(04-19-2019, 08:15 AM)Maggot Wrote: I would like to see why a fake story that was planted in Yahoo was used as evidence to allow Trump to be spyed on

That's not true either! What the actual fuck, Maggot.

(04-19-2019, 08:54 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:15 AM)Maggot Wrote: I would like to see why a fake story that was planted in Yahoo was used as evidence to allow Trump to be spyed on

That's not true either! What the actual fuck, Maggot.

yes it is ...........the Trump prostitute piss story was a fake story that was put there and was used as evidence to the FISA court.

(04-19-2019, 10:01 AM)Maggot Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:54 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:15 AM)Maggot Wrote: I would like to see why a fake story that was planted in Yahoo was used as evidence to allow Trump to be spyed on

That's not true either! What the actual fuck, Maggot.

yes it is ...........the Trump prostitute piss story was a fake story that was put there and was used as evidence to the FISA court.

..but what you said was that a fake story was planted and that was used as evidence to allow trump to be spied on. That's not how FISA warrants are issued. There has to be a tremendous amount of evidence put forth in order for FISA warrants to be granted. This is no willy nilly procedure that is followed because of a whim or a hope that something could be found. It's serious business.

I'm so disappointed in Senator Burr. That's what I get for wanting to be fair and give him the benefit of doubt. Now I can't trust him with the information he receives as being part of the Gang of Eight. He's no better than Nunes.

That's why the evidence used to get the FISA warrants are being investigated. The story was planted by the FBI to get to Papalopolis this investigation is going into how and why the warrant was issued by who and who paid for it. Like I said the investigation is ongoing now.

link

Don't wear that hat in the rain, Pappy.  

the LSM today....

what a joke

GET OFF MY GRASS!  

(04-19-2019, 08:52 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:15 AM)Maggot Wrote: he said a lot of things but never acted on any of it.

That's not true, Maggot. Far from it.

It kind of is though isn't it Duchess. I know you have not received talking points yet on this and so you uncritically dismiss it without reference to the contrary.

(04-19-2019, 08:54 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:15 AM)Maggot Wrote: I would like to see why a fake story that was planted in Yahoo was used as evidence to allow Trump to be spyed on

That's not true either! What the actual fuck, Maggot.

Yes what the actual fuck are you trying to disclaim Duchess.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-off...46002.html

This was planted by Fusion GPS as a result of scandalous unverified propaganda dressed as an intel dossier given to Fusion GPS by a unashamedly anti-Trump British intelligence officer from the Russian government and on the behest of Hillary and the DNC.

This article and the Buzzfeed article were suggested as key collaboration as to the veracity of the claims of the Dossier in which a FISA application was made.

How after all this time do you not know THIS much and what in Hell would you so vehemently dispute it if you are so oblivious?

(04-19-2019, 10:28 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 10:01 AM)Maggot Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:54 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-19-2019, 08:15 AM)Maggot Wrote: I would like to see why a fake story that was planted in Yahoo was used as evidence to allow Trump to be spyed on

That's not true either! What the actual fuck, Maggot.

yes it is ...........the Trump prostitute piss story was a fake story that was put there and was used as evidence to the FISA court.

..but what you said was that a fake story was planted and that was used as evidence to allow trump to be spied on. That's not how FISA warrants are issued. There has to be a tremendous amount of evidence put forth in order for FISA warrants to be granted. This is no willy nilly procedure that is followed because of a whim or a hope that something could be found. It's serious business.

No fucking shit! This is why it is being followed up with the the inspector general and the only reason it has not been done sooner is that ANY attempts for Trump to have done to litigate this beforehand would have been seized upon as interference and obstruction of justice. This has tied his hands for over two years. No longer though.

Shit is about to hit the fan in a pretty big way. Pappy and I have been saying this for some time and you have been saying "wait til the Mueller report comes out". I say wait for the prosecutions as a result directly and indirectly of the IG report. By the time Huber and Horowitz are through. Then questions like:

"Given that the Dossier and both articles cited as evidence for the FISA warrant, were unverified and uncollaborated as had been signed and sworn as being both collaborate and verified, why ought the people involved in bringing this to the FISA NOT be prosecuted under the law for misleading a FISA court?"

"Mr Rosenstein as the Dossier was both uncollaborated and unverified, why did you set up the Special COunsel against the Trump campaign?"

"Mr Comey, The Chief Counsel expressly committed to try Hillary Clinton for crimes arising out of her use of classified emails on a private server and her poor security in which numerous breaches were made and her deletion of requested emails, why did you state that no prosecutor would try her and why did you create "intent to commit a crime" as that is not an element of the law, to exonerate her?"

