will likely get my vote because it looks like Az will be Trump territory.

(11-02-2016, 06:24 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: If the Dems take back the senate... how did Billy Joel sing it back in 1977?

You can pay Uncle Sam with the overtime.

Is that all you get for your money?

Tax, spend, tax, spend, tax...

I think there's a good chance of the Democrats taking back control of the Senate and I sure hope they do.

Several of the 24 Senate Republican incumbents up for re-election are going to lose to their Democratic challengers and the 10 Democrat incumbents up for re-election are all going to keep their seats, no doubt about it, in my opinion.

Currently, the Senate is split 54 / 46 in favor of Republicans. The Democrats have a real shot at winning 4 of the current Republican seats, maybe more. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Indiana, North Carolina, and New Hampshire look like real possibilities for Democratic challengers. I see a lot of talk about Rubio losing Florida, but I think he's safe, personally.

If the Dems win 5 or more of current Republican seats, regardless of who's elected President, they'll take over the Senate majority.

If the Dems win 4 and Hillary is elected, majority goes to the Democrats, with Kaine being the tie-breaker. If the Dems win 4 and Trump is elected, majority stays with the Republicans, with Pence as the tie-breaker.

I wish the Democrats had a shot at 60 Senate seats or more to prevent the possibility of Republican senators obstructing a full Supreme Court if Clinton is elected, but don't think there's any way in hell that's gonna happen.

Anyway, according to the plans they've put forth, you might see less spending and debt under a Clinton presidency than a Trump presidency, regardless of which party rules the Senate.

Trump wants to cut everyone's taxes from where they are today and expand some areas of government bigly, which would substantially increase the debt. The latest iteration of his proposal says he'll cut 70% of economic regulations to help cover the deficit. I don't think that's realistic, personally, and most non-partisan economists agree that Trump's plans will be worse for the country fiscally than Clinton's. What he's proposed is definitely 'outside' existing Republican and Conservative conventional wisdom.

Clinton wants to keep taxes about the same for everyone but the top 10% (who'd see tax hikes), expand some areas of government, pay for those expansions and maybe some of the current debt with the increased taxes, and either leave a large portion of the existing debt about where it is or pay it down in some currently unspecified way (I haven't seen debt reduction addressed succinctly by either Clinton or Trump so far).