rodeo clowns.

[sally]

Yeah, I'm sure the animals just love being injured, forced into situations that aren't natural to them, chased, frightened, roped and pinned to the ground for human entertainment. It's the best.

[Duchess]

Educate yourself & then get back to me. Thanks!

[Cynical Ninja]

Rodeos are as American as apple pie. They are in no way comparable to bull fighting. We've got laws here, ya know and those dreadful do-gooders would be all over rodeos if there were anything abusive about them.

Bullfighting is as Spanish as afternoon siesta and I have already said rodeos were nowhere near as cruel as bullfighting. Would you let shit kicking cowboys rodeo ride your horses?, making them kick, jump and buck like they were having an epileptic fit?

Do you think rodeo animals enjoy themselves? Yes or no?

[sally]

Educate myself on what, the thousands of videos and articles on the net of animals being abused and injured during rodeos?

[Cynical Ninja]

Educate yourself & then get back to me. Thanks!

That's a complete cop out and quite frankly its the kind of feeble response I would expect from someone like ramsey not you.

[Duchess]

Do you think rodeo animals enjoy themselves? Yes or no?

I get this question about racing too - yes, most of these horses DO enjoy themselves, they are doing what they are bred to do. Rodeo is more than bucking broncos. It takes skill and like with anything else that involves animals there will always be an asshole in the bunch who doesn't play fairly or is just fucked in the head.

You & Sally both are humanizing the animal. Stop thinking that they think & feel like you do. That's my biggest bitch about do-gooders. You know I'm an animal lover, I would never sanction something like this if it were all about abuse.

[Duchess]

Educate myself on what, the thousands of videos and articles on the net of animals being abused and injured during rodeos?

So that's all you've seen in regards to the rodeo?

[Duchess]

That's a complete cop out and quite frankly its the kind of feeble response I would expect from someone like ramsey not you.

It is not a cop-out. Don't try to argue something with me about something I know more about than you do. Go read about it, spend some time getting familiar with it and then get back to me...and don't focus on the bullshit that's in all caps for fuckssake, get to the truth.

[Duchess]

...and make sure you read about the professional circuit, not the bs country fair crap, which is where most, if not all of the horror stories you have heard about come from.

[Cynical Ninja]

I get this question about racing too - yes, most of these horses DO enjoy themselves, they are doing what they are bred to do. Rodeo is more than bucking broncos. It takes skill and like with anything else that involves animals there will always be an asshole in the bunch who doesn't play fairly or is just fucked in the head.

You & Sally both are humanizing the animal. Stop thinking that they think & feel like you do. That's my biggest bitch about do-gooders. You know I'm an animal lover, I would never sanction something like this if it were all about abuse.[/i][/size]

Yes I know animals don't have the same feelings as humans we do have some feelings in common with animals though. Fear, distress, panic, frustration, rage all feelings we share with animals all feelings displayed by horses and bulls in rodeos.

Are you seriously trying to suggest an animal being ridden in a rodeo is “enjoying” itself? Seriously? Is that why they buck and jolt and jump like they are constantly being jabbed with a cattle prod? Why do the animals in question react to being ridden like they do? The only answer to that question is because they don't want to be ridden, that is the only explanation why they react as violently as they do.

As for skill? Maybe, the only skill I can see is hanging on for dear life for about 3 seconds yeah very skillfull. If you want to prove you have the best grip in cowboy town try a mechanical bull instead of a real one.

[sally]

Educate myself on what, the thousands of videos and articles on the net of animals being abused and injured during rodeos?

So that's all you've seen in regards to the rodeo?

Yes, why would I need to see anymore when it's a fact that the animals are often injured or killed during rodeos. And I don't believe for a second that just because they're animals that they don't mind having electric prods stuck up their ass or the use of other devices to get them to react violently for the crowd.

Nevermid PETA, but the Humane Society of The United States and Canada are opposed to it and also the ASPCA.

[Cynical Ninja]

So they do actually use electric prods to get the animals riled up for the crowd? Yeah I'm sure dobbin and Mr bull can't get enough of having their balls and ass tazered.

[Cynical Ninja]

So Duch, when can the shit kicking cowboys from Texas come up to your ranch and tazer your horses balls and ride them around shouting “yeehaw motherfuckers!”?

My guess would be never you hypocrite.

Lol.

