(11-29-2021, 04:30 PM)MirahM Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 03:43 PM)rothschild Wrote: @Mirah

Do you think racism is a bigger problem than corruption?

RC
Everyone has issues that they care about or are concerned with.
Mine is equal rights, environment and proper treatment of animals.

Just because there is corruption, does not make racism or anything else a lesser cause. You seem to say to someone who cares about racism "But look at all of the corruption!"

I didn't ask you if you think corruption exists, I asked you if you think racism is a bigger problem.

Generally speaking, people who are serious about solving problems attempt to gain an understanding of causation. Contrary to what you've implied, I am suggesting that there may be a relationship between corruption and racism.

Throughout my life I've encountered people who professed concern for various issues, and the vast majority of them seemed to be completely ignorant with respect to diagnosing and solving problems -- which is a problem in and of itself, and a big one at that, as it leaves us dependent on others to do it for us, or to flail about haphazardly without achieving resolution.

That said, I'll ask again: do you think racism is a bigger problem than corruption?

(11-29-2021, 06:11 PM)Duchess Wrote: Right. Those horrible racist, privileged, criminal thieves. 

A goodly number of the blacks being put on pedestals by the left are criminals, and not just thieves.

Maybe you should consider converting your horse barn into a shelter for violent, black thugs, so you can provide them with the love and understanding that will surely transform them into healthy and productive human beings?

(11-29-2021, 03:35 PM)Duchess Wrote: Racism is alive & well in America and white privilege is a thing.

Do you have any personal experiences or know anyone personally that has experienced racism or has been affected by white privilege?

I believe you said you've never been around any black people in your life so how exactly do you know anything of what they experience?

(11-29-2021, 08:25 PM)sally Wrote: I believe you said you've never been around any black people in your life so how exactly do you know anything of what they experience?

I said I didn't grow up with black people, zero black people where I come from and you think I couldn't know anything about racism because of that? Seriously?   Okay, Sal.

If you have never in your life been around a black person then how exactly do you know about racism and how much it affects them? I suppose you know what life is like in China too? All you apparently know is what the media tells you.

I have been around blacks ever since I joined the service. I really didn't separate blacks or whites by their color. What I did notice was they tended to be OK until they got together with other black people. Then they started to get into group think. So it's not really a Racist thing but a cultural thing and that's the difference. But I'm sure that others may find that its much more. so much more. I just don't see it that way in the American freedom. We all have roadblocks. But blaming racism is not one. You either climb on top of the pile or get smothered at the bottom. We all have the opportunity some just don't have the fortitude.

They just do what they do like everyone else, there isnt no racism or white privilege holding them back. Give this shit a break already. But Mirah and Duchess who have never met a negro in their life like to keep it going.

I can't discount your individual experiences.

(11-29-2021, 07:20 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 06:11 PM)Duchess Wrote: Right. Those horrible racist, privileged, criminal thieves. 

A goodly number of the blacks being put on pedestals by the left are criminals, and not just thieves.

Maybe you should consider converting your horse barn into a shelter for violent, black thugs, so you can provide them with the love and understanding that will surely transform them into healthy and productive human beings?

A goodly # of whites being put on pedestals by the right (and left really) are criminals and thieves and pedophiles and rapists and maybe even murderers.

There is the corruption you want me to talk about.

What I've heard people say is that the system isn't broken, the system was designed to benefit certain people only. The whole system from the top right on down to the bottom of who goes to jail, for what and how long.

(11-30-2021, 12:17 AM)MirahM Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 07:20 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 06:11 PM)Duchess Wrote: Right. Those horrible racist, privileged, criminal thieves. 

A goodly number of the blacks being put on pedestals by the left are criminals, and not just thieves.

Maybe you should consider converting your horse barn into a shelter for violent, black thugs, so you can provide them with the love and understanding that will surely transform them into healthy and productive human beings?

A goodly # of whites being put on pedestals by the right (and left really) are criminals and thieves and pedophiles and rapists and maybe even murderers.

There is the corruption you want me to talk about.

What I've heard people say is that the system isn't broken, the system was designed to benefit certain people only. The whole system from the top right on down to the bottom of who goes to jail, for what and how long.

If we're perfectly honest about it, probably no one should be put on a pedestal.

I totally agree that the right is just as deficient as the left, which is why I reject the left/right dichotomy in it's entirety. I much prefer thinking to ideology.

