(01-25-2017, 01:06 PM)Maggot Wrote: Because Trump is not the media darling Obama was. Everything Trump does will be reported using only the bad talking points. Instead of saying "this may be contested" they will say "this is the most devastating thing that could ever happen" funny how organizations get testy when they get slapped around a bit and called on their downright stupidity.

I watched a few cable media news stations for the first time in a couple of weeks.

It was mentioned several times across the board about how much Trump was doing to keep some of his campaign promises in a short time. There were also interviews with Trump supporters on CNN which were very interesting and respectful. They explained their reasons for voting for Trump articulately.

Several of the Trump supporters also expressed serious concerns with a few of Trump's proposals and statements, but they want change and say they'll hold his feet to the fire when it comes to the positive promises he made to them and they're hoping for the best.

Of course, the networks also focused on Trump's insisting that unsubstantiated and proven-false claims are facts, again. To some, even those of us who are giving Trump a chance, that's very concerning for many good reasons. Two of the networks interviewed Republican congresspersons (including Trump supporters) and none of them would agree with Trump's unsubstantiated and false claims or his habit of repeating conspiracy theories as President of the U.S.

We have a free press in this country and it matters to most Americans, regardless of party, that the media reports both the good and the bad -- it's their job and it's important in a democracy. Some stations repeat the bad over and over and over, while others repeat the good over and over and over. You have choices.

And FYI, no objective person that I know cares if people who swallow/spew falsehoods because they prefer them to facts (or due to blind loyalty) are condescending towards those of us who prefer reality, regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office, Maggot.

(01-25-2017, 12:41 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Pointing out bullshit you post as fact and asking you to defend your point when you want to argue about it isn't "losing shit", except in your mind, Gunnar. But, it's encouraging to see you actually attempting to know what you're talking about and then noting what amounts to your opinion on the subject. Gold star!

As far as the pipelines, I understand the points of pipeline advocates which you posted, and I understand your opinion that the pipelines are a good deal. I understand that the oil companies want to increase their transport lines in order to increase their revenues and profits as much as possible too; that's business.

I also understand the points of the pipeline objectors: even the newest piping technologies are not leak-risk free and water supply is of extreme importance to some of them (me too), continuing to invest in fossil fuels and temperature-increasing tar sand burning deters investment in renewable and clean energy (renewable energy which brings long term job and environmental advantages), fixing/upgrading the existing infrastructure would increase safety and also increase temporary construction jobs, etc...

So it's not bullshit if it's on the internet right? GTFOH. You just cray!

(01-25-2017, 01:51 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 01:06 PM)Maggot Wrote: Because Trump is not the media darling Obama was. Everything Trump does will be reported using only the bad talking points. Instead of saying "this may be contested" they will say "this is the most devastating thing that could ever happen" funny how organizations get testy when they get slapped around a bit and called on their downright stupidity.

I watched a few cable media news stations for the first time in a couple of weeks.

It was mentioned several times across the board about how much Trump was doing to keep some of his campaign promises in a short time. There were also interviews with Trump supporters on CNN which were very interesting and respectful. They explained their reasons for voting for Trump articulately.

Several of the Trump supporters also expressed serious concerns with a few of Trump's proposals and statements, but they want change and say they'll hold his feet to the fire when it comes to the positive promises he made to them and they're hoping for the best.

Of course, the networks also focused on Trump's insisting that unsubstantiated and proven-false claims are facts, again. To some, even those of us who are giving Trump a chance, that's very concerning for many good reasons. Two of the networks interviewed Republican congresspersons (including Trump supporters) and none of them would agree with Trump's unsubstantiated and false claims or his habit of repeating conspiracy theories as President of the U.S.

We have a free press in this country and it matters to most Americans, regardless of party, that the media reports both the good and the bad -- it's their job and it's important in a democracy. Some stations repeat the bad over and over and over, while others repeat the good over and over and over. You have choices.

And FYI, no objective person that I know cares if people who swallow/spew falsehoods because they prefer them to facts (or due to blind loyalty) are condescending towards those of us who prefer reality, regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office, Maggot.

This is why most news can be taken with a grain of salt until the real truth comes out. News outlets are quite partisan and if anyone cannot tell the difference they may be as numb as the organizations think they are.

(01-25-2017, 02:07 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 01:51 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 01:06 PM)Maggot Wrote: Because Trump is not the media darling Obama was. Everything Trump does will be reported using only the bad talking points. Instead of saying "this may be contested" they will say "this is the most devastating thing that could ever happen" funny how organizations get testy when they get slapped around a bit and called on their downright stupidity.

I watched a few cable media news stations for the first time in a couple of weeks.

