The following warnings occurred:
Warning [2] Undefined property: MyLanguage::$archive_pages - Line: 2 - File: printthread.php(287) : eval()'d code PHP 8.2.28 (Linux)
File Line Function
/inc/class_error.php 153 errorHandler->error
/printthread.php(287) : eval()'d code 2 errorHandler->error_callback
/printthread.php 287 eval
/printthread.php 117 printthread_multipage



Mock
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Printable Version

+- Mock (https://mockforums.net)
+-- Forum: Serious Shit? (https://mockforums.net/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Lady Cop's Cell Block - Crime Forum (https://mockforums.net/forum-21.html)
+--- Thread: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered (/thread-4737.html)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168 1169 1170 1171 1172 1173 1174 1175 1176 1177 1178 1179 1180 1181 1182 1183 1184 1185 1186 1187 1188 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 1196 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 1204 1205 1206 1207 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1214 1215 1216 1217 1218 1219 1220 1221

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Lady Cop - 07-19-2012

i couldn't hear a damn thing. i was disappointed as hell, will try again soon.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 06:02 PM)JsMom Wrote: I tried watching the videos but I couldn't hear it. So, I turned my speakers all the way up but still couldn't hear shit. :( Anyone else having the same problem?

Yes me, it's like a whisper, please turn up the volume in the court room! thanks!

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Duchess - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 06:14 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: Do you think it's time to stop our speculations?????


Hell no! Holy Moly! I only meant that it was much easier for me to remain detached when I was simply reading about it.

The prosecutor paints a very vivid picture of the duct tape, how tightly the bags were taped around their throats, tight to the point of cutting off their air. When he described the petechia on Johnny's face it was so disturbing, he spoke of it being on the top half of his face but there was nothing but a clean white path on the bottom half and how that meant pressure had been applied there, he had been held down with force.

I know people are saying that Lisa died first, I'm not debating this, I want to be clear on that, I'm not argumentative about this but I could have sworn the prosecutor said that cardboard found on Lisa's tape meant that she died last. It's right around the twenty minute mark. As a couple of you already mentioned, it is exceeding difficult to hear.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - rotten_cotton - 07-19-2012

The video stops playing for me after 30 seconds :(

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - justme - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 06:34 PM)NightOwl Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 06:02 PM)JsMom Wrote: I tried watching the videos but I couldn't hear it. So, I turned my speakers all the way up but still couldn't hear shit. :( Anyone else having the same problem?

Yes me, it's like a whisper, please turn up the volume in the court room! thanks!

I was sitting in the courtroom and had a hard time hearing. Microphone was probably 10 ft. away from podium and neither person spoke very loud. I hope channel 13 will post the whole trial. that would be great. BUT I enjoy being where the action is. Great option if i can't get in tho.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 07-19-2012

I just finished watching all three parts. No sound problem. No problems at all. Nothing that I didn't really know either.

Pettaway's defense is going to be that DNA is portable. Maybe he gave a half-smoked cigarette to his buddy Sam. Johnny was selling weed out the Straub's home. Sam may have been over at some point to buy weed from Johnny with that half-smoked cigarette. Nothing to prove it was part of the murders. Sharita Crumby left a cigarette butt weeks before.

LE ignored leads, Johnny owed a lot of people money including Anthony and Christopher Watson. The jurors are going to wonder what John and Maytee knew about what was going on and what happened to Johnny and Lisa. All the usual suspects like Tiff, Zach, AP and Alex C.

And of course, the crime scene was contaminated and corrupted.

The Judge believes the trial will last one week.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Aberlin - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 04:08 PM)shitstorm Wrote: [quote='pspence' pid='269067' dateline='1342693478']
Usually opening statements lay out their case and it's sounds like all they have is a cigarette butt. I sure hope that's wrong.

Didn't they mention "other circumstantial evidence" or something along those lines?

I'm starting to let myself hope the prosecution has some serious aces up their sleeves and the reason they are waiting might have something to do with involving other or even avoiding a plea to get out of an appropriate sentence.

In order for something to make it to trial there needs to be a certain amount of evidence already. Also with the prosecution has a lot of unlabeled evidence the defense kept demanding to be revealed but the judge allowed it to be kept secret.

Lets not forget about our confidential witnesses...they may be the nails in the coffin.

Just trying to cheer everyone up...hope its not in vain. Criminals are stupid....unlike the movies. They want to be viewed as badasses so I feel very confident someone ran their mouth. Bragging if you will.

Cheer up everyone. I think the prosecution is hiding something.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 07-19-2012

http://www.13abc.com/video?clipId=7518200&autostart=true This is working for me. Very loud . I think this is a different link. When I click on the previous link another trail story opens. THIS IS A MUST SEE! IMO

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 07-19-2012

I'll keep playing devil's advocate here. No matter how gruesome the descriptions of the crime and crime scene are, and the prosecution is banking on that for the emotional appeal, they must tie the defendants to Johnny's and Lisa's dead bodies. It's really disturbing that the DNA on the murder victims belongs to people other than the defendants. What this tells me is, "Someone else killed Johnny and Lisa but we've got these other guys, here, who smoked in the garage". Or, as floated, only one of those guys smoked in the garage, having gotten the cig from his buddy. Does that mean Williams was in the garage, getting the cig from Pettaway, or the other way around? When were they (or one of them) there? The night of the murders or days before? I would not be satisfied, as a juror, to be hearing that it's not the killers on trial for murder but their possible accomplices or lookouts.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - rotten_cotton - 07-19-2012

I have been trying to catch up on this thread over the past few weeks in preparation for the trial. I may have missed it but I thought Tiffany went to the house alone??? In the opening statements they are saying Zack was with her??

