(05-07-2011, 02:17 AM)IMaDick Wrote: Given the level and depth of your arguments in favor of obama, this is exactly what I expected to find as a final response.
It's always like this when truth meets fantasy in reality.
You have not been able to justify one of your assertions when faced with the immense number and broad scope of the contradictions by the string master ,it must be completely overwhelming .
Obama was commander in chief for two and a half years leading up to the death of Bin Laden.
Obama got Bin Laden, Bush didn't give a fuck.
These are the facts no matter how you try and twist it fucknugget.
Punch the wall, seeth for a while then accept it once and for all.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
Defenders of the Bush administration’s interrogation policies have claimed vindication from reports that bin Laden was tracked down in small part due to information received from brutalized detainees some six to eight years ago.
But that sequence of events -- even if true -- doesn’t demonstrate the effectiveness of torture, these experts say. Rather, it indicates bin Laden could have been caught much earlier had those detainees been interrogated properly.
"I think that without a doubt, torture and enhanced interrogation techniques slowed down the hunt for bin Laden," said an Air Force interrogator who goes by the pseudonym Matthew Alexander and located Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, in 2006.
It now appears likely that several detainees had information about a key al Qaeda courier -- information that might have led authorities directly to bin Laden years ago. But subjected to physical and psychological brutality, "they gave us the bare minimum amount of information they could get away with to get the pain to stop, or to mislead us."
Defenders of the Bush administration’s interrogation policies have claimed vindication from reports that bin Laden was tracked down in small part due to information received from brutalized detainees some six to eight years ago.
But that sequence of events -- even if true -- doesn’t demonstrate the effectiveness of torture, these experts say. Rather, it indicates bin Laden could have been caught much earlier had those detainees been interrogated properly.
"I think that without a doubt, torture and enhanced interrogation techniques slowed down the hunt for bin Laden," said an Air Force interrogator who goes by the pseudonym Matthew Alexander and located Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, in 2006.
It now appears likely that several detainees had information about a key al Qaeda courier -- information that might have led authorities directly to bin Laden years ago. But subjected to physical and psychological brutality, "they gave us the bare minimum amount of information they could get away with to get the pain to stop, or to mislead us."
Yep, They probably would have got Bin Laden sooner if they HADN'T used "enhanced interrogation" otherwise known as torture. Information gleaned through torture is as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. Anyone with a brain can see this.
That explains why dick can't see it.
No doubt he will be along directly to disagree with the testimony of a trained airforce interrogator.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
(05-07-2011, 07:44 AM)Ordinary Peephole Wrote: Yep, They probably would have got Bin Laden sooner if they HADN'T used "enhanced interrogation" otherwise known as torture. Information gleaned through torture is as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. Anyone with a brain can see this.
That explains why dick can't see it.
No doubt he will be along directly to disagree with the testimony of a trained airforce interrogator.
I call 'bullshit' here OP. Believe what you want. I don't know why this EX Air Force member would be spewing his nonsense, but, that's what it is. Is some of the info gathered untrue, misleading, etc.? Sure, but there's also VERY pertinent info gleaned as well.
(05-07-2011, 11:12 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I call 'bullshit' here OP. Believe what you want. I don't know why this EX Air Force member would be spewing his nonsense, but, that's what it is. Is some of the info gathered untrue, misleading, etc.? Sure, but there's also VERY pertinent info gleaned as well.
I have the testimony of an ex airforce interrogator to back up my theory that torture doesn't work.
What do you have to back up your theory that it does?
Or are you just spouting drivel again?
Anyone that supports the use of torture is equally as bad as the ragheads that support suicide bombers.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
Obama would have been a fool not to use the information gathered from enhanced interrogation techniques as per username, does his use of that info constitute approval?
Does that make him as bad as a suicide bomber?
Let OP be the judge, he seems to have it all figured out.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
OP, first of all, they arent sticking bamboo shoots up fingernails, nor are they using thumbscrews, or any other type of device that would cause physical pain in order to extract info. It's waterboarding...and yes, while I'm sure it's very uncomfortable, and most likely downright scary...at no time is someones life in danger, or bodily harm employed.
By all accounts, this technique was employed on 3 people...and info gotten from one of them (KMS), ultimately led to the death of the person behind the events of 9-11, which cost many Americans their lives...both directly, and indirectly.
Dennis Miller said it best right here, around the 4:15 mark
(05-07-2011, 02:17 AM)IMaDick Wrote: You have not been able to justify one of your assertions when faced with the immense number and broad scope of the contradictions by the string master ,it must be completely overwhelming .