I agree that the justice system has operated as it was intended to, but the root problem, IMO, is elitism, the "ism" from which all the others emanate, as they are very useful tools for social control. It also relates very much to hierarchy, a structure in which we are encouraged to forsake mutual beneficence for selfishness, which is profoundly destructive to societies. I reject a reordering of the social hierarchy for the benefit of blacks, or any other group, because the inherent nature of hierarchy is to sow selfishness and distrust. I instead support doing away with it altogether and adopting a socio-economics that is rational and egalitarian and holds power accountable. Those who hold power today will never allow that to happen, which is precisely why they are invested in policies that are exacerbating racial tension to the point that violence is increasing exponentially. It's Machiavelli on steroids. And it is brutally efficient.

I have remained in the neutral on this thread, but it is getting out of hand.

I grew up poor, white and with parents. The neighborhood I grew up in was overrun by inner city blacks in the late 1960's. I went to school every day with half the kids in school being black.

I can state this for a fact: the color of a person's skin has nothing to do with being trash. trash is trash, and it is a choice.

Are there racists, you bet, and they come in all colors and genders.

I can also state for a fact, the most racist group of people on this planet are the Scots and the Irish. In 1000 years, the Scots have traveled 6 counties in Ireland. They have been fighting the whole time.

I had the same opportunity that every kid in my hood had; the difference, I worked my ass off, studied, got educated, got a great job and made myself successful. The kids in my hood played basketball all day, did drugs and broke the law.

I got out, they didn't.

 The black kids I went to school with that did what I did are successful business men today, the others are dead, in jail or living in poverty. 

Life is easy in this country if you make the responsible choice. Blaming anything but your stupid choices is ludicrous.

(11-29-2021, 09:47 PM)sally Wrote: If you have never in your life been around a black person then how exactly do you know about racism and how much it affects them? I suppose you know what life is like in China too? All you apparently know is what the media tells you.

(11-29-2021, 11:05 PM)sally Wrote: They just do what they do like everyone else, there isnt no racism or white privilege holding them back. Give this shit a break already. But Mirah and Duchess who have never met a negro in their life like to keep it going.

Where the hell do you get that I have never met or been around black people? I live in what is considered a southern state. You've lost whatever clarity you once had. Maybe give some thought to putting down the bottle, Sal. You're in a thread titled jogging while black, that's what the discussion is about, if you're uninterested in participating, then don't, it would be a better choice for you rather than bitching about the topic.

Pappy, that's all well & good, but doesn't have anything to do with racism in America.

(11-30-2021, 05:59 AM)Duchess Wrote: Pappy, that's all well & good, but doesn't have anything to do with racism in America.

because racism isn't the problem in America. Children with no adult supervision, politicians trying social experiments on a vast scale, amoral behavior being touted as normal and a general lack of respect are the problems, we really face.

do racists exist? yes, but they are a very small part of the population.

fixing the problem is easy, reinforce the nuclear family, put God back in schools, enforce equal justice and teach founding principles to the kids. take away the profit from the race baiters and viola.

this fine man says it better than I ever could.

That's a good video.

(11-29-2021, 11:05 PM)sally Wrote: They just do what they do like everyone else, there isnt no racism or white privilege holding them back. Give this shit a break already. But Mirah and Duchess who have never met a negro in their life like to keep it going.

I'll give it a rest.
I just came in here to post what Gabbi had said and while I was doing that I imagined what people here would say and how they would react.
I wasn't wrong.

(11-30-2021, 01:20 PM)MirahM Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 11:05 PM)sally Wrote: They just do what they do like everyone else, there isnt no racism or white privilege holding them back. Give this shit a break already. But Mirah and Duchess who have never met a negro in their life like to keep it going.

I'll give it a rest.
I just came in here to post what Gabbi had said and while I was doing that I imagined what people here would say and how they would react.
I wasn't wrong.

Fine, you and Sally go sit in the corner and pout. Let us know when you're done.

(11-30-2021, 08:25 AM)pyropappy Wrote:

(11-30-2021, 05:59 AM)Duchess Wrote: Pappy, that's all well & good, but doesn't have anything to do with racism in America.

because racism isn't the problem in America. Children with no adult supervision, politicians trying social experiments on a vast scale, amoral behavior being touted as normal and a general lack of respect are the problems, we really face.

do racists exist? yes, but they are a very small part of the population.

fixing the problem is easy, reinforce the nuclear family, put God back in schools, enforce equal justice and teach founding principles to the kids. take away the profit from the race baiters and viola.

You're correct that racism isn't "the problem" in America, but it is a serious problem. And so is victim psychology and tribalism, which critical race theory promotes.
Just because some of us have done OK for ourselves doesn't mean that the only problem is some people don't try hard enough. It's a bit more complex than that. What the hell do you think welfare was intended to do, encourage independence and entrepreneurialism?