"Hillary Clinton, why did you collude with the Russian and Ukranian government to influence the election in your favour by using the law firm of Perkin Coie to hire Fusion GPS to have Christopher Steele create a Russian sourced Propaganda piece?"

But the time the smoke clears and the Democrats and Intel Agents that are able to make any kind of immunity deal to through their colleagues under the bus have done so, there will be plenty of big names going down.

This is precisely BECAUSE these intelligence agencies and Democrats were acting outside of the law, policy, and process. It was a "higher calling". They could not have the President in office,. It did not matter that he was elected in or that he played fair. They considered him repulsive and abhorrent and so nothing was off the table in terms of smearing him, removing him, hurting him and his family. It was all good. What is more, because they were so convinced of the moral authority to do so, they did all of these things and said and swore to all of these things with righteous conviction.

It was never going to matter because when Hillary won it was all going to go away. Then she lost and to cover up any fallout out the Weaponised ABC agencies both hid incriminating information AND they okayed a Russia/Trump probe to prevent anyone getting to the bottom of things. At best it would remove Trump from office and at worst smear him so badly and tie his hands that none of teh terrible things they did would ever come to light. It was their insurance policy.

That has not worked. The Democrats have about one more roll of the dice. Impeachment. They HAVE to go with this because if they do not get him out of office the house of cards will come crashing down. Unfortunately, even if they pass it in the House, they can't in the Senate. It is why Mueller kept hold of the investigation so long when there was no predicate for the collusion and no basis on which this was launched. He held on because if the Congress went blue for both House and Senate they could impeach him and would have the numbers if they did so.

Pence is no Trump and would tow the establishment line and would be scrambling from that time until 2020 and from there it would be a scrambling Republican Government trying to meet a united Democrat Congress and party after having ousted the Republican President.

That failed too. Now they are fucked.

(04-19-2019, 10:48 AM)Duchess Wrote: I'm so disappointed in Senator Burr. That's what I get for wanting to be fair and give him the benefit of doubt. Now I can't trust him with the information he receives as being part of the Gang of Eight. He's no better than Nunes.

Why can you not trust him? Because he summarised a report that he worked with his good friend Mueller with? Was it because he obeyed the law and will not redact information that he LEGALLY can't disclose (as a result of laws the Democrats in congress put in place after the Starr report was released)? Because he is fair enough to allow both sides of the political divide to follow up instances of law breaking and policy breaking and not just that on the Republican side? Is it that he decided to release the report when he was under absolutely no legal obligation to release?

But be serious for just a moment. What is he doing that in your own words "I can't trust him with the information he receives as being part of the Gang of Eight. He's no better than Nunes"?

The FBI, justice system, DNC, Clinton campaign and the previous administration all had a hand in trying to bring down Trump, there were a few Republicans also that would have benefited from a Clinton presidency. I'm surprised Trump got elected with that much high level debauchery. but now that many in all departments that were loyal to an 8 year presidency have been tossed the new investigation will show what a nasty bunch the left truly is. there is evidence but it won't be found on Clinton's phones that were smashed with hammers and soaked in acid.

(04-20-2019, 07:19 AM)Maggot Wrote: The FBI, justice system, DNC, Clinton campaign and the previous administration all had a hand in trying to bring down Trump, there were a few Republicans also that would have benefited from a Clinton presidency. I'm surprised Trump got elected with that much high level debauchery. but now that many in all departments that were loyal to an 8 year presidency have been tossed the new investigation will show what a nasty bunch the left truly is. there is evidence but it won't be found on Clinton's phones that were smashed with hammers and soaked in acid.

  Facts mean nothing to you. Nothing.

You're seriously referring to Secretary Clinton's phones and not a word about all the ridiculous bullshit this administration has done. It's in the report. Read the fuckin' report because that shit up there ^^^^^^^ just looks silly. Again & again you put party over country. That's not patriotism, not by a long shot. Your side lies, cheats and steals, that's an established fact. You're blaming everyone except your own people. Ahahahaha. Man. If Hillary had invited the Russians into the Oval Office and shared classified information you would have had a stroke. No doubt about it.

If Democratic leadership refuses to start impeachment proceedings they too will be kicked to the curb in the next election.

(04-20-2019, 07:49 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-20-2019, 07:19 AM)Maggot Wrote: The FBI, justice system, DNC, Clinton campaign and the previous administration all had a hand in trying to bring down Trump, there were a few Republicans also that would have benefited from a Clinton presidency. I'm surprised Trump got elected with that much high level debauchery. but now that many in all departments that were loyal to an 8 year presidency have been tossed the new investigation will show what a nasty bunch the left truly is. there is evidence but it won't be found on Clinton's phones that were smashed with hammers and soaked in acid.

