(10-09-2018, 01:56 PM)Maggot Wrote: As far as Nassar is concerned I blame the parents not the kids

WTF. My God! There is ONE person to blame, Nassar. 

Maggot wrote:
  I can understand why you get under peoples skin. i never said he was a victim and the Metoo movement was just beginning during that time and it was involved in his takedown. This is what the left does it groups all men into a pile of gropers and sexual deviants Miss Impartiality. Would you feel better if I just posted a popcorn smiley or something Oh might one. OK here ya go honeybunch..........
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Own your shit, Mags.  People can remember or read back three posts ya know.

You absolutely introduced Nassar, of all people, into the discussion about a man who you believe was wrongly accused and became a victim of women's movements and mobs of Democrats.

That was strange enough on its own.  Then, you claimed that Nassar's victims traded the molestation for personal/professional gain, like you believe Weinstein's accusers did.  

I was responding to what YOU actually posted, not something I made up or something that 'the left' whispered in my ear.  That's a fact, regardless as to whether it gets under your skin.

And, I don't know any men who would conflate and spin about Nassar and his young victims like you did, including any of the men here at Mock.  

So, I've not now (nor have I ever) lumped all men into the bottom of the barrel.  That too is a fact, no matter how you attempt to deflect.

The 'honey bunch' and 'Jerry' shit is silly troll material, but I don't attribute that to you being a man.  That's just you being you, which is normally not so bad.   

I really thought you people were smarter than that. Nassar is the culprit. The kids told the parents and other grown ups about him. The grown ups did nothing. 


WOW. I think I will leave you folks to bash Republicans and any other thing that is not leftist, considering the pent up rage it may be the best thing. So go ahead have fun with the bashing and smashing. I will play in another thread or something that has less snapping turtles. Holy cow man.  

Your feigned victim routine is lame Mags.

We're responding to what YOU posted. Period.

And, my response to what you posted regarding Nassar would obviously (as reflected in previous related posts) have been the same no matter whether it was written by a man, a woman, a Democrat, a Republican, a liberal, a conservative, an independent or anyone else.

I did not mean to infringe on your tender sensibilities by saying grownups is what let Nassar continue for so long. I understand you're angry and in a grey area for a bit. Let me reassure you that when you need me...........I'll be there. I now know it's to soon after the Justice thing and will accept that and quite possibly any excuse you can come up with. My bad.

Come on Mags.  

I'm debating the points of what YOU posted and you're playing 'male victim' and acting as if you never said it.  The only display of tender sensibilities (or anything like that, at least) is coming from you.

Here's what you posted, again:
The womans movement is great and it did put Nassar away after diddling 300 Olympiad hopefuls. Even though they did report the findings the hope of getting a gold medal was more powerful. Much like a starlet lettin Weinstien use his power to get sex. Why didn't they report him? Because the end product would be worth it. I believe 98% of men are respectful of women but thats my belief. Hopefully more women stand up and voice their outrage louder in the future. 

You reference 300 Olympiad hopefuls and say that getting a gold medal was more powerful than reporting being molested/assaulted (or 'diddled', in your mind).  No mention of 'adults' or 'grown ups'.

You do not mention the girls' parents, who you later claimed you were clearly blaming in that post instead of the girls (though the parents were conned and victimized as well).  

You do not mention the Olympic and University staff or any other adults who received dozens of reports about Nassar and either didn't investigate enough to know he was lying or looked the other way, though you now claim you were clearly blaming 'adults' or 'grown ups' in that post.

You only mention the Olympiads and compare the situation to starlets who you insist 'let Weinstein get sex from them' in exchange for rewards and then lied about it. How does that relate to Nassar and his victims?

And, you implore more women to speak up louder in the future as if their previous silence makes them culpable and despite the fact that you're always the first to insist the alleged victims are lying, they're groupies, they're just gold-diggers, they're political operatives, they're vindictive, etc.

You (and you're far from alone) are an example of why so very many women and minors didn't speak out for so long.

That's the mindset you express consistently across related cases and threads. I don't think there's much hope of changing your mindset and I'm not trying to do so.

But, at least you can stop pretending that you're being attacked (for political motives) here for things you didn't say when you obviously said them or didn't make your point clear at all. People always get called out here and elsewhere for not owning their shit.

I'm not angry about it or residing in some 'grey area'. However, it would be nice to have a rational discussion, debate or argument based on what was actually said about the topic at hand, without all the personal denials and spin/rhetoric.

