I'm thinking many more businesses will be willing to hire security for any mob that wants to do a smash and grab. The wave of the future.

I was also thinking that if these rioters had ever been overseas fighting in a war they would never even try to do what they do. Our soldiers fought for their right to protest, not their self imposed right to riot. It's a shame that they feel the way they do.

(11-21-2021, 04:15 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 02:58 PM)Duchess Wrote: Oh I believe it's a spot on description of many of them. Oh hell yeah.

Sometimes, what a person doesn't say is far more significant than what they do say. This picture conveniently leaves out everything that is unflattering of those who promote this sort of one-sided "reality". It suggests that the author is more interested in vilifying, rather than understanding, and the net effect is that people stop trying to engage in honest dialog because they mistakenly believe that it would be pointless. Both sides do this, and it's been going on for a very long time, but now it's reached a point where violence is increasing exponentially, and very few of us are willing to look at how *we* contribute to this, instead choosing to blame it entirely on the other side.

So perhaps you might ask yourself why you identify with a caricature that is grossly exaggerated -- because if enough of us were willing to do this, the violence would wind down and sanity would begin to reemerge.

Ask myself why I identify with a caricature?    

(11-21-2021, 04:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm thinking many more businesses will be willing to hire security for any mob that wants to do a smash and grab. The wave of the future.

I was also thinking that if these rioters had ever been overseas fighting in a war they would never even try to do what they do. Our soldiers fought for their right to protest, not their self imposed right to riot. It's a shame that they feel the way they do.

Some of the people under arrest for their role in the insurrection are former military, some were cops when they came to DC to "stop the steal", many were good ol' boys, some of who you relate to, so really, Maggot, do better and look to your own backyard when you're pointing your finger.

(11-21-2021, 04:29 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 04:15 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 02:58 PM)Duchess Wrote: Oh I believe it's a spot on description of many of them. Oh hell yeah.

Sometimes, what a person doesn't say is far more significant than what they do say. This picture conveniently leaves out everything that is unflattering of those who promote this sort of one-sided "reality". It suggests that the author is more interested in vilifying, rather than understanding, and the net effect is that people stop trying to engage in honest dialog because they mistakenly believe that it would be pointless. Both sides do this, and it's been going on for a very long time, but now it's reached a point where violence is increasing exponentially, and very few of us are willing to look at how *we* contribute to this, instead choosing to blame it entirely on the other side.

So perhaps you might ask yourself why you identify with a caricature that is grossly exaggerated -- because if enough of us were willing to do this, the violence would wind down and sanity would begin to reemerge.

Ask myself why I identify with a caricature?    

You wouldn't have posted it if you didn't identify with what it represents.

(11-21-2021, 04:31 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 04:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm thinking many more businesses will be willing to hire security for any mob that wants to do a smash and grab. The wave of the future.

I was also thinking that if these rioters had ever been overseas fighting in a war they would never even try to do what they do. Our soldiers fought for their right to protest, not their self imposed right to riot. It's a shame that they feel the way they do.

Some of the people under arrest for their role in the insurrection are former military, some were cops when they came to DC to "stop the steal", many were good ol' boys, some of who you relate to, so really, Maggot, do better and look to your own backyard when you're pointing your finger.

You're the last person who should be telling him to do that.

Elaborate, rothschild. I don't relate to any of those people. Who is in my backyard that you think I should be calling out? Hmmm?

(11-21-2021, 05:08 PM)Duchess Wrote: Elaborate, rothschild. I don't relate to any of those people. Who is in my backyard that you think I should be calling out? Hmmm?

I'm saying you identify with *how* they're being characterized, which is a half-truth. It's a one-dimensional representation that is dehumanizing. We all have faults that can be easily exaggerated to the point that a human being begins to look subhuman. It's been done to Jews, to blacks, to Asians, and now it's being done to whites, and in every single instance it's been fraudulently justified.

rothschild, I agree with that depiction because I watch/read the news.

You seem to think that just because I disagree with so much on the right that I'm all for other things on the left. I'm actually pretty conservative, but I am socially liberal.

(11-21-2021, 07:42 PM)Duchess Wrote: rothschild, I agree with that depiction because I watch/read the news.

You seem to think that just because I disagree with so much on the right that I'm all for other things on the left. I'm actually pretty conservative, but I am socially liberal.

I know that, Duchess, and that is precisely what confirmation bias is. "News" does *not* equal reality. Making conclusions on the basis of "news" empowers the people who make the news and relegates those who follow along to the role of sheep, and that's what has killed our democracy -- which was dead long before Trump showed up. We're supposed to be holding these people accountable, not allowing them to use us as pawns on a 3-D chessboard. No one should be allowed to frame and distort how we see the world, because that's far too much power for any group to safely have, left or right. It's extremely dangerous, and it's why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

(11-21-2021, 09:26 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 07:42 PM)Duchess Wrote: rothschild, I agree with that depiction because I watch/read the news.

