Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[Snoopy]

Your point makes sense- If the alarm was set, then they could of only have entered when the victims did- without triggering the alarm. If the key in fact, was to the alarm system- this would explain why it was found on the floor, perhaps after a struggle, as the uncle indicated there had been one.
I wonder if alarm systems, log anything for each time an alarm is set, so that there may be a record of this (?)

As far as "what" they wanted to steal- I have no guess on this. So many rumors about drug use, which creates a possibility, but nothing verified that there were drugs- and yet, the family lived in a nice home with nice things- which could of been incentive, and yet, they were not touched- so it is hard to tell- and with walls kicked in, the Uncle believes they thought there was a safe... so many possibilities on "what" they could want to steal- or thought they might find...

[EastCoastKat]

WOW, is it me or what? I couldn't get on here for about 45 minutes, and I'm SWEATIN" ::scared::

I NEED MY MOCK IN THE MORNIN!

[EastCoastKat]

just listened to the 911 call again. Maytee says "the car is in the driveway".. she's says it twice

edited to add - it's where you can tell Maytee is getting pissed off w/the dispatcher ... Lisa's car WAS in the driveway

Well I guess its the driveway then thanks

definately in the driveway, per Maytee & Tiffany, so far.

"Miss Straub's car was in the garage, and it did not appear they had gone out at all that evening, she said." Post #1 of this thread.

[kfran]

ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

[Freshbait78]

WOW, is it me or what? I couldn't get on here for about 45 minutes, and I'm SWEATIN" ::scared::

I NEED MY MOCK IN THE MORNIN!

I couldn't either. This is the 1^st site I check when I log on in the morning & I was all like WTF!!?? lol

[Lady Cop]

WOW, is it me or what? I couldn't get on here for about 45 minutes, and I'm SWEATIN" ::scared::

I NEED MY MOCK IN THE MORNIN!

I couldn't either. This is the 1^st site I check when I log on in the morning & I was all like WTF!!?? lol

we are still having goddamn server issues. we aren't happy about it either. it costs money to operate. we are dealing as best we can.

[EastCoastKat]

Finally caught up on all the posts. I'm not going to bash TW, her character on other forums speaks for itself (MS and FB). I found it very odd when listening to the 911 calls, that she had an answer to everything before it was even asked...i.e., "I called to let him know I was gonna run to the store, My friends mom just got home so I borrowed her car," etc. I am paraphrasing here, but my point is that liars over-explain things. They need to get all their facts straight in their own heads before talking to anyone and have answers that are rehearsed. I keep thinking that if I were in the same situation, being put on the phone with 911 and all, I would probably be saying something like "This is really crazy" or "I don't know what's up, but something isn't right here..." I wouldn't be able to rattle off a series of events in chronological order as TW so easily did.

I can see where you're going with this but have a different spin on it...

TW had spoken with several people before the 911 call. Ruben (I think), Sharita, Maytee and JC's father on the way over to the house. She would have had to relay the series of events a number of times. This is what, in my mind, makes all the "umm's" during the 911 call so strange.

There are too many discrepancies in her replys here and the 911 call.
Here is another one I found here on the board:

Another discrepancy on the board....

"johnnys exact words were "bro wut r u doin"...and then he said tiff ima call u back.thats y i didnt call any one.he said hed call me back.after a hour of him not answering or showing up thats when i drove there. " Post 3098

13 post later:

"i could not hear what the other guy was sayin he sounded kinda far away but also johnny kept asking him bro who are you so he was talking over the man.i only heard 1 voice tho.yes the phone calls did verify. " Post 3111

These may seem like small things, but I keep finding them over and over and over....leads me to believe something is off with TW altogether. So some of Maytee's confusion may have come from TW herself!!
( I said some, okay!)

[EastCoastKat]

WOW, is it me or what? I couldn't get on here for about 45 minutes, and I'm SWEATIN" ::scared::

I NEED MY MOCK IN THE MORNIN!

I couldn't either. This is the 1^st site I check when I log on in the morning & I was all like WTF!!?? lol

we are still having goddamn server issues. we aren't happy about it either. it costs money to operate. we are dealing as best we can.

We understand LC, that's why we keep commin back. Besides...YOU WON'T GET RID OF US THAT EASY, LOL!

[Freshbait78]

WOW, is it me or what? I couldn't get on here for about 45 minutes, and I'm SWEATIN" ::scared::

I NEED MY MOCK IN THE MORNIN!

I couldn't either. This is the 1^st site I check when I log on in the morning & I was all like WTF!!?? lol

we are still having goddamn server issues. we aren't happy about it either. it costs money to operate. we are dealing as best we can.

We understand LC, that's why we keep commin back. Besides...YOU WON'T GET RID OF US THAT EASY, LOL!