(10-09-2018, 04:45 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I'm not angry about it or residing in some 'grey area'. 

More than once I've been accused of being angry when I've done nothing more than respond with facts. People have gotten downright pissed when I present information that shows they are wrong and then I get accused again of being angry because Hillary lost the election, no matter that I don't bring up her name or reference her in any way and I'm not even thinking about her FFS.

I oppose trump because he's a piece of shit human being as well as being unqualified & corrupt. I won't touch on his complete fucking ignorance. He's a monster whose grave will have to be hidden.

(10-09-2018, 04:57 PM)Duchess Wrote: I oppose trump because he's a piece of shit human being as well as being unqualified & corrupt. I won't touch on his complete fucking ignorance. He's a monster whose grave will have to be hidden.

I wish you'd stop being so hesitant to say what you really feel!

I can't imagine Trump agreeing to have his grave hidden, so that might have to be kept secret from him.

He'd probably want a golden monument erected.

(10-09-2018, 05:09 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I wish you'd stop being so hesitant to say what you really feel!  

Sometimes I wish I didn't care enough to say anything.

I think it's good to stay informed, care passionately about our country, speak up or protest, vote, and otherwise be engaged. Those are the productive ways to help affect positive change.

Their won't be any trumpets blowing...

(10-09-2018, 05:46 PM)BigMark Wrote: Their won't be any trumpets blowing...

(10-09-2018, 09:52 AM)sally Wrote: It gives you energy. Although it's never given me enough to give a shit about another forum member that I'd write them a fucking novel telling them about themselves. Could you at least make this shit funny and entertaining for the rest of us? Nobody gives a shit to read this nonsense except for you, HotD and maybe Duchess. If you don't make it entertainig for the rest of the forum then it just plain old sucks ass.

I'd be happy with some paragraph breaks.

(10-08-2018, 08:47 PM)Clang McFly Wrote:

(10-08-2018, 08:34 PM)Love Child Wrote: To me HotD has been the only rational seriuos mocker!

Sorry to everyone else.

Okay Duchess is rational and serious also.

But no one else!

Okay maybe Donovan too.

But thats it!

You'd be crazy and irrational too if you lived in the Negative Zone with 2 whiny complaining fat sad sacks. Do they want to listen to me and make an effort to improve their lives and feel better? He'll no, that is too difficult for  them.

(OMG now I know why Aussie would get upset when I dismissed her efforts to try and help me)

I knew I should have left a note about you.
I was going to say that you may be rational, but your posts are not. You post more crazy fun non-sequiter stuff at times. That is all!

And stop tyring to fix them, just be you, have fun with you, being you and all that. Forget about them, let them figure it out on their own. You don't want to be told and neither do they.

(10-09-2018, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: The womans movement is great and it did put Nassar away after diddling 300 Olympiad hopefuls. Even though they did report the findings the hope of getting a gold medal was more powerful. Much like a starlet lettin Weinstien use his power to get sex. Why didn't they report him? Because the end product would be worth it. I believe 98% of men are respectful of women but thats my belief. Hopefully more women stand up and voice their outrage louder in the future.  
  

Fuck you Maggot.
And yes I did see your additional post saying it was the parents who saw the gold. I am sure they are proud that their child has a gold medal at the loss of their child's innocence.

More women are standing up. Or haven't you been paying attention?

How do you get a statistic on the # of rapists and child molesters that are men. I believe that many men are respectful of women and children, but those that are not-are monsters, and they appear to be angels on the outside.

(10-09-2018, 09:52 AM)sally Wrote: It gives you energy. Although it's never given me enough to give a shit about another forum member that I'd write them a fucking novel telling them about themselves. Could you at least make this shit funny and entertaining for the rest of us? Nobody gives a shit to read this nonsense except for you, HotD and maybe Duchess. If you don't make it entertainig for the rest of the forum then it just plain old sucks ass.

Well then given that your take was I was on cocaine and I was actually bored and at home after two days of stomach bug I say much of your reading into things is probably a little off.

So thanks for your selective angst about long posts and such, but I will dismiss your suggestions about my posts completely. Hope that is okay and we are still friends

Look at Snowflake here. Pushing that "Progressive ideology" for all she is worth. Strawmanning, pushing a gender politics and accusing those with views she does not agree with or does not understand as being rape apologists, misogynists, sexists and whatever.

What a Snowflake!

(10-09-2018, 01:58 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: You're spinning more than the Tea Cups at Disneyland today Mags.

