(08-31-2018, 09:27 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: It's nice that you think my presence here at Mock will be fun for you FryGuy. It's mantastic. ")

Mock is often fun, and silly, and hilarious. It can also be thoughtful and educational on more serious topics, to me at least.

So, while it seems unlikely that I'll share your idea of fun much of the time, we all have the choice whether to engage or just move along.

Yes, no shit, Snowflake.

(08-31-2018, 09:46 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The Republican Trump-loyalists and FOX are now insisting that Bruce Ohr is guilty of something (maybe even a felony!).  

Since Ohr acknowledged to House Republicans that he provided updates from Steele to the Special Prosecutors because they were investigating related claims and it wasn't in his lane to vet ...............some of the hard-line Freedom Caucus Republicans are using that in attempt to discredit or shut down Mueller.

Democrat lawmakers say Ohr did nothing wrong.  He simply passed on what he received to the appropriate channels.

Details:  https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/d...n-grilling

I don't think the attacks on the Justice Department are gonna end until Mueller's team finishes its work and reports its findings, and maybe not even then (if they don't like the findings).

Of course they are. I used to think they didn't understand the protocol but now I feel certain they just don't care about facts nor procedure.

As an aside, both Bruce Ohr and Andy McCabe are experts in Russian organized crime & money laundering.

(08-31-2018, 09:46 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(08-31-2018, 09:25 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-31-2018, 01:39 AM)Rootilda Wrote: she makes a compelling case.

She usually does but, the best part is the evidence she presents to backup why she reached the conclusion she did.

The Republican Trump-loyalists and FOX are now insisting that Bruce Ohr is guilty of something (maybe even a felony!).  

Since Ohr acknowledged to House Republicans that he provided updates from Steele to the Special Prosecutors because they were investigating related claims and it wasn't in his lane to vet ...............some of the hard-line Freedom Caucus Republicans are using that in attempt to discredit or shut down Mueller.

Democrat lawmakers say Ohr did nothing wrong.  He simply passed on what he received to the appropriate channels.

Details:  https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/d...n-grilling

I don't think the attacks on the Justice Department are gonna end until Mueller's team finishes its work and reports its findings, and maybe not even then (if they don't like the findings).

Here is my reading (for those who are not about to fall out their fainting couches begging for smelling salts and whinging about the Patriarchy) Bruce Ohr (and no doubt others) were no doubt decent and hardworking, highly qualified, intelligent people who had put in great work in their lifetimes. Life was going well and they were appropriately rewarded for exemplary service. Then they were faced with the very real situation that Donald "you're fired"Trump was going to be President. They could not swallow that. They hated him and realised that time was short and big calls and brave steps were going to have to be made to make sure that he never served a day as President, because only making absolute sure he did not become President would America be safe and protected. That was their job. They were doing this with love for America. The forefathers never would have suspected someone like Trump could seriously contend a Presidency. The normal rulebook was out.

So with this understanding, Bruce Ohr and other "patriots" and their assets that they could call on (that similarly understood the threat as they saw it, with Trump) agreed to colour outside the lines.

As long as Hillary gets in the efforts are worth it and they will cover themselves and push Trump out and it will get covered and The Presidency and America in general will be saved and they will not need any recognition for their service and only they will know how close they came and what heroes they really were.

Then he won. They tried to bury him and destroy and obstruct the information and spin counter narratives by way of media driven Democrat Propaganda. It was not as successful as they hoped.

Suddenly it looked very much like for someone like Bruce Ohr whose life was a steady and hard gained rise on the basis of patriotic and exemplary service to America will come down to some decisions on which horse to back and how much. He went all in and he can't take it back and it will destroy him BUT in a last ditch attempt to salvage something, he will give and admit everything to save his wife in her part in things. His career will be completely destroyed but his wife will escape punishment.

He will have opened up a Pandoras's Box to which others will get drawn into and a series of threads which will lead to devastation of the old guard establishment on both sides. It will also lead to the demoralisation of Democrat confidence going into midterms and The Republicans will hold the Senate and no Impeachment will happen.

What have all those people done that make you think that of them?

I (again to not upset anyone who wishes to think this is me being overly instructive) think it is quite the opposite. Think of all the good people YOU know that lose their mind when the name trump is mentioned and cannot see anything good or redeemable.

Once you have that in mind imagine ANY of those people were in ANY position that could in ANY small way obstruct or hurt him.

Then imagine everyone around you were encouraging you with any action and praising you and glorifying you and singing to your patriotism and morality.

The path from Hell is paved with good intentions.

Who has been fired or demoted in the Department of Justice and FBI in the last 12 months? Why?

I honestly do feel sorry for those that mentally othered Trump to the extent where they considered "normal rules do not apply because this is a "special circumstances" "

Its understandable and I am sure at the time felt moral, righteous and just and would never come back to bite them. Now it is and otherwise good people like Ohr are hung out to dry.

Worse still think of the precedent they have set?

The best offence the left has in the political arena is character assassination. Even if it's not true by the time it's proven the damage is done. They know this and still do it. They are professionals. Today the word they use most is "racist" everyone that does not tow the line with them is "racist" Hopefully Americans are much smarter than that and I believe they are.

Look at the guy in Florida who said the word Monkey, it's laughable as Obama said the same thing. But they blow the dog whistle and the ears perk up waiting for the commands.

Do you not see that you are describing trump and pretty much what's left of the Republican party?

