(02-25-2011, 11:00 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 10:54 AM)fabulous Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 10:08 AM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 03:43 AM)RJs-Ex Wrote: I was meandering on FB, looking at the players' in this case friends of friends of friends of friends... and ran across this pic of Lisa. The pic was added to FB on Sept 28, 2010 but who knows when it was actually taken.

Yep, and look who is standing right behind Lisa....geez, and I recognize a couple of other faces in there too...

can u pm me the link too? I've done a shit ton of facebook stalking over the last couple of days and I haven't run into this pic either!

I wonder if LIsa's parents are now getting the real drift of who her b/f was and what his so called friends were all about. so sad.so so sad.

Fabulous: Are you talking to me, I didn't post this picture so I don't know where RJ got it from?

(02-25-2011, 12:50 AM)pspence Wrote: ...Tiffany just told me in our correspondance that she called Sharita immediately and asked her for JC's parents # to tell them of something might be going on and Sharita wouldn't give it to her (made sense because Sharita is the one who eventually called Maytee)......she truly seemed distraught to me...

(02-25-2011, 11:26 AM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

(02-25-2011, 11:36 AM)toledoarea Wrote: I'm starting to think Lisa started hanging with the wrong crowd, "the southside boys" and then met Johnny. I don't think Johnny met Lisa and then introduced Lisa to the crowd. Which makes a little bit of difference. Right now I'm thinking Lisa's family wish she'd never met Johnny, when really they should be wishing Lisa never got involved with the crowd that hangs around Johnny.

(02-25-2011, 11:31 AM)Love Hippos Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 12:50 AM)pspence Wrote: ...Tiffany just told me in our correspondance that she called Sharita immediately and asked her for JC's parents # to tell them of something might be going on and Sharita wouldn't give it to her (made sense because Sharita is the one who eventually called Maytee)......she truly seemed distraught to me...

In your above post, you state Tiffany mentioned to you she called Sharita IMMEDIATELY? This contradicts all public information, including her posts at Mock. Would you mind sharing the messages she sent to you?

Also in your post quoted above, you believe Tiff seemed truly distraught. She certainly didn't seem that way to me on the 911 call. Did you pick this up in her FB convo with you? If so, maybe you're projecting your own hope she feels bad. It's one thing to email/IM a friend and understand the emotions behind the words. It's another to have an internet conversation with a stranger, particularly one who seems to have sociopathic tendencies and is vested in proving her innocence. Sadly, Tiffany most likely was yanking your chain - just as she was trying to do to us the other night here at Mock.

(02-25-2011, 11:26 AM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

(02-25-2011, 11:51 AM)pspence Wrote: all i know is that Tiffany knew Johnny first and met Lisa through her friendship with Johnny

(02-25-2011, 11:54 AM)c-bus Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 11:26 AM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

I agree Toledo is not a shithole but it is cheap to live there and not a lot of jobs so therefore there are a lot of people like this. I am originally from lima, hour south of toledo
And my bf from toledo and we left both because there is not a lot of jobs. I've always said toledo is a bigger lima...low income and drug infested in some areas. I now live in a columbus suburb...single mother college graduate that works 2 full time jobs to make sure my 16 year old son see a better way than being a dope dealer making fast money.... but even in the suburbs u see the drugs. Its different though...pills and weed is what they are into. Pill addiction is big and these kids have the money to spend. That is why lisa gets mixed up with TW because they have that in common and the only thing that separates them in the neighborhoods they grew up in. I believe lisa was on this path prior to ever meeting JC so u can't blame him for her addiction...my opinion only.

(02-25-2011, 11:36 AM)toledoarea Wrote: I'm starting to think Lisa started hanging with the wrong crowd, "the southside boys" and then met Johnny. I don't think Johnny met Lisa and then introduced Lisa to the crowd. Which makes a little bit of difference. Right now I'm thinking Lisa's family wish she'd never met Johnny, when really they should be wishing Lisa never got involved with the crowd that hangs around Johnny.

(02-25-2011, 12:02 PM)pspence Wrote: I remember a professor once saying that we need to legalize drugs because we'll never win that war...put the $$ instead into education and treatment...it was not the "drugs" that made people violent/crime/murder but the "business of drugs" that was responsible for the violence/crime/murders...I remember being shocked at first at thinking legalizing all drugs ...but then think of all of the addicts in jail that maybe wouldn't have been exposed to this gangsta life...get the non-violent ones out of jail ...who cares if they sit home all day and get wasted as long as they don't hurt any innocent people...open up room in the jails for the pedophiles and murderers that now they have to let out early because of no room...just food for thought...

Some cute kids way way over their heads...like someone said...in a world / culture Lisa probably had no idea what those around her were capable of....

(02-25-2011, 11:36 AM)toledoarea Wrote: I'm starting to think Lisa started hanging with the wrong crowd, "the southside boys" and then met Johnny. I don't think Johnny met Lisa and then introduced Lisa to the crowd. Which makes a little bit of difference. Right now I'm thinking Lisa's family wish she'd never met Johnny, when really they should be wishing Lisa never got involved with the crowd that hangs around Johnny.

(02-25-2011, 11:54 AM)pspence Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 11:31 AM)Love Hippos Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 12:50 AM)pspence Wrote: ...Tiffany just told me in our correspondance that she called Sharita immediately and asked her for JC's parents # to tell them of something might be going on and Sharita wouldn't give it to her (made sense because Sharita is the one who eventually called Maytee)......she truly seemed distraught to me...