  Facts mean nothing to you. Nothing.

You're seriously referring to Secretary Clinton's phones and not a word about all the ridiculous bullshit this administration has done. It's in the report. Read the fuckin' report because that shit up there ^^^^^^^ just looks silly. Again & again you put party over country. That's not patriotism, not by a long shot. Your side lies, cheats and steals, that's an established fact. You're blaming everyone except your own people. Ahahahaha. Man. If Hillary had invited the Russians into the Oval Office and shared classified information you would have had a stroke. No doubt about it.

If Democratic leadership refuses to start impeachment proceedings they too will be kicked to the curb in the next election.

you should stop smoking that wacky tobacco, you are getting truly delusional. this story is just getting started and Trump is going to drive this one.

(04-20-2019, 09:36 AM)pyropappy Wrote: you should stop smoking that wacky tobacco, you are getting truly delusional. this story is just getting started and Trump is going to drive this one.

Pappy, here's the thing for me that I can't get past, some of you have what you believe are legitimate complaints about the Democratic party. I completely understand favoring one party over another, what I don't ever understand is the support & defense of someone/s who has done so much worse than the person/party y'all denigrate. How am I suppose to take your arguments seriously in the face of that? Serious question, how?

You have the amazing audacity to call me delusional when most of what I post about are established, proven facts. Bitch, please. I'm not the one viewing all this through rose colored glasses and plain ol' ignorance.

(04-20-2019, 07:49 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-20-2019, 07:19 AM)Maggot Wrote: The FBI, justice system, DNC, Clinton campaign and the previous administration all had a hand in trying to bring down Trump, there were a few Republicans also that would have benefited from a Clinton presidency. I'm surprised Trump got elected with that much high level debauchery. but now that many in all departments that were loyal to an 8 year presidency have been tossed the new investigation will show what a nasty bunch the left truly is. there is evidence but it won't be found on Clinton's phones that were smashed with hammers and soaked in acid.

  Facts mean nothing to you. Nothing.

You're seriously referring to Secretary Clinton's phones and not a word about all the ridiculous bullshit this administration has done. It's in the report. Read the fuckin' report because that shit up there ^^^^^^^ just looks silly. Again & again you put party over country. That's not patriotism, not by a long shot. Your side lies, cheats and steals, that's an established fact. You're blaming everyone except your own people. Ahahahaha. Man. If Hillary had invited the Russians into the Oval Office and shared classified information you would have had a stroke. No doubt about it.

If Democratic leadership refuses to start impeachment proceedings they too will be kicked to the curb in the next election.

I have read the fucking report.

Who ACTUALLY colluded with Russia? Who Colluded with Ukraine? Who colluded with China? Who paid off Iran? When Russia interfered with the elections Trump was NOT President. Who was President and what did THEY do?
ANYONE claiming that Trump's Administration was colluding based on nothing and yet excusing the very real problems from the Obama Administration is anti-American. That includes YOU too Duchess. If you ACTUALLY believe what you just wrote.

What WAS the classified information that Trump gave "allegedly"? Was it to do with the ISIS and in seeking to decimate ISIS? How did ISIS fare under the Obama Administration? How did ISIS fare under the first two years of the Trump Administration?

What WOULD Obama Administration do?

* Give secret Pallet loads of cash to Iran dropped off at the dead of night?
* Sell 25% of Uranium to Russia?
* Allow Awan to send classified info to Pakistan and then not punish him when he was eventually caught?
* Let China hack the Clinton's classified information on her computer?
* Not deter the Russians from annexing Crimea and instead of sending military support, sent blankets (Trump sent javelin missiles to Ukraine)
* Use Russian assets to help create a propaganda piece against Donald Trump?
* Tell the Intel agencies to stand down when Russia was interfering with the election in 2016 when Obama was in office?
* Feinstein had a Chinese spy as chauffeur for decades.
* Abedin is strongly connected to the Muslim Brotherhood and is Hillary's confidante

Nope. You pretend the Trump team is worse than this. There is not even parity and no, I have read the report and it in no way looks like Trump has anything to answer for. That list above is not exhaustive.

Any American who pretends that the Trump Administration is incriminated by the report and that the Obama Administration efforts above were NOT putting the country at FAR greater risk than the Trump Administration has HAS put party over country. They are not Patriots but shills and nothing more.

I do not think that is you Duchess. I know you like to spout Democrat and Liberal media talking points and by your own admission you do not seek out anything to counter the talking points you are given. You hate trump with a passion and are unabashedly partisan against him. You are not interested in anything contrary. Its stupid but I do not think you actually believe the shit you regurgitate. I just think you hate Trump and feel good spewing bad shit about him.