Ditto

[HeartBreaker]

You think much like I do LC! From the beginning I have strongly felt this was an intended robbery- and yes, the LE have not implied that it was "random!"
It is my opinion, that the phone call from the "friend" was intended to lure the victims from the home, so that it could be robbed, and that the victims crossed paths with the person (s), who were there to rob the home.

My guess is that, if they were leaving the home- and taking LS's car, which was parked in the garage, the perp(s) were probably in the garage, intending to enter the home through the interior door.

In my opinion, the victims were familiar with their attackers, and this is why they were killed.
The comments that the victim allegedly made, while speaking to their "friend" before the phone went dead, should be taken lightly, since this person would have a self serving reason, to not speak the truth- if they played any part in this crime.

While it is true that this is a horrible crime, and some have stated that the method of using trash bags to kill the victims, shows anger and hatred, the need to punish them, I am not sure I completely agree with this.
My thoughts are, that it could also be a coward way to kill, kind of a hands off approach, it would seem.
In crimes with extreme anger or hatred, you usually will find more violence, beaten beyond recognition- stabbed beyond what it would take to kill someone, overkill, so to speak.

The marks around the neck could indicate the killer(s) did attempt to strangle the victims first.
Strangulation takes a great deal of time, and strength- although it is not always portrayed this way, on t.v. and movies.
Using plastic bags, accomplishes two objectives, 1) left there long enough, the victims will die, and 2) if the killer does know the victims, he does not have to see them, or see the looks on their face.
If the plastic bags did not come from the home, but were brought there by the killers, it could of been to carry away stolen goods- and not necessarily for the purpose to kill.

The fact that not much was taken from the home, may be due to the panic of things getting out of hand, as well as police being sent to the home for a well check- interrupted?

The friend on the phone, did not contact anyone to say something may be wrong for several hours- which indeed lends to much suspicion.
The lapse in time between the events that took place, and the phone calls to alert someone, would have allowed for establishing alibis, getting stories straight, cleaning up potential evidence- then coming forward as a concerned friend, might be an effort to deflect suspicion as well... One could easily say, why would I be calling for help, and worried about them, if I were involved?

Of course, this is all just my take on things, and I do not pretend to be an expert, nor do I imply, there are no other options. It is just the feeling I get, from what information has been released thus far.
This "friend' may not be involved at all, and if I am wrong about that, I will be the first to say so, but something does not sit right with it all, in my opinion.

And I agree with you again LC, that I think the Police have a good idea of what took place and who is involved, and they are collecting evidence -awaiting results on evidence, before moving forward with an arrest.
That arrest, could not come a day too soon!

And its just a guess, but I think there are at least 2 people involved, probably 3, and one will roll on the others (thinking 2 involved in the break in, but at least 1 other, in setting it up- and this is just a guess!)

This was a senseless and terrible crime- May justice come soon!!!

snoopy... i went to bed thinking of your theory... i was completely convinced about it after a first read but then i let it stew a while. while i too find this to be a well thought out theory and agree with the possibility of many points to it (i.e. using plastic bags being a cowardly way to murder, the possibility about the pants)... there are a couple things in your theory that just don't add up for me.
i can't think of a reason that duct tape would be brought to the scene if it was indeed intended to just be a robbery. i can see how bags would be brought to carry away anything intended to take with them but duct tape just doesn't jive with a robbery. (unless we have been misinformed about the fact that these items were indeed brought to the scene rather than found there).
the other thing that doesn't make sense is that if this was intended to be robbery alone... i can't see them leaving with only a few dollars and a pocket full of change. your theory was that they may have panicked and not taken much but it sure seems like they stuck around for a decent amount of time if they were ransacking, punching holes in walls, taking the time to secure the victims, etc.
i agree that this was definitely a partial robbery (i, however, haven't decided whether it was secondary to the murder or not)... it seems they were looking for SOMETHING SPECIFIC (the rumored safe???). like i said earlier... this is going off the information we've heard from the media/family. could they be throwing out false information for some reason??? i don't know if that is a tactic that LE uses or for what reason they would.

[HeartBreaker]

ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

that's how i was reading it as well, KFRAN

[onefortheroad]

I have heard of people say shoot a game of pool when asking a dealer for an eightball of cocaine

I'm sure that pool is code for drugs, and wish to hell I could remember where I read it! Does it only mean cocaine though? Could it also mean heroin?

Just looked it up on the drug slang dictionary and an eightball can refer to coke, crack, and heroin.

Thanks, KarmaK. It's probably irrelevant which drug it was, but GF referred to TW as a heroin dealer and I was looking for a link to what she said about shooting pool that night. I think it's a possibility that if JC was planning a buy that night from TW, he may have phoned her & ZB when he and Lisa got home to tell them to come by. She could have called him back to make arrangements, which would match cellphone records, and she later concocted a white bread story around it.

[EastCoastKat]

Right. And she knew JC because her friend Sarita's BF was friends with JC.