In your above post, you state Tiffany mentioned to you she called Sharita IMMEDIATELY? This contradicts all public information, including her posts at Mock. Would you mind sharing the messages she sent to you?

Also in your post quoted above, you believe Tiff seemed truly distraught. She certainly didn't seem that way to me on the 911 call. Did you pick this up in her FB convo with you? If so, maybe you're projecting your own hope she feels bad. It's one thing to email/IM a friend and understand the emotions behind the words. It's another to have an internet conversation with a stranger, particularly one who seems to have sociopathic tendencies and is vested in proving her innocence. Sadly, Tiffany most likely was yanking your chain - just as she was trying to do to us the other night here at Mock.

could have been yanking chain but I still believed her...

(02-25-2011, 11:03 AM)toledoarea Wrote: Good find on the picture. It looks like Tiff is gettin ready to ash her newport on top of Lisa's head. On a serious note, the guy in the white atlanta braves hat is right next to Lisa. Isn't that the guy that was on some other pics with Lisa on the boat? Could he have had the burns for Lisa and maybe was a lil jealous of Johnny? I don't see Johnny and I find it odd that lisa would be in this crowd without Johnny. Unless he's the one taking the pic

(02-25-2011, 12:28 PM)LoserCity Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 11:03 AM)toledoarea Wrote: Good find on the picture. It looks like Tiff is gettin ready to ash her newport on top of Lisa's head. On a serious note, the guy in the white atlanta braves hat is right next to Lisa. Isn't that the guy that was on some other pics with Lisa on the boat? Could he have had the burns for Lisa and maybe was a lil jealous of Johnny? I don't see Johnny and I find it odd that lisa would be in this crowd without Johnny. Unless he's the one taking the pic

"It looks like Tiff is gettin ready to ash her newport on top of Lisa's head"

Funniest thing I've heard all week. I seriously could not stop laughing when I read this.

(02-25-2011, 11:26 AM)My3littlepiggies Wrote: Just a little something. I don't know if it sheds any light on the crime. About ten years ago a group of friends that had just graduated a couple of years before from Bowsher High School (same high school as a lot of these characters) murdered their friend for drugs. Shot him in the back of the head while they were riding in his car and broke all his bones and shoved him in a drain pipe. It took about a year for LE to get the whole case together but they did get a conviction. This was a robbery for drug money. Although, the method of murder is not the same it was still very brutal. I don't remember all the reports but I believe they also poured gasoline or acid on him. However, contrary to what several people want to harp on. Toledo is not a shithole filled in drug dealing criminals. We have problems like any other big city. (we are not a tiny honkey tonk town) But Toledo is not a shithole.

(02-25-2011, 12:30 PM)EastCoastKat Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 12:28 PM)LoserCity Wrote:

(02-25-2011, 11:03 AM)toledoarea Wrote: Good find on the picture. It looks like Tiff is gettin ready to ash her newport on top of Lisa's head. On a serious note, the guy in the white atlanta braves hat is right next to Lisa. Isn't that the guy that was on some other pics with Lisa on the boat? Could he have had the burns for Lisa and maybe was a lil jealous of Johnny? I don't see Johnny and I find it odd that lisa would be in this crowd without Johnny. Unless he's the one taking the pic

"It looks like Tiff is gettin ready to ash her newport on top of Lisa's head"

Funniest thing I've heard all week. I seriously could not stop laughing when I read this.

Yes, he is the guy in the white hat and he is in another picture with Tiff.

(02-25-2011, 02:18 AM)kitty1 Wrote:

(02-24-2011, 11:29 PM)pspence Wrote: OMG...DC TIM.....if what you say is true...

"I've learned from a VERY reliable source today that LE knows who the perps were. Suffice to say that some of the recent contributors here were right on the mark.

I think what they're waiting for is DNA evidence to be returned before any arrests are made.

Sadly, what we have heard about LS being tortured is evidently correct. Worse than we've read here I'm told". ...and then later DC Tim, you say "this was all about JC"...sounds like a drug deal gone bad - like thousands of others across the nation - except in this case instead of someone strung out and shooting them, JC sold the wrong guy some bad dope...the guy(s) turned out to be psychopaths with maybe an extra sociopath jealous home girls of Lisa thrown in.

The party at their house earlier...the perfect storm of disaster...all it takes from someone unbalanced jealous girlfriend is to see her homeboy staring at the pretty Lisa a little too long...in her gorgeous home...while her homeboy is getting bad dope from JC...am I on the right track here DC Tim?

I think that is certainly a possibility. I believe, however, that this was much more personal. It just seems too hard core for a drug deal gone bad. IMO I think that JC was dealing drugs but I don't think that he was a "big time" dealer. I believe he was a small fish and wasn't flipping hundreds of thousands of dollars or even tens of thousands. I know that people have been killed over a $20 drug debt but I don't think someone(no matter how gansta) would kill in this manner for a $500 or even a $1,000 debt. I believe the guy that he snitched on a few years back sought revenge. I think that the crowd JC associated with (or more importantly used to associate with) view snitching as the ultimate betrayal. I think torturing and killing Lisa in front of JC was the ultimate revenge. IMO the perps chose what they felt would be the most physically and emotionally painful method of revenge and death. I think their plan was, of course, based on what they felt they could get away with at the time. JMO