(10-09-2018, 02:01 PM)Maggot Wrote: I understand the mindset, believe me I do. But that's OK everybody has an opinion. Right or wrong in your mind.

(10-09-2018, 02:13 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: No, you really don't understand.  

Attempting to equate Nassar to an innocent man railroaded by false allegations is the worst kind of spin. That's a fact, not a mindset or opinion.

Actually, now that I think about it, I guess there is one other possibility -- namely that you believe men have the right and entitlement to molest and sexually assault minors and women.  

I'd rather believe you're spinning in attempt to score cheap political points.

No, you retard, Here is another more realistic possibility. You did not care to think about what was being said and instead went full feeling based moral high horsing and freaked out.

You are as dishonest and immoral as the day is long.

There was NOTHING wrong with what Maggot said and NOT because he is a male and not because he is a Conservative but because there was nothing wrong. YOU did not want to comprehend because you simply wanted an opportunity to virtue signal.

(10-09-2018, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: I think Fienstien really screwed the pooch on this. She could have brought out Ford 7 weeks ago. Instead knowingly with no substantial evidence she in a last ditch effort tried to snatch the nomination out. It did not work although she did weaponize the base and create more violence and hatred from the left. 

True. Worse still she could have encourage Ford to lodge a police report, got an FBI investigation done in confidence, anything but wait until the last day and announce it to the world.
Of course THAT is if you believe Ford is a victim in this and not an active and willing participant to a very public, life damaging false accusation. Which I incidentally believe

(10-09-2018, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: All the smear campaign did was belittle the woman's movement, energize the right and quite possibly lose the mid term. Not to mention destroying what was left of Fords credibility.

True again. Ford will be discarded like Jessica Leeds was and Beverley Nelson were. Who? That is right. It was always politically motivated. I have no store in "women's movements" (Feminism is the biggest crock of shit out there) but if you are saying shit like this makes other claims look weaker collectively, i think you are right and I too think that is necessarily a bad thing.

(10-09-2018, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: The womans movement is great and it did put Nassar away after diddling 300 Olympiad hopefuls. Even though they did report the findings the hope of getting a gold medal was more powerful. Much like a starlet lettin Weinstien use his power to get sex. Why didn't they report him? Because the end product would be worth it. I believe 98% of men are respectful of women but thats my belief. Hopefully more women stand up and voice their outrage louder in the future.  
  

No idea who put him away but I am pleased he is put away. I think he should be dropped in a deep pit with a couple of half-starved feral pigs and the same for all sexually predators like him. I think the analogy is a good one. It reminds me of a scene in my favourite Novel, "The Godfather" (Wasn't in the movie), The guy would ends up waking to find his horse's head in the bed, earlier in the book had a mother and daughter come to his penthouse and the little girl was going to "audition" and the mother let the daughter go in alone and when she came out distraught and disheveled and make up smeared, she smiled and asked no questions because she knew her daughter got the part. The casting couch has been the worst kept secret. It has always been gross. Yes these kind of situations are ripe for exploitation and assault by the most powerful in society. I can see for similar reasons people whether the parents or the coaching staff or whomever turn a blind eye and it is repulsive.

(10-09-2018, 12:41 PM)Maggot Wrote: Yup, and I'm sticking to my gut feelings on this. It looked, felt, and smelled like obstruction to me and quite a few other people. Not that i give a shit about them but to me it was not a very professional or honest attempt on Mrs. Feinstiens part. And on retrospect the entire Democrat mob.

100% was. It was a political move and they are desperate for a "big win". If they lose Midterms badly and do not win the House and Senate they can't impeach. If they don't win either, they are so screwed. They wanted to weaponise the MeToo movement and fire up their base. The fact that they may destroy a good family is nothing to them. They want to win for once.

(10-09-2018, 01:56 PM)Maggot Wrote: I have heard some women say they hope this does not set a precedence against men. They think of their sons and husbands and what would happen if they were accused with no evidence or corroboration  there have been a few instances of some women that do these things out of vindictiveness and are concerned about the process. Not just the law but the opinions of the local busy bodies. It's a black mark on the Dems in my opinion no matter how hard they try and spin it. 

It sure is. Never believe a victim until you know who the victim is. Believe women? Hell no! Never believe a gender because of the gender. Never believe a person just based on the colour of their skin or their sexuality or their religion or nationality or anything of the sort, it is a ridiculous notion. Yup there are some animal men put there and there are some crazy bitches happy to lie, make shit up and imply really rank shit (like implying a likely possibility for someone holding a differing view means that they probably are rape apologists)

(10-09-2018, 01:56 PM)Maggot Wrote: As far as Nassar is concerned I blame the parents not the kids, it is they that saw the gold medal moreso than the kids. I blame them for seeing the gold.