Ok, so she was friends w/JC first, but were they "friends" or did they just know one another? Friends shop together, go to the bar together, and have lunch together, etc. None of her pics on FB have JC or LS in them. This girl obviously likes to party and if she was "friends" with them, you would think they would be in at least one of the very many pics she has posted. I'm thinking they were not so much of friends as she would like people to believe. Why is this important? Because she doesn't know LS or the Straubs well enough to feel guilty for the set up or robbery.

I agree. If you check back, on this thread, there was someone here that claimed to know them and knew how they knew each other, and they alleged that TW did in fact deal drugs (hard core ones like heroin) and her friend the minor,ZB, was in withdrawal that very day, he was looking all over the place for percocets (and that info allegedly was from ZB's own mother's mouth). I might add that what this person on the board claimed, well, some of it was verified by TW herself, how they knew each other, how they hung out, and that they were there the night before (TW and the minor) a lot.... Go back and read those posts.

[Lady Cop]

I don't know how in the hell you guys keep all of these initials and FB pages & friends straight.

Thanks!! I really needed someone else to feel the same way. It makes me feel old! :wheelchair::wheelchair:

you don't have to use initials for people whose names are public information! i've been wondering why everyone has been! that would be another forum out there.
people NOT named in mainstream media, principals to case, or minors, yes we are leaving their names out. the major players, yes, use their names. it's coy to do otherwise.

:B i may repeat this a couple times today.

[Adub]

ahhh....so what's with using all the 3's in some writing? I think TW's death space page was like this.

I found it interesting too that DC and his friends are wearing blue in each of their photos yet in many of TWs FB posts she says things like "wat up blood?" I don't know anything about this stuff, so it may be nothing, but TW also had a video posted at one time on DS that was called Blood Walk or something to that effect.

Bloods use 3 instead of c(rips). C is the 3^rd letter of the alphabet. Hence the 3.

I thought the "3" was in place of "E." It appears that way in all of TW posts.

I'm just saying bloods don't use the letter c. Instead they use a 3. Just like crips don't use the letter b. Anything I know comes from gang education classes given by a Gang Task Force. I had to do the training for my job. Where I live the gangs are more defined. Toledo is all mixed up it seems. More tolerant of others maybe? Who knows.

If this is related to gangs then I would look to Johnny's neighborhood before he went to prison. Who was he hanging with then versus after he got out.

Gangs and drugs go together for sure. Such as selling them. And if you are not living the gang lifestyle and you're involved in selling drugs you can get in deep shit. Especially if you take business away for known drug dealing gangsters. The scales in the kitchen say something, imo. And the baggies. And it don't say Percocet.

So Johnny had just recently started hanging out with his childhood friends again. When was the Pro Bowl?

[rotten_cotton]

I don't know how in the hell you guys keep all of these initials and FB pages & friends straight.

Thanks!! I really needed someone else to feel the same way. It makes me feel old! :wheelchair::wheelchair:

you don't have to use initials for people whose names are public information! i've been wondering why everyone has been! that would be another forum out there.
people NOT named in mainstream media, principals to case, or minors, yes we are leaving their names out. the major players, yes, use their names. it's coy to do otherwise.

:B i may repeat this a couple times today.

I use initials because it is easier to type

[Duchess]

When was the Pro Bowl?

January 30

[truth be told]

Am I the only that finds it very strange that a couple is murdered inside of the girlfriends parents home....and out of 6-billion people in the world, the people who actually find them dead just happens to be the boyfriend's parents...hmm. I find it hard to believe that they are so much smarter than trained officers. And as far as Maytee having special powers...please! She is as about clairvoyant as Oprah Winfrey is a Lounge singer.
Another thing: why did the parents convienently catch two separate rides over to the house instead of driving one of their vans. It is odd that Maytee had to call her cousin in the middle of the night to come and pick her up to drive her over to the house...instead of driving herself. And if you listen to the very first 9-11 call...Maytee is able to tell the operator the exact adress of the house, it is a four digit address. I'll bet that there aren't a lot of people who know the exact address of their own parents home...yet alone their son's girlfriends parents house. it is clear that Maytee knows more than what she is saying....I sure hope that investigators don't screw this up.

[Adub]

When was the Pro Bowl?

January 30

So that is where Johnny spent the last day of his life. Watching the ProBowl in his old neighborhood. Before he went to pick-up Lisa.

[browntabby1226]

I don't know how in the hell you guys keep all of these initials and FB pages & friends straight.

Thanks!! I really needed someone else to feel the same way. It makes me feel old! :wheelchair::wheelchair:

you don't have to use initials for people whose names are public information! i've been wondering why everyone has been! that would be another forum out there.
people NOT named in mainstream media, principals to case, or minors, yes we are leaving their names out. the major players, yes, use their names. it's coy to do otherwise.

:B i may repeat this a couple times today.

I use initials because it is easier to type

I do that also.