You see it everywhere, the economy is great, there are plenty of jobs, new treaty's are being redone in Americas favor, the UN is finally paying for things other than relying on American money, more blacks are leaning towards Trump than before. All these things are never mentioned by any news source, but any type of character assassination that may possibly be available is jumped on. It's pitiful. 

It's good that Trump stays strong. That is what really rocks the boat.

(08-31-2018, 01:00 PM)Duchess Wrote: Do you not see that you are describing trump and pretty much what's left of the Republican party?

I believe that most Americans can see the things that the Democrats are doing. its quite blatant they are believing their own bullshit and not looking at anything but what they think, their fantasy world is not reality and I predict the left will get progressively worse as more people see what type of society they want to rule over.

Things are going to turn into quite the nightmare for those who hoped with glee that the Russian Collusion and Obstruction of Justice narratives would sink Trump. McCabe was the start, Then Strozk and page and now Ohr.
This is all for visuals. Slowly the other side has to withdraw. The layers will come off. By the time the truth is exposed for all, those that could throw someone else under the bus will have and those that are only tangentially tainted will throw their supervisors agree to anything to cut a deal. The Press will not know what to do and the Democratic Party will face a crisis of confidence like it has never seen before.

(08-31-2018, 01:10 PM)Maggot Wrote: they are believing their own bullshit and not looking at anything but what they think, their fantasy world is not reality

You're describing the republican party, which, by the way, is shrinking in size with each passing day.

That is certainly one narrative.

It must be true..........CNN did a poll.

(09-01-2018, 05:13 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(08-31-2018, 01:10 PM)Maggot Wrote: they are believing their own bullshit and not looking at anything but what they think, their fantasy world is not reality

You're describing the republican party, which, by the way, is shrinking in size with each passing day.

The Republican party is definitely shrinking.  It's been shrinking for a while as younger people and non-white citizens identify more as Democrats or Democrat-leaning Independents.  All of the research from voter registrations confirm that to be the case.  

I don't hear Republican lawmakers denying that problem/challenge, just the opposite.  They're focused on trying to get around the numbers challenge by amping up their base in order to win elections by achieving higher voter turn-out rates than Democrats.  Republican voters have been more committed to getting to the polls than Democrats historically. 

In the Presidential elections, the popular vote is overridden by the electoral college vote and mitigates the numbers problem for Republicans, as we've seen several times over the last couple of decades.  

But, in the midterms, the numbers challenge is a very big deal.  It's something Paul Ryan and RNC officials have been pounding on donors about as November approaches.

Democrats need to do much better at getting out the vote in mid-terms than they have in the past.  They seem to be all over it in 2018 based on what I'm reading and hearing.  Will be interesting to see how it plays out in November.

The percentage of affiliated Democrats is also down nationwide.  More citizens are registering as Independents than Democrat or Republican in the 39 states that allow it.

For the first time ever here in California, for example, Independents bumped Republicans out of second place for voter registrations this year.  I get the impression that people outside of the state imagine everyone in California is a Democrat or an Independent liberal.  That's false.  We have several large deep red districts in the state wherein Democrat candidates haven't stood a chance in ages.  This year, however, the DNC believes there is real opportunity to flip some of them and they're aggressively pursuing those congressional seats.

(09-01-2018, 04:08 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: We have several large deep red districts in the state 

If you didn't, that damn fool Devin Nunes wouldn't have a shot in hell. Whatta toady.

(09-01-2018, 04:35 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(09-01-2018, 04:08 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: We have several large deep red districts in the state 

If you didn't, that damn fool Devin Nunes wouldn't have a shot in hell. Whatta toady.

That's true.  He's in rural farmland and brands himself a farmer.  Even though he's lost the endorsement of the Sac Bee and, in my opinion, lost all credibility..........I think it's likely that he'll win re-election, especially if Trump comes to town to endorse him.  I hope he loses though.

California is also responsible for Dana Rohrabacher in historically red  Orange County (urban).  He's an NRA-owned dipshit and one of the politicians that got punked by Sacha Baron Cohen into promoting the fake KinderGuardians program which advocated for preschoolers and elementary school kids to come to school locked and loaded.  I  think there's a better chance that his goose is cooked.  Fingers crossed.

And then there's Duncan Hunter from border district San Diego.  He's the guy who recently got arrested (along with his wife) for spending hundreds and thousands of dollars of campaign donations on clothes, bachelor party alcohol shots, international vacations, bunny rabbit flights, etc.  Hopefully he'll be voted out, but there's a good chance he'll be re-elected despite the fact that he ripped off his own supporters and he might well end up imprisoned.

The Golden State is also responsible for Kevin McCarthy from Bakersfield.  He's the genius toadie who admitted to Bill O'Reilly on-air that House Republicans just kept going in endless circles with Benghazi  investigations because they believed it would be damaging to Hillary Clinton's election chances (that's when Paul Ryan was beckoned to replace McCarthy as next-up Speaker after Boehner resigned).

We have a couple of decent Republican reps though.  And, in all fairness, we've had a couple of dipshit Democratic reps too.

So...do you wear your trump love proudly or do you hide it? I ask because more & more of society is shunning trump supporters. 

Only after doing the secret handshake or finding out if someone is rational do you share it. Usually foaming at the mouth is a quick indicator to keep it hidden.

(09-02-2018, 06:26 AM)BigMark Wrote: Only after doing the secret handshake or finding out if someone is rational do you share it. Usually foaming at the mouth is a quick indicator to keep it hidden.

  You hide it. Ahahahaha!