I dunno. It definitely happens and maybe they did and maybe others knew. Either way someone should have come forward way sooner. You do not go from 0-300 in one day. This was long term preying on children. Hard to believe that no one knew and difficult to imagine no adults found out. It could have been "medals are important". Screwy priorities.

(10-09-2018, 02:01 PM)Maggot Wrote: I understand the mindset, believe me I do. But that's OK everybody has an opinion. Right or wrong in your mind.

Well there you go. There is your answer. You can't agree to disagree and if you do, you become a rape apologist or support child molestation. It is fucking immoral isn't it, that mindset? SHE talks about others and THEIR "conspiracy theories" ...HOLY FUCK!

There was nothing even slightly incomprehensible. There was nothing that was extreme or supportive of predators or against the victim or confusing. There was no spin. There was nothing to warrant HoTD going full SJW.

Her attempt to preach and flaunt her superior morality and critical analysis fell pretty flat. She is just another Snowflake. Another immoral ideologue without the brains or morality to have a normal conversation about such things because her "feels" get in the way.

(10-09-2018, 02:38 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Own your shit, Mags.  People can remember or read back three posts ya know.

You absolutely introduced Nassar, of all people, into the discussion about a man who you believe was wrongly accused and became a victim of women's movements and mobs of Democrats.

That was strange enough on its own.  Then, you claimed that Nassar's victims traded the molestation for personal/professional gain, like you believe Weinstein's accusers did.  

I was responding to what YOU actually posted, not something I made up or something that 'the left' whispered in my ear.  That's a fact, regardless as to whether it gets under your skin.

And, I don't know any men who would conflate and spin about Nassar and his young victims like you did, including any of the men here at Mock.  

So, I've not now (nor have I ever) lumped all men into the bottom of the barrel.  That too is a fact, no matter how you attempt to deflect.

The 'honey bunch' and 'Jerry' shit is silly troll material, but I don't attribute that to you being a man.  That's just you being you, which is normally not so bad.   

Own your shit, you demented immoral slimeball. He never once said that the victims deserve the trauma and never once said those kids were "Nassar's victims traded the molestation for personal/professional gain". Never once said. Shit, Duchess said you never lied. It is not even possible for a thinking person to honestly make that connection. He DID lament that the gold medals were obviously more important. Did he say they were more important to the victims? Did he blame the 300 victims. Be very fucking clear with your accusations Snowflakes because it looks from my vantage that he is not talking about kids keeping this hush hush or trading off gold medal success but the adults and suggests that more WOMEN (not kids...you know the difference don't you? Not rhetorical) ought to be be louder and stand up against this. (Personally I think men and women but sure women too)

So why are you being immoral and dishonest pretending he is blaming the abused kids? That is kind of sick. You are not stupid so why are you pretending you misread this or did not comprehend this?

(10-09-2018, 02:46 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Your feigned victim routine is lame Mags.

We're responding to what YOU posted. Period.

And, my response to what you posted regarding Nassar would obviously (as reflected in previous related posts) have been the same no matter whether it was written by a man, a woman, a Democrat, a Republican, a liberal, a conservative, an independent or anyone else.

Your righteous indignant and faux moral superiority act is bullshit and slimy. Why are you immoral and slimy?

(10-09-2018, 04:43 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Come on Mags.  

I'm debating the points of what YOU posted and you're playing 'male victim' and acting as if you never said it.  The only display of tender sensibilities (or anything like that, at least) is coming from you.

Here's what you posted, again:
The womans movement is great and it did put Nassar away after diddling 300 Olympiad hopefuls. Even though they did report the findings the hope of getting a gold medal was more powerful. Much like a starlet lettin Weinstien use his power to get sex. Why didn't they report him? Because the end product would be worth it. I believe 98% of men are respectful of women but thats my belief. Hopefully more women stand up and voice their outrage louder in the future. 

You reference 300 Olympiad hopefuls and say that getting a gold medal was more powerful than reporting being molested/assaulted (or 'diddled', in your mind).  No mention of 'adults' or 'grown ups'.

You do not mention the girls' parents, who you later claimed you were clearly blaming in that post instead of the girls (though the parents were conned and victimized as well).  