(04-20-2019, 09:44 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-20-2019, 09:36 AM)pyropappy Wrote: you should stop smoking that wacky tobacco, you are getting truly delusional. this story is just getting started and Trump is going to drive this one.

Pappy, here's the thing for me that I can't get past, some of you have what you believe are legitimate complaints about the Democratic party. I completely understand favoring one party over another, what I don't ever understand is the support & defense of someone/s who has done so much worse than the person/party y'all denigrate. How am I suppose to take your arguments seriously in the face of that? Serious question, how?

You have the amazing audacity to call me delusional when most of what I post about are established, proven facts. Bitch, please. I'm not the one viewing all this through rose colored glasses and plain ol' ignorance.

Except they are not at all established facts are they? I mean every reply pretty much to your "claims" I shoot hols big enough for a semitrailer to roll through. Established fact is not opinion or even something that anonymous sources said.

Stop being so ignorant and using Democrat talking point uncritically. You look silly when you do. When you are countered you do not have answers other than "You are wrong" or "that's a conspiracy theory" or some laughing emoticon. Why do you not know how to counter? I will tell you why, you have not thought any of these talking points through. You have gobbled it up and regurgitate it and when questioned you have no fallback. You have not thought it through. You have not considered alternative points of view. You have not considered whether it could be lies, misrepresentation, bias, generalisation, miscommunication or someone just being uncharitable. So when you are questioned you have no fallback.

(04-20-2019, 10:11 AM)Fry Guy Wrote:

(04-20-2019, 09:44 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-20-2019, 09:36 AM)pyropappy Wrote: you should stop smoking that wacky tobacco, you are getting truly delusional. this story is just getting started and Trump is going to drive this one.

Pappy, here's the thing for me that I can't get past, some of you have what you believe are legitimate complaints about the Democratic party. I completely understand favoring one party over another, what I don't ever understand is the support & defense of someone/s who has done so much worse than the person/party y'all denigrate. How am I suppose to take your arguments seriously in the face of that? Serious question, how?

You have the amazing audacity to call me delusional when most of what I post about are established, proven facts. Bitch, please. I'm not the one viewing all this through rose colored glasses and plain ol' ignorance.

Except they are not at all established facts are they? I mean every reply pretty much to your "claims" I shoot hols big enough for a semitrailer to roll through. Established fact is not opinion or even something that anonymous sources said.

Stop being so ignorant and using Democrat talking point uncritically. You look silly when you do. When you are countered you do not have answers other than "You are wrong" or "that's a conspiracy theory" or some laughing emoticon. Why do you not know how to counter? I will tell you why, you have not thought any of these talking points through. You have gobbled it up and regurgitate it and when questioned you have no fallback. You have not thought it through. You have not considered alternative points of view. You have not considered whether it could be lies, misrepresentation, bias, generalisation, miscommunication or someone just being uncharitable. So when you are questioned you have no fallback.

you can lead a horse to water... eh mate.

(04-20-2019, 09:44 AM)Duchess Wrote: Pappy, here's the thing for me that I can't get past, some of you have what you believe are legitimate complaints about the Democratic party. I completely understand favoring one party over another, what I don't ever understand is the support & defense of someone/s who has done so much worse than the person/party y'all denigrate. How am I suppose to take your arguments seriously in the face of that? Serious question, how?

You have the amazing audacity to call me delusional when most of what I post about are established, proven facts. Bitch, please. I'm not the one viewing all this through rose colored glasses and plain ol' ignorance.

I have no complaints about the  Democratic Party; I have grave concerns about certain members of the party. I do not favor one party over the other; I favor truth, freedom and limited government. I call out republicans guilty of violating those principles as well. I have called out Trump on more than one occasion; he is crude, narcissistic and bombastic, but he has not colluded with Russia.

Your ignorance is astounding though, only surpassed by your hubris. You can't even conceive of a  possibility that the Hell Bitch did anything wrong, ever. Yes, delusional is the correct term for you.

I have offered many opportunities for you to educate yourself, but you ignore them. When you have read as many books as I have you may begin to see  the world as it exists, not as how you wish it to be. 

The History of the Future, Blake Harris

Here is another great book every one should read. Harris is a liberal who tells the truth, and I can support the truth.

(04-20-2019, 11:02 AM)pyropappy Wrote: You can't even conceive of a  possibility that the Hell Bitch did anything wrong, ever.

When have I ever said that? Quote me. Thanks!

(04-20-2019, 11:05 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-20-2019, 11:02 AM)pyropappy Wrote: You can't even conceive of a  possibility that the Hell Bitch did anything wrong, ever.

When have I ever said that? Quote me. Thanks!

HUBRIS