Tiresome, not overwhelming. OP has the patience of a saint--he'll wipe the floor with you over and over and over again. I get tired of hearing and responding to your pigheaded, ridiculous statements.
Why is one person ridiculous and another a saint? I hate to tell you, nobody is "right." We all have our own POV.
So sorry we all don't drink from the same cup of koolaid. To think that we would is completely asinine. Nobody has the exact same life experience, even if you were raised in the same home. As a result, they see the world in different ways. That everyone in the world should be exactly like you, or they are somehow "wrong" is fucking crazy and egocentric.
I love variety. I would get bored in a small world where everyone is exactly like me. I have a level of decency in mind in order to deal with folks, a line I hold to, but otherwise people can think whatever the fuck they want.
Liberals are effen thought Nazis. (Godwin invoked. hahahahhaha)
(03-15-2013, 07:12 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You see Duchess, I have set up a thread to discuss something and this troll is behaving just like Riotgear did.
(05-07-2011, 02:17 AM)IMaDick Wrote: You have not been able to justify one of your assertions when faced with the immense number and broad scope of the contradictions by the string master ,it must be completely overwhelming .
Tiresome, not overwhelming. OP has the patience of a saint--he'll wipe the floor with you over and over and over again. I get tired of hearing and responding to your pigheaded, ridiculous statements.
Ya OP is a genius.
Quote: I get tired of hearing and responding to your pigheaded, ridiculous statements.
why did you respond then?
I know the answer do you?
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
(05-07-2011, 12:01 PM)thekid65 Wrote: OP, first of all, they arent sticking bamboo shoots up fingernails, nor are they using thumbscrews, or any other type of device that would cause physical pain in order to extract info. It's waterboarding...and yes, while I'm sure it's very uncomfortable, and most likely downright scary...at no time is someones life in danger, or bodily harm employed.
By all accounts, this technique was employed on 3 people...and info gotten from one of them (KMS), ultimately led to the death of the person behind the events of 9-11, which cost many Americans their lives...both directly, and indirectly.
Dennis Miller said it best right here, around the 4:15 mark
(05-07-2011, 12:10 PM)username Wrote: Tiresome, not overwhelming. OP has the patience of a saint--he'll wipe the floor with you over and over and over again. I get tired of hearing and responding to your pigheaded, ridiculous statements.
Proving dick and his stable of nitwits wrong and making them look stupid is like shooting fish in a barrel with a bazooka.
Soooooooooo easy.
I can imagine dick as the queen from Alice in Wonderland, just change the word impossible to retarded.
Alice - There's no use trying, one can't believe retarded things.
Queen/dick - I dare say you haven't had much practice, when I was your age I always did it for half an hour a day. Why sometimes I believed as many as six retarded things before breakfast!".
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
LMFAO...Ventura...a pro wrestler..based on acting and entertainment. Nuff said.
Miller used to be a staunch left wing dude...but has since come over to the "right" side. As he clearly saw the error of their ways.
And yeah.. the definition of torture...remember the old "Chinese water torture" thing?? Steady drip, drip, drip..on the forehead....yeah, that's some serious shit right there. OMG...teh horrorz....
Bottom line, to which you cannot argue...this method of extracting info produced no physical harm, nor long term effects on the subjects...and as a result, a very bad person is now dead.
Of the millions of sperm injected into your mother's pussy, you were the quickest?
You are no longer in the womb, friend. The competition is tougher out here.
(05-07-2011, 12:39 PM)thekid65 Wrote: LMFAO...Ventura...a pro wrestler..based on acting and entertainment. Nuff said.
Miller used to be a staunch left wing dude...but has since come over to the "right" side. As he clearly saw the error of their ways.
And yeah.. the definition of torture...remember the old "Chinese water torture" thing?? Steady drip, drip, drip..on the forehead....yeah, that's some serious shit right there. OMG...teh horrorz....
Bottom line, to which you cannot argue...this method of extracting info produced no physical harm, nor long term effects on the subjects...and as a result, a very bad person is now dead.
Yes, you know more about waterboarding than an ex-Navy Seal who was waterboarded during his training!
Bottom line, waterboarding IS torture, I know it, you know it, even dick knows it.
Ever heard of psychological torture "uneducated" kid?
Gee OP, I don't know how anyone could ever have a different opinion than yours, this world would be a much better place if everyone thought like you.
You're the greatest, your life expericance exceeds everyone elses, your insight into world events is so keen and clear, your solutions to the plague of terrorism and finding info to stop them is much better than anything anyone else has ever come up with.
Duchess you can close the forum now, it's purpose has been fulfilled and OP has reached the end of the internet, solved all of the problems in the world, has tamed the terrorists, and seduced username.
there is nothing left to do.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
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