It was mentioned several times across the board about how much Trump was doing to keep some of his campaign promises in a short time. There were also interviews with Trump supporters on CNN which were very interesting and respectful. They explained their reasons for voting for Trump articulately.

Several of the Trump supporters also expressed serious concerns with a few of Trump's proposals and statements, but they want change and say they'll hold his feet to the fire when it comes to the positive promises he made to them and they're hoping for the best.

Of course, the networks also focused on Trump's insisting that unsubstantiated and proven-false claims are facts, again. To some, even those of us who are giving Trump a chance, that's very concerning for many good reasons. Two of the networks interviewed Republican congresspersons (including Trump supporters) and none of them would agree with Trump's unsubstantiated and false claims or his habit of repeating conspiracy theories as President of the U.S.

We have a free press in this country and it matters to most Americans, regardless of party, that the media reports both the good and the bad -- it's their job and it's important in a democracy. Some stations repeat the bad over and over and over, while others repeat the good over and over and over. You have choices.

And FYI, no objective person that I know cares if people who swallow/spew falsehoods because they prefer them to facts (or due to blind loyalty) are condescending towards those of us who prefer reality, regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office, Maggot.

This is why most news can be taken with a grain of salt until the real truth comes out. News outlets are quite partisan and if anyone cannot tell the difference they may be as numb as the organizations think they are.

Show me a non-partisan news source and I will show you a naive viewer.

Immigration

Trump signed an Executive Order today to Build That Wall!

Who's gonna pay for it?! The U.S. taxpayers!! We will be paying for the estimated $8 billion - $25 billion project IF Trump can get the Republican Congress to green-light the budget for it.

It's not a sure thing that Congress will approve the budget given that immigration from Mexico is at a 40-year low already, more Mexicans are leaving the country than coming in, some U.S. industries depend on Mexican immigrants to stay afloat, and there are no details nor an agreement from the Mexican government to reimburse the U.S. for the costs. So, we'll see where it goes.

I don't care about the wall other than the cost of it. Immigration reform is much more important and effective in addressing the issue intelligently, in my opinion.

The bi-partisan congressional group, which included Ryan and Rubio, who had been working on reasonable comprehensive immigration reform made good progress; too bad Congress stalled their work and the 2016 election rhetoric made bad guys out of good guys on this issue (in my opinion).

Also, Trump will also continue Obama's immigration enforcement policy of actively deporting undocumented immigrants with criminal records, which is good. President Obama deported more such immigrants than many of his predecessors combined.

Story: http://thehill.com/homenews/administrati...order-wall

(01-25-2017, 01:10 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(01-24-2017, 09:29 PM)sally Wrote: I'm able to ignore his personality, in fact I think it's funny. I don't care one bit that he's uncouth and I'm not going out of my way to nitpick everything he's says. But I do care about the decisions he makes and I don't want them to be reckless ones. I don't know that I much agree with the global gag rule or the pipeline. I haven't researched any of this and I have a feeling he hasn't either.

Do you have an opinion about President Trump making it clear that the U.S. will go back to supporting Netanyahu's perspectives and actions, no matter what, sal?

I support some of Trump's proposals, am neutral on others, and object to several. His stance on Israel is one with which I object. I think President Obama was right to continue viewing Israel as an important ally, working to minimize the threat of nuclear war between Israel and Iran, and standing up to Netanyahu's settlement rhetoric and actions which ignore international law and conflict with Israel's previous commitments to move towards a two-state solution with the Palestinians.

The U.S. gives Israel $4 billion a year for "defense", which is much higher than our aide to any other country. I think that should be contingent upon Israel keeping it's commitments in regards to dealings with the Palestinians and Arab nations, personally.

Nope I don't like that either. Looks like Trump is going to allow them to move on with their settlement and wreak even more havoc over there. At a place that I don't feel they should have ever been in the first place. But my personal feelings are beside the point, I agreed with Obama that they are important allies, but they shouldn't get a free for all on America's dime.

I'm pro-Israel even if that means disappointing a lot of people.

I feel bad for peaceful Palestinians and Arabs.

They're stuck in a bad situation.

However, a weak/vulnerable Israel would be bad for the region overall IMO.

Secret Service Agent being investigated for saying: I would not take a bullet for President Trump!

Just read Trump daughter part of your voter fraud scam. You guys have such an invalid winner it is such a joke. Your election process was riddled with errors and cheating on a scale that the result cannot be taken seriously. So sad when some blindly accept it because their man is sitting in the big chair albeit fraudulently. They don't seem to get it's not about the winner it's about freedom and democracy.

And you can tell that all away on the other side of the world.