You seem to think that just because I disagree with so much on the right that I'm all for other things on the left. I'm actually pretty conservative, but I am socially liberal.

I know that, Duchess, and that is precisely what confirmation bias is. "News" does *not* equal reality. Making conclusions on the basis of "news" empowers the people who make the news and relegates those who follow along to the role of sheep, and that's what has killed our democracy -- which was dead long before Trump showed up. We're supposed to be holding these people accountable, not allowing them to use us as pawns on a 3-D chessboard. No one should be allowed to frame and distort how we see the world, because that's far too much power for any group to safely have, left or right. It's extremely dangerous, and it's why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

"Well said rothy"

(11-21-2021, 09:26 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 07:42 PM)Duchess Wrote: rothschild, I agree with that depiction because I watch/read the news.

You seem to think that just because I disagree with so much on the right that I'm all for other things on the left. I'm actually pretty conservative, but I am socially liberal.

I know that, Duchess, and that is precisely what confirmation bias is. "News" does *not* equal reality. Making conclusions on the basis of "news" empowers the people who make the news and relegates those who follow along to the role of sheep, and that's what has killed our democracy -- which was dead long before Trump showed up. We're supposed to be holding these people accountable, not allowing them to use us as pawns on a 3-D chessboard. No one should be allowed to frame and distort how we see the world, because that's far too much power for any group to safely have, left or right. It's extremely dangerous, and it's why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

I'm genuinely interested in knowing where you get your current events from so I too can be self righteous and denigrate all opinions that don't line up with my own world view. 

I look forward to seeing your posted links. Thanks!

(11-21-2021, 04:31 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 04:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm thinking many more businesses will be willing to hire security for any mob that wants to do a smash and grab. The wave of the future.

I was also thinking that if these rioters had ever been overseas fighting in a war they would never even try to do what they do. Our soldiers fought for their right to protest, not their self imposed right to riot. It's a shame that they feel the way they do.

Some of the people under arrest for their role in the insurrection are former military, some were cops when they came to DC to "stop the steal", many were good ol' boys, some of who you relate to, so really, Maggot, do better and look to your own backyard when you're pointing your finger.

They did not do even a quarter of the damage that BLM rioters did. One event that overshadows 20 events that were more out of control. No fires to burn the place down. When comparing the two you have to use both eyes not just one. 

Are you saying that the rioters had a right to do what they did? And it wasn't their fault? I admit that the capitol protest was wrong, can you admit the 20 other protests/riots were wrong?

They are all a bunch of ignorant jackasses.

My God. How in the world do you get that I believe it's alright what they did & it wasn't their fault? Is it because I don't see it the same way you do?

You view the insurrection as not being significant when the reality is, it's one of the most significant things of our lifetime. Those people were hunting the vice president of the United States and the Speaker of the House. What do you think would have happened had they been found?

(11-22-2021, 09:40 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 09:26 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 07:42 PM)Duchess Wrote: rothschild, I agree with that depiction because I watch/read the news.

You seem to think that just because I disagree with so much on the right that I'm all for other things on the left. I'm actually pretty conservative, but I am socially liberal.

I know that, Duchess, and that is precisely what confirmation bias is. "News" does *not* equal reality. Making conclusions on the basis of "news" empowers the people who make the news and relegates those who follow along to the role of sheep, and that's what has killed our democracy -- which was dead long before Trump showed up. We're supposed to be holding these people accountable, not allowing them to use us as pawns on a 3-D chessboard. No one should be allowed to frame and distort how we see the world, because that's far too much power for any group to safely have, left or right. It's extremely dangerous, and it's why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

I'm genuinely interested in knowing where you get your current events from so I too can be self righteous and denigrate all opinions that don't line up with my own world view. 

I look forward to seeing your posted links. Thanks!

What I'm saying is based mostly on my understanding of psychology, which is the foundation of public relations, mass media, and economics. With respect to current events, the difference between you and I is, I view them from multiple perspectives, whereas you view them from the perspective of a few sources, all of which are heavily censored and biased -- and yes, Fox News and Newsmax fall into that category, too. All you get from "news reporting" is a snapshot view that provides little or no context, whereas the ideal is a panoramic perspective that provides as much context as possible. "News" is mostly opinion, not factuality. If you really want to be informed, you have to do a whole lot more than watch/read news, which takes a considerable degree of effort. The best advice I can give anyone is to keep an open mind and try not to fall into the trap of thinking you know things that you don't, and be willing to rethink what you think you know.

That's what I do, and it doesn't come down to clicking on the right links. It's a matter of having general knowledge of philosophy, psychology, history, and human nature.

(11-22-2021, 12:25 PM)Duchess Wrote: My God. How in the world do you get that I believe it's alright what they did & it wasn't their fault? Is it because I don't see it the same way you do?

You view the insurrection as not being significant when the reality is, it's one of the most significant things of our lifetime. Those people were hunting the vice president of the United States and the Speaker of the House. What do you think would have happened had they been found?