[Duchess]

Neither one of you are seeing what I've said. Not one thing either of you have mentioned happens on the professional circuit, if anyone was caught doing any of the things you both have referenced they would be finished, never to have a career in that again. There are very strict guidelines that must be adhered to and the animals health & welfare is put first. You're getting your information from the wrong sources. I would never defend anything that hurts an animal. It's enough for me to know that I'm right & you are wrong.

[Cynical Ninja]

It's enough for me to know that I'm right & you are wrong.

Lol.

I used to be in the debating society in high school and if you had come out with a statement like that during a debate you would have been told to go and stand in the corner and repent.

Here's some questions, as you know you are right perhaps you could try answering them?

In the professional circuit what methods do they use to rile the animals into a state of violent frenzy?

Is anything being done about all the local fairs where they do indeed tazer the animals ass and balls? If not why not?

In what way do animals being ridden in a rodeo enjoy themselves?

And finally for the third attempt at the same question, would you let your horses be ridden in a rodeo? Aye or neigh (sic)?

I eagerly await your response.

[sally]

Even rodeos with strict guidelines still have injuries and people who violate the rules. I also believe the animals are caused some amount of stress and grief no matter what you say. Even if it's a small percentage, it's not worth it to me so a bunch of rednecks can sit around and yell yee haw.

And what about all the videos I just watched where they're roped and slammed to the ground or their necks and legs are snapped? Which rodeos did that happen at?

[Duchess]

In the professional circuit what methods do they use to rile the animals into a state of violent frenzy? You're talking about bucking broncos, right? They are bucking & kicking because they are not used to having a rider on their back, in a sense they are wild. We get the same affect when we break horses at home.

Is anything being done about all the local fairs where they do indeed tazer the animals ass and balls? If not why not? I don't know anyone who would compete at local fair level because the majority of people who enter them are what we call weekend cowboys, they haven't a clue and chances are the rider is hurt before the horse is. It would be dangerous. There are supposed to be vets & other animal welfare people making sure guidelines are met. I don't know if that happens or not. I've never been to a fly by night rodeo, they are the ghetto of the horse world.

In what way do animals being ridden in a rodeo enjoy themselves? No one has the ability to know what an animal thinks but suffice to say when they are pawing the ground & flagging their tail it would indicate they are ready and willing to go. When you spend time around an animal you become attuned to their personality.

And finally for the third attempt at the same question, would you let your horses be ridden in a rodeo? Aye or neigh (sic)? Nay, my horses are retired racehorses not rodeo broncos. Duh.

[Duchess]

Just so you people know - not all horses are the same, there are a shit ton of different breeds, all bred for something different. The horse you see racing in the Breeders Crown is not the same kind of horse that would be used for rodeos.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Oprah was going to do an episode of 'Undercover Boss' and give a free bull to everyone in the audience. Here she is in white-face. Just another reverse-racist behavior she would have pulled from her quiver.

[username]

A common complaint about the sport is that pain is used to induce bulls to buck. Critics say the flank strap squeezes the bull’s genitals, causing the animal to thrash and jump. However, most bulls stop bucking once the rider is no longer on the animal’s back. It’s been said that if a flank strap could make a better bucking bull, then stock contractors wouldn’t bother investing thousands of dollars in breeding programs.

Bucking is a behavior bulls express naturally, Dr. Willis explained, and can be hindered, not enhanced, when the animal is in a painful state. “Bulls will run around in the pasture and buck, just playing around. They don’t buck as well when they’re in pain, so everything is done to prevent that,” she said.

The use of electric prods or “hot shots” to provoke a reluctant bull from a chute is banned at events sanctioned by the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association and Professional Bull Riders. The prohibition is one of several policies both organizations have instituted to ensure the humane treatment of animals competing at their events. Both the PRCA and PBR require a veterinarian to be on-site during an event. Animals are inspected prior to competition and are sidelined if they show signs of injury or sickness.

In 2008, the PBR began testing the top bull or bulls at various events for anabolic steroids and other banned substances. The PRCA expects to institute a banned drugs and medications policy in the near future.

Less than half of all rodeos or bull-riding events in the United States are governed by PRCA or PBR rules, and Dr. Rollin says abuses are more likely to occur at amateur-level competitions. “I’m sure hot-shotting still occurs at smaller events,” said Dr. Rollin, who’s spoken to thousands of cowboys, stock contractors, and rodeo groups about livestock welfare issues. “There’s really very little regulation at these smaller events, which don’t always require veterinarians to be on-site.

https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/120801a.aspx

The professional circuit doesn't sound so bad but I definitely think the animals are abused at the amateur level.

Calf roping is another lovely "sport". *sarcasm*