You do not mention the Olympic and University staff or any other adults who received dozens of reports about Nassar and either didn't investigate enough to know he was lying or looked the other way, though you now claim you were clearly blaming 'adults' or 'grown ups' in that post.

You only mention the Olympiads and compare the situation to starlets who you insist 'let Weinstein get sex from them' in exchange for rewards and then lied about it. How does that relate to Nassar and his victims?

No, no, no...don't pretend to be confused, you bullshit artist.

He mentions the women's movement and how he likes them.
He mentions that they helped the girl's by putting away a creep that molested 300 Olympian hopefuls.
He mention that even they did report the findings BUT the hope of a gold medal was more powerful.
He likens it to not looking out well enough for victims like starlets allowing Weinstein use them for a reward.
However he doesn't believe all men are like Weinstein or Nassar and indeed he believes 98% of men are not that way inclined
He hopes more women stand up and express outrage at things like this.

From start to finish he is talking about the women that both condemn and facilitate this kind of carry on and his hope that future situations like this will be empowered by the kinds of women (women's movement that DOES stand up and does not let things go because someone is famous). Women collectively protecting women he obviously places some store in.

THAT is a narrative flow. For you to pretend differently you have to imagine (no you do not believe this and do not pretend you do) :

He mentions the women's movement and how he likes them.
He mentions that they helped the girl's by putting away a creep that molested 300 Olympian hopefuls.
He mention that even findings were reported the hope of a gold medal was more powerful for the 300 Olympians...to not report?.
He likens it the Olympians being victims like starlets allowing Weinstein use them for a reward?
However he doesn't believe all men are like Weinstein or Nassar and indeed he believes 98% of men are not that way inclined
He hopes more women stand up and express outrage at things like this.

Which makes NO fucking sense and never did and you know that as well as I.

(10-09-2018, 04:45 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: And, you implore more women to speak up louder in the future as if their previous silence makes them culpable and despite the fact that you're always the first to insist the alleged victims are lying, they're groupies, they're just gold-diggers, they're political operatives, they're vindictive, etc.

You (and you're far from alone) are an example of why so very many women and minors didn't speak out for so long.

That's the mindset you express consistently across related cases and threads. I don't think there's much hope of changing your mindset and I'm not trying to do so.

But, at least you can stop pretending that you're being attacked (for political motives) here for things you didn't say when you obviously said them or didn't make your point clear at all. People always get called out here and elsewhere for not owning their shit.

I'm not angry about it or residing in some 'grey area'. However, it would be nice to have a rational discussion, debate or argument based on what was actually said about the topic at hand, without all the personal denials and spin/rhetoric.

EVERYONE who knows and does not speak up IS culpable. Those that speak up do a good thing but you are not dishonest enough to say that everyone who does not speak up is a victim, are you? You are not saying that everyone who speaks up do so as soon as they can? How long has the casting couch been around? Great that people eventuially spoke up and in number. that is nece4ssarily a good thing BUT how long was it around and why did it take so long for people to speak up and why did it have to be victims speaking up? Why not the Meryl Streeps and Dame Judy Denchs and the Helen Mirrens and such speaking out?

However it is also very true that even IF there is a power imbalance or bad optics, sometimes there are people who are amoral, immoral, groupies, players and users. Both males and females. Sometimes women CAN use men and visa versa. Sometimes people are right when they say "That person did it for X reasons".

(10-09-2018, 05:20 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I think it's good to stay informed, care passionately about our country, speak up or protest, vote, and otherwise be engaged. Those are the productive ways to help affect positive change.

Except you don't. You spin bullshit on the internet. There is nothing clever, moral, noble or meaningful that you do.

(10-10-2018, 12:56 AM)Love Child Wrote:

(10-09-2018, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: The womans movement is great and it did put Nassar away after diddling 300 Olympiad hopefuls. Even though they did report the findings the hope of getting a gold medal was more powerful. Much like a starlet lettin Weinstien use his power to get sex. Why didn't they report him? Because the end product would be worth it. I believe 98% of men are respectful of women but thats my belief. Hopefully more women stand up and voice their outrage louder in the future.  
  

Fuck you Maggot.
And yes I did see your additional post saying it was the parents who saw the gold. I am sure they are proud that their child has a gold medal at the loss of their child's innocence.

More women are standing up. Or haven't you been paying attention?

How do you get a statistic on the # of rapists and child molesters that are men. I believe that many men are respectful of women and children, but those that are not-are monsters, and they appear to be angels on the outside.

MeeeeeeeeeeToooooooooooooo. Collectivists do not think critically.