Coughcoughrayeppscoughcough...

(11-22-2021, 12:38 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-22-2021, 09:40 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 09:26 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 07:42 PM)Duchess Wrote: rothschild, I agree with that depiction because I watch/read the news.

You seem to think that just because I disagree with so much on the right that I'm all for other things on the left. I'm actually pretty conservative, but I am socially liberal.

I know that, Duchess, and that is precisely what confirmation bias is. "News" does *not* equal reality. Making conclusions on the basis of "news" empowers the people who make the news and relegates those who follow along to the role of sheep, and that's what has killed our democracy -- which was dead long before Trump showed up. We're supposed to be holding these people accountable, not allowing them to use us as pawns on a 3-D chessboard. No one should be allowed to frame and distort how we see the world, because that's far too much power for any group to safely have, left or right. It's extremely dangerous, and it's why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

I'm genuinely interested in knowing where you get your current events from so I too can be self righteous and denigrate all opinions that don't line up with my own world view. 

I look forward to seeing your posted links. Thanks!

What I'm saying is based mostly on my understanding of psychology, which is the foundation of public relations, mass media, and economics. With respect to current events, the difference between you and I is, I view them from multiple perspectives, whereas you view them from the perspective of a few sources, all of which are heavily censored and biased -- and yes, Fox News and Newsmax fall into that category, too. All you get from "news reporting" is a snapshot view that provides little or no context, whereas the ideal is a panoramic perspective that provides as much context as possible. "News" is mostly opinion, not factuality. If you really want to be informed, you have to do a whole lot more than watch/read news, which takes a considerable degree of effort. The best advice I can give anyone is to keep an open mind and try not to fall into the trap of thinking you know things that you don't, and be willing to rethink what you think you know.

That's what I do, and it doesn't come down to clicking on the right links. It's a matter of having general knowledge of philosophy, psychology, history, and human nature.

Odd, I don't think I've ever said where I get my news from other to say I get it from a variety of different sources so that I may make an informed opinion and yet, here you are telling me all I get from reporting is a simple snapshot that provides little or no context. Without knowing what I read or listen to you have determined that I have fallen into a trap of thinking I know things I actually don't and that news is opinion rather than facts.

(11-22-2021, 01:34 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-22-2021, 12:38 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-22-2021, 09:40 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 09:26 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 07:42 PM)Duchess Wrote: rothschild, I agree with that depiction because I watch/read the news.

You seem to think that just because I disagree with so much on the right that I'm all for other things on the left. I'm actually pretty conservative, but I am socially liberal.

I know that, Duchess, and that is precisely what confirmation bias is. "News" does *not* equal reality. Making conclusions on the basis of "news" empowers the people who make the news and relegates those who follow along to the role of sheep, and that's what has killed our democracy -- which was dead long before Trump showed up. We're supposed to be holding these people accountable, not allowing them to use us as pawns on a 3-D chessboard. No one should be allowed to frame and distort how we see the world, because that's far too much power for any group to safely have, left or right. It's extremely dangerous, and it's why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

I'm genuinely interested in knowing where you get your current events from so I too can be self righteous and denigrate all opinions that don't line up with my own world view. 

I look forward to seeing your posted links. Thanks!

What I'm saying is based mostly on my understanding of psychology, which is the foundation of public relations, mass media, and economics. With respect to current events, the difference between you and I is, I view them from multiple perspectives, whereas you view them from the perspective of a few sources, all of which are heavily censored and biased -- and yes, Fox News and Newsmax fall into that category, too. All you get from "news reporting" is a snapshot view that provides little or no context, whereas the ideal is a panoramic perspective that provides as much context as possible. "News" is mostly opinion, not factuality. If you really want to be informed, you have to do a whole lot more than watch/read news, which takes a considerable degree of effort. The best advice I can give anyone is to keep an open mind and try not to fall into the trap of thinking you know things that you don't, and be willing to rethink what you think you know.

That's what I do, and it doesn't come down to clicking on the right links. It's a matter of having general knowledge of philosophy, psychology, history, and human nature.

Odd, I don't think I've ever said where I get my news from other to say I get it from a variety of different sources so that I may make an informed opinion and yet, here you are telling me all I get from reporting is a simple snapshot that provides little or no context. Without knowing what I read or listen to you have determined that I have fallen into a trap of thinking I know things I actually don't and that news is opinion rather than facts.

Actually, you have said, on multiple occasions, and with perfect clarity: you won't touch anything that's tagged as "misinformation" with a 60' pole, which means you rely exclusively on "trusted sources" within the corporate ecosystem.

At this point, playing coy isn't serving you too terribly well, but with a repertoire as limited as yours, I suppose it doesn't really matter.

You try so hard.  

(11-22-2021, 02:08 PM)Duchess Wrote: You try so hard.  

I'm so sorry for being presumptuous, Duchess! Please forgive me!!!


Was that convincing?