I thought they were main fighting aged men?

They did not do anything in particular to incite these attacks by any chance? Not rushing the border en masse or throwing projectiles or otherwise proving themselves not to be the type of citizens the US may want to welcome in with open arms?

I suppose to that as they were obliged to apply for asylum at the border of FIRST country they had passed through that they applied for asylum and did not reject offers of refugee status. That is great because such rule following would show character.

(11-25-2018, 08:09 PM)Duchess Wrote: It may please a couple of you to know that our government is now firing chemical weapons at women & children over another country's border.

It was sad to see. 

The migrants are political pawns for Trump and company, in my opinion.  And, since Trump's views on immigration and asylum seem to resonate with more than just his base supporters, I fear it's going to get worse before it gets better.  

Separating migrant parents from their children didn't deter the migrants from seeking better lives in the U.S.  Narrowing asylum criteria didn't deter them. Troops at the border didn't deter the majority of them from coming either. 

So now the government is closing down authorized points of entry, only processing around 100 asylum applications a day, pushing Tijuana to host them without the necessary funding and humanitarian aid, and closing the border.  Plus, Trump is threatening to shut down the government if The Wall doesn't get funded.

Anyway, I know they're tired and feel desperate. But, I really hope the migrants don't try to enter by force again.  The vitriol against them has become so amplified that it won't be surprising if some of them get hurt or killed.   Plus, it only riles up those who already buy into the narrative that they're all criminals and/or people willing to endure the treacherous journey so they can illegally vote in U.S. elections and get government handouts.

The U.S. is no longer a place to seek refuge or humanitarian aid, for the time being.  Maybe the Democrats will offer Trump his wall funding again in exchange for real immigration reform policies and solutions when they take over the House in January.  Bi-partisan immigration legislation is at least a decade overdue. Congress finally needs to do its job.

I don't think anything is going to be done on immigration while trump is in office. He can't be trusted, not to speak the truth nor to hold up his end of any bargain, and republicans don't know how to govern. They find it impossible to move past Secretary Clinton, she seems to be their only motivation in DC.

...and I wonder if trump is gassing babies to distract us from Special Counsel Mueller or Putin starting a war with the Ukraine.

I'm not very optimistic either Duchess.

Even when the President wasn't using anti-immigrant rhetoric as a key platform issue and really wanted to improve the situation (ie Bush II, Obama), several bi-partisan attempts at comprehensive immigration reform failed due to hard-liners in Congress.

I do hope with fewer extremists in the House starting next year, some progress can be made though. It would require McConnell and (likely) Pelosi to make a lot of deals and compromises within their caucuses.

I'd have more hope about immigration if I thought trump was serious, but I don't believe he is. I think he only cares about it insofar as it pertains to talking points directed at his base. Other than that, I don't believe he cares about immigration one way or another. He uses it to get his cult jacked up.

(11-26-2018, 12:17 PM)Duchess Wrote: I'd have more hope about immigration if I thought trump was serious, but I don't believe he is. I think he only cares about it insofar as it pertains to talking points directed at his base. Other than that, I don't believe he cares about immigration one way or another. He uses it to get his cult jacked up.

I think that's mostly true.

But, if the Congress passes a bi-partisan bill and Trump vetoes it, I think it'll cost him with everyone but his core base. 

The midterm results show that Trumpism has cost the Republican party a considerable percentage of Independents and subarbanites.  It could cost Trump re-election in 2020 if he were to quash legislation that so many Americans have been advocating for more than a decade.

It's possible that Trump would get behind immigration reform legislation (and stand behind it this time) if it included funding for The Wall.  That way, he wouldn't be alienating much of his core base by signing off on a bill that's supported by the more moderate general population.

Anyway, I agree that Trump will do what he believes is most beneficial to him personally and politically, regardless of other considerations.  That's his M.O., in my observation.

How has Trumpism cost the Republican Party and how is this displayed in the midterms?

