(03-15-2022, 11:49 AM)sally Wrote:

(03-15-2022, 11:19 AM)Duchess Wrote: *face palm*

What's the face palm for? Russia says that far-right Ukranian force are hiding behind civilians and Ukraine denies it. Have you been there lately in the middle of it that you know for a fact who to believe? I haven't, but what is a fact is that they have far right force and Putin could level Ukraine if he really wanted to.

They're holed up in Mariupol. No dignity or honor, or they'd surrender, as there's no way out for them.

Amid continued Russian advances in Ukraine, Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett reportedly advised the government in Kiev to accept Moscow’s terms for concluding the conflict. This was equated by many in the Ukrainian government, as well as by some Israeli media outlets, as calling for a Ukrainian surrender, and may reflect the consensus view of Israeli intelligence regarding the chances Kiev has of strengthening its position in the coming period as its military position increasingly appears to falter. The Ukrainian government has itself shown growing signs of desperation, and strongly criticised NATO member states for not intervening directly on its behalf in particular to wage an air campaign in Ukrainian airspace.

One senior Ukrainian official claimed that Israel was “using the mediation as an excuse to justify the fact that Israel is avoiding transferring military aid to Ukraine or joining the sanctions slapped on Russia,” while analysts have speculated that Tel Aviv has a strong interest in ending the conflict for economic reasons and gave Ukraine a realistic analysis of its prospects for prevailing which Ukrainian officials were far from pleased to hear. Israel’s ability to act more independently than other countries in the Western sphere of influence, particularly in its relations with China and Russia the latter which it has particularly strong ties with due largely to its sizeable Russian ethnic minority, has allowed it to serve as a bridge between Moscow and Kiev which lack formal diplomatic relations. Tel Aviv has nevertheless come under considerable Western pressure to take a hard line against the Russian position, much as it came under sustained pressure to downgrade ties with China and limit economic cooperation in the preceding three years.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/articl...ns-reports

I just wish both parties could agree on something. Further fighting will lead to other nations doing stupid things with America first in line with our senile dope drooling on the paper. Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

(03-19-2022, 11:43 AM)Maggot Wrote:  Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

No, he wasn't. You getting your news the same place Sally does?

(03-19-2022, 12:15 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-19-2022, 11:43 AM)Maggot Wrote:  Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

No, he wasn't. You getting your news the same place Sally does?

Where do you get your news from?

There are pictures of Brandon and his coke addled son sitting with Burisma and a Chinese rep from 2016. There is a Russian corroborating in the Iranian nuclear talks. It's not a good look after Brandon begging the middle east for oil.

You mean this?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...olf-ukrai/

(03-19-2022, 11:43 AM)Maggot Wrote: I just wish both parties could agree on something. Further fighting will lead to other nations doing stupid things with America first in line with our senile dope drooling on the paper. Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

Apparently you miss the point of war.

Is what you really mean to say is that you wish Ukraine would stand down?

(03-19-2022, 05:06 PM)MirahM Wrote:

(03-19-2022, 11:43 AM)Maggot Wrote: I just wish both parties could agree on something. Further fighting will lead to other nations doing stupid things with America first in line with our senile dope drooling on the paper. Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

Apparently you miss the point of war.

Is what you really mean to say is that you wish Ukraine would stand down?

Miss the point of war? What do you think is going on in Yemen now and why aren't they making headlines over here? Are the people of Ukraine extra special because that's what the media is feeding you?

This war didn't have to be and I'm going back to my analogy of people rooting for it like a twisted football game.

Also billions of dollars of our tax payers dollars going over there in weapons are being destroyed. We should not be involved in this.

(03-19-2022, 12:15 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-19-2022, 11:43 AM)Maggot Wrote:  Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

No, he wasn't. You getting your news the same place Sally does?

Corruption is the only explanation for the vice president's son ending up on the board of a Ukrainian energy firm. There is no other plausible explanation.

(03-19-2022, 05:02 PM)MirahM Wrote: You mean this?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...olf-ukrai/

Politifact is the worst of the worst when it comes to fact-checkers.

(03-19-2022, 06:26 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(03-19-2022, 05:02 PM)MirahM Wrote: You mean this?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...olf-ukrai/

Politifact is the worst of the worst when it comes to fact-checkers.

I'd say they are pretty good at checking facts compared to you.

(03-19-2022, 05:06 PM)MirahM Wrote:

(03-19-2022, 11:43 AM)Maggot Wrote: I just wish both parties could agree on something. Further fighting will lead to other nations doing stupid things with America first in line with our senile dope drooling on the paper. Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

Apparently you miss the point of war.

Is what you really mean to say is that you wish Ukraine would stand down?

I do, because the alternative is a new world war that the West has zero chance of winning with conventional arms.

(03-19-2022, 05:06 PM)MirahM Wrote:

(03-19-2022, 11:43 AM)Maggot Wrote: I just wish both parties could agree on something. Further fighting will lead to other nations doing stupid things with America first in line with our senile dope drooling on the paper. Biden was hip deep in Ukrainian corruption before all this started.

Apparently you miss the point of war.

Is what you really mean to say is that you wish Ukraine would stand down?

Putin is a monger yeah, but becoming entangled in foreign intervention should not be based on emotion. What is our strategic advantage here?

Ukraine has every right in the world to fight for their democracy. They defend their Capitol, unlike those in the United States who literally smear their shit on the walls of our Capitol. Ukrainians want democracy and are willing to die for it. Telling any of those courageous people to stand down is some kind of fucked up and those of you who think they should, should all go fuck yourselves. 

(03-19-2022, 07:29 PM)Duchess Wrote: Ukraine has every right in the world to fight for their democracy. They defend their Capitol, unlike those in the United States who literally smear their shit on the walls of our Capitol. Ukrainians want democracy and are willing to die for it. Telling any of those courageous people to stand down is some kind of fucked up and those of you who think they should, should all go fuck yourselves. 

The Ukrainian government wants democracy just like Hitler wanted socialism. Zelensky signed law № 1616-IX, which defines indigenous people as those of Scandinavian or Germanic origin. That's a racial law, much like the ones that were passed by the German government in the 30's. Democratic societies do not attack civilian populations with military force, which Ukraine has been doing since 2014. They have committed the same sorts of war crimes that Serbia did not too long ago.

There is nothing democratic about the Ukraine government. Nothing.

(03-19-2022, 07:29 PM)Duchess Wrote: Ukraine has every right in the world to fight for their democracy. They defend their Capitol, unlike those in the United States who literally smear their shit on the walls of our Capitol. Ukrainians want democracy and are willing to die for it. Telling any of those courageous people to stand down is some kind of fucked up and those of you who think they should, should all go fuck yourselves. 

You're a brain washed fucking idiot and have no business even suggesting what the Ukraine civilians want, you goddamn asshole piece of shit.

How do you even suggest such a thing or have the audacity to say what the Ukranian people want. You're sick, people are mourning the death of their children.