(01-25-2017, 10:17 PM)BigMark Wrote: And you can tell that all away on the other side of the world.

You idiot the fact you have an illegitimate leader isn't just common knowledge amongst the political junkies but ordinary folk such as myself.

I feel sorry for you and people like you because you are not able to use your brain to analyze and scrutinize information accurately. It's like a cult like mentality.

I have no horse in the race i am observing this objectively. I hope your country survives this man i truly do. I feel sorry for those whose lives he is going to hurt or die from his nasty heartless decisions.

I feel so so sad for Melania she is in a loveless marriage with what looks to me like a horrible sleazy man.

(01-25-2017, 06:23 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I'm pro-Israel even if that means disappointing a lot of people.

I feel bad for peaceful Palestinians and Arabs.

They're stuck in a bad situation.

However, a weak/vulnerable Israel would be bad for the region overall IMO.

I don't know who would be disappointed with you about that. I'm not.

I'm not anti-Israel, but I don't respect or agree with Netanyahu and his ways (neither do a lot of Israelis). He expects complete capitulation from the U.S. and other western allies, even when he's full of shit and gives the big middle finger to the world in terms of the West Bank settlement expansion and two-state commitment.

I also don't believe that the decades-old U.S. mindset that the Middle East would be a disaster without Israel is absolute. In my opinion, Israel can be as destabilizing as it is stabilizing, depending on its leadership (like most powerful countries).

Fucking Crayla

(01-25-2017, 07:24 PM)Duchess Wrote:

Fuck Yes! LOL this made my night.

(01-25-2017, 09:56 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: Just read Trump daughter part of your voter fraud scam. You guys have such an invalid winner it is such a joke. Your election process was riddled with errors and cheating on a scale that the result cannot be taken seriously. So sad when some blindly accept it because their man is sitting in the big chair albeit fraudulently. They don't seem to get it's not about the winner it's about freedom and democracy.

(01-25-2017, 11:38 PM)aussiefriend Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 10:17 PM)BigMark Wrote: And you can tell that all away on the other side of the world.

You idiot the fact you have an illegitimate leader isn't just common knowledge amongst the political junkies but ordinary folk such as myself.

I feel sorry for you and people like you because you are not able to use your brain to analyze and scrutinize information accurately. It's like a cult like mentality.

I have no horse in the race i am observing this objectively. I hope your country survives this man i truly do. I feel sorry for those whose lives he is going to hurt or die from his nasty heartless decisions.

I feel so so sad for Melania she is in a loveless marriage with what looks to me like a horrible sleazy man.

Don't rest on your laurels too much there, this thing is going to have an impact on the world. If you think you won't be impacted look again.
You can't sit there and say "Oh look at the poor little Americans, I feel so sorry for them" That sounds stupid.
It doesn't mean anything unless there is action to go along with that. I mean, you almost sound as if you speak from a place of privilege. #LuckyYou

(01-21-2017, 06:33 AM)Duchess Wrote:

Fuckface had to give up his Twitter account and get a brand new one as POTUS. Instead of using a photograph of all the people from his own inauguration he pilfered one from Obama's!

He's such a tool. Did he think no one was going to notice? Hahaha!

As far as I can tell he is using both. @RealDonaldTrump and @POTUS. He posts almost the same thing on each one.

Lovechild why would you say that about me? I am not condescending or patronizing I am trying to explain the rational to some very irrational thinking people. He has already cancelled a trade agreement the US had with Australia. It remains to be seen how much it will impact globally but definitely it will impact US of course. I feel afraid for those whose lives are in danger because of decisions or alliances he will make.

(01-21-2017, 03:55 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(01-21-2017, 03:18 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: I debated where to put this comment

I had just been wondering if we should have a thread dedicated to the 1^st amendment simply because I don't think today's march will be the end, I think it's the beginning.

I marched. It was a small community, but still very meaningful. Sorry i am flooding this thread, I didn't look to see if you created another one. I like that idea.

(01-26-2017, 01:49 AM)aussiefriend Wrote: Lovechild why would you say that about me? I am not condescending or patronizing I am trying to explain the rational to some very irrational thinking people. He has already cancelled a trade agreement the US had with Australia. It remains to be seen how much it will impact globally but definitely it will impact US of course. I feel afraid for those whose lives are in danger because of decisions or alliances he will make.

It really sounded like you were saying how unforunate it was for us and that you were not affected by it at all. It sounded like you were trying to have compassion, but it didn't come out as that way.
The only example I can come up with is if I passed a person laying on the ground who had fallen over and I just started telling them how sorry their situation was and said, "I hope a car doesn't run you over" that is pretty much the image I got in my head with you saying what you said.