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - soothsayer - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 07:27 PM)shitstorm Wrote: ..we've got these other guys, here, who smoked in the garage". Or, as floated, only one of those guys smoked in the garage, having gotten the cig from his buddy. Does that mean Williams was in the garage, getting the cig from Pettaway, or the other way around?

They both smoked off the same cig -- one didn't just hand it to the other. Nervous.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Mustang - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 06:14 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: i couldn't hear a damn thing. i was disappointed as hell, will try again soon.

I could hear, but it was very faint. Plugged a small pair of earbuds into my laptop and could hear fine. Fascinating to watch, and so much better than relying on what the media decides is worth reporting. JustMe is a far better reporter than any working in the Toledo market.

A couple of interesting notes (at least interesting to me): The word is that Lisa and Johnny had been using Oxycontin, but what was prevalent in their systems was Percocet. Let this be a warning to all you aspiring drug addicts out there...you never know what you're buying. Man...if you can't trust your dealer, who can you trust? Also, earlier posts mentioned Lisa being in her room to change from her work clothes, shower, etc. I was told by someone who viewed the photos of the bodies that it appeared that Lisa was still wearing her work uniform. Not sure whether that's important but since some have posted about it I thought I'd share.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - JsMom - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 06:34 PM)NightOwl Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 06:02 PM)JsMom Wrote: I tried watching the videos but I couldn't hear it. So, I turned my speakers all the way up but still couldn't hear shit. :( Anyone else having the same problem?

Yes me, it's like a whisper, please turn up the volume in the court room! thanks!

45846688jerry GET WITH IT!!! turn it up! I was bummed.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 07-19-2012

I couldn't make heads or tails out of that photo of Johnny. I guess the dark spot was the wallet.

And to Mustang, I've always read it was percocets. Way, way, way back some member told the story of percocets and Zach.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - soothsayer - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 11:09 AM)justme Wrote: Crap, crap, crap---just reread my post from yesterday about opening statements and I miss spoke when I said Lisa died first. They did say that Johnny most likely died first. I thought I reread my post but I missed that. A thousand apologies. Hope that doesn't mess up my credibility!!!

They don't seem to actually know for sure. Liver temps, for instance, can ballpark it but are not that accurate for determining differences of say minutes. They died around the same time, pretty much, I think is what we can conclude.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - JsMom - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 07:47 PM)Mustang Wrote: Not sure whether that's important but since some have posted about it I thought I'd share.

THANKS FOR SHARING

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - NightOwl - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 07:56 PM)Adub Wrote: I couldn't make heads or tails out of that photo of Johnny. I guess the dark spot was the wallet.

And to Mustang, I've always read it was percocets. Way, way, way back some member told the story of percocets and Zach.

Adub, did you catch both Watson brothers were mentioned I was shocked by that one Johnny owed them money!

It may have been Jash away back near the beginning that brought Mr. Z up she knew things.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - shitstorm - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 07:47 PM)soothsayer Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 07:27 PM)shitstorm Wrote: ..we've got these other guys, here, who smoked in the garage". Or, as floated, only one of those guys smoked in the garage, having gotten the cig from his buddy. Does that mean Williams was in the garage, getting the cig from Pettaway, or the other way around?

They both smoked off the same cig -- one didn't just hand it to the other. Nervous.

One could reasonably assume that. I was just extrapolating from what Pettaway's lawyer proposed. The more important point is that W's and P's DNA was not on the bodies or the instruments of murder - the bags and duct tape. Somebody else's was and that's a huge problem.

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Older Than Dirt - 07-19-2012

I guess to watch the video you have to have a REAL computer with nice speakers and at least a 17" monitor!!!!!!!!Blowing-kisses

RE: Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered - Adub - 07-19-2012

(07-19-2012, 08:07 PM)NightOwl Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 07:56 PM)Adub Wrote: I couldn't make heads or tails out of that photo of Johnny. I guess the dark spot was the wallet.

And to Mustang, I've always read it was percocets. Way, way, way back some member told the story of percocets and Zach.

Adub, did you catch both Watson brothers were mentioned I was shocked by that one Johnny owed them money!

It may have been Jash away back near the beginning that brought Mr. Z up she knew things.

AW & CW Smiley_emoticons_smile At one point I looked them both up on the court website and facebook. Both were in discovery. But seeing as they are mentioned in the defense's opening argument, they probably mean nothing. Seems that the defense is going to go back and try and throw out all the investigative leads that went nowhere. And attempt to use that as reasonable doubt.