Now you don't qualify this and so I suppose you are trying to make a truth claim? But is it true? It is historically true that in midterms the incoming President's party loses both the house and Senate
However, in this term, the President had 40+ retirements which would make things incredibly harder still.
A "blue wave" was EXPECTED.
None of this has a thing to do with Trumpism and it would be stupid to infer otherwise.
But those historically it was PROBABLE that the Republicans would lose both house and Senate to a blue wave. It DIDN'T happen. The house was lost and Senate kept to a mixed results.
There are investigations occuring to voting impropriety in Arizona, Florida and Michigan.

Again, it would be really stupid given all of this to bandy about an opinion suggesting that Trumpism cost the Republican Party and the midterm result evidences that.....so why are you suggesting exactly that?

(11-25-2018, 08:09 PM)Duchess Wrote: It may please a couple of you to know that our government is now firing chemical weapons at women & children over another country's border.

I am confused????

Are you referring to the November 24, 2013 incident at Sam Ysidro port of entry when the Obama administration gassed a crowd of poor helpless immigrants when they rushed the border????

Aren't you 5 years too late???

Stop being obtuse. 

(11-26-2018, 06:27 PM)Duchess Wrote: Stop being obtuse. 

Did you learn a new word? Wow, who said an old bitch can't learn new tricks?

(11-26-2018, 06:16 PM)pyropappy Wrote:

(11-25-2018, 08:09 PM)Duchess Wrote: It may please a couple of you to know that our government is now firing chemical weapons at women & children over another country's border.

I am confused????

Are you referring to the November 24, 2013 incident at Sam Ysidro port of entry when the Obama administration gassed a crowd of poor helpless immigrants when they rushed the border????

Aren't you 5 years too late???

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...-once-mon/

Yes she is furious about the tear gassing of illegals and if you look through the political history at mock, Duchess bought it up regularly when it happened under Obama because it is a bad thing and NOT JUST bad when Trump does it.

(11-26-2018, 07:54 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Did you learn a new word? Wow, who said an old bitch can't learn new tricks?

I'll own being an old bitch. Are you going to own being a bawling rage quitter?

...and when you come back we'll play the whataboutism game. 'K?

She is just a misguided lass, lost in her pretty landscape looking up at bright diamonds on black velvet.

(11-27-2018, 11:54 AM)BigMark Wrote: She is just a misguided lass, lost in her pretty landscape looking up at bright diamonds on black velvet.

Are you singing to me?    

Wearing daisy dukes
While mowing the grass

(11-27-2018, 06:41 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-26-2018, 07:54 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Did you learn a new word? Wow, who said an old bitch can't learn new tricks?

I'll own being an old bitch. Are you going to own being a bawling rage quitter?

...and when you come back we'll play the whataboutism game. 'K?

Are you really that stupid? I have continued posting; what I have stopped doing is arguing with the hypocritical post modernists on here. They (including you) are not intellectually honest. I have said for years the media is lying; this story is a prime example. The media saturated the story prior to the election that the caravan was a myth invented by Trump. Well if that is true who are those people throwing rocks at our border patrol agents, and why did a thousand of them try to rush the border. 


Where was the outrage when Isis was rounding up Christians and Yazidis and enslaving them in the middle east?

I have a suggestion to bring us back together; if you did not condemn when the  Obama administration gassed them, or when the Obama administration built the cages that the media has been howling about; then shut the fuck up.

btw, bitch is a complement

beautiful
thoughtful
intelligent
charming 
horney

it is my wife's idea

(11-27-2018, 02:42 PM)pyropappy Wrote: if you did not condemn when the  Obama administration gassed them, or when the Obama administration built the cages that the media has been howling about; then shut the fuck up.

Make me, you old fart knocker. I'll run circles around you. *POW*

I've said more than once that I don't know anything about all that stuff, I wasn't paying attention to politics then like I do now. You're all about conspiracy bullshit, it's weird, Pappy and often downright bizarre. I don't think about shit like you do, thank gawd. I sometimes think you're afraid of your own shadow.

(11-27-2018, 02:38 PM)BigMark Wrote: Wearing daisy dukes
While mowing the grass

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(11-27-2018, 03:25 PM)pyropappy Wrote: btw, bitch is a complement

beautiful
thoughtful
intelligent
charming 
horney

it is my wife's idea

Well...when you put it like that. *fluffs hair*