TAMIR RICE, 12 -- KILLED BY CLEVELAND POLICE
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TAMIR RICE, 12 -- KILLED BY CLEVELAND POLICE
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12-07-2015, 06:19 AM
I just read a report that contradicts some of the things we've been told by the police. A shooting reconstruction expert states that Tamir was shot and killed in less than one second of the police pulling upon him, he says there was no time for any meaningful exchange between Tamir & police and that Tamir was killed with his hands in his pockets. Story ![[Image: Zy3rKpW.png]](https://i.imgur.com/Zy3rKpW.png)
12-07-2015, 09:28 AM
The expert should actually look at the video up in post #8, the kids hands are not in his pockets, they are in front of his body and he has the gun in his right hand. I agree that there was no time for a meaningful exchange between the cop and the kid. The difference between 1 second and 1.7 seconds is ridiculous and cannot possibly make any difference.
This thing ran off the rails when the dispatcher left out the part about the gun possibly being fake, then the cop rolled right up on top of the kid way too close and put his partner in immediate peril if the suspect did in fact have a real gun. The cop that actually shot was the passenger side guy right? When he got out of the car he was already in the strike zone. Firing would have been a very tough call, because the kid gun in hand was what looks like 6 or 8 feet away right on top of him. Then all the lieing and covering up bullshit started and they Really fucked up. IMO, the driver is most at fault, he put his partner in danger, he should have stopped well before he was right on top of the kid. 
12-28-2015, 04:59 PM
The Grand Jury did not indict officer Loehmann or Garmback.
Prosecutor McGinty, who many accuse of stacking the deck in the officers' favor, announced today that while what happened was undoubtedly "a perfect storm of human error", the jurors found no criminal conduct on the part of the officers. The only job of the jurors was to determine if Loehmann was reasonably in fear for his life, rightly or wrongly, when he pulled the trigger. Their job was not to address the improper approach, the false narrative told by police reps after the shooting, Cleveland PD's failure to check Loehmann's record, etc... The announcement didn't indicate whether the Cleveland PD has taken disciplinary action against or fired the officers. I hope so. Their poor judgments and skills put them in the position where they were afraid of being killed by what turned out to be 12-year-old with a pellet gun within two seconds of arrival. The 911 dispatcher who didn't convey all of the info to the officers resigned many months ago. I think the Rice family's civil suit against the officers and the City of Cleveland will be a slam dunk given the wrongful approach, the unlikelihood that Tamir heard any commands from the rolling patrol car if any were given, and the lies told by the police reps immediately after the killing. All of those factors can likely be considered in the non-criminal case. Tamir's family will probably be another one that gets millions of dollars. I wish major police forces would invest even half as much in training and body cams as they do in paying for wrongful deaths and brutality. Story: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/us/tam....html?_r=0 
12-31-2015, 12:19 PM
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
12-31-2015, 01:19 PM
Yeah, we've known Tamir Rice was guilty of being a very big kid since just after he was killed, Maggot.
Most of us understand that he could be mistaken for an adult easily from a distance and that the pellet gun could be easily mistaken for a real one. Too bad the 911 dispatcher failed to pass those possibilities onto the responding officers. Anyway, Ohio is open carry. Even if they assumed Tamir was an adult, the officers were not responding to an "active shooter" or "shots fired" call. There were no people near Tamir or endangered by him when cops arrived at the gazebo (as the officers falsely claimed before the video release). He was just sitting alone at a table and didn't run from police as the officers apparently miscalculated that he would. Still, the officers pulled right up on him ('slippery grass', they now claim) and shot him from a rolling patrol car in under 2 seconds, then left him unattended and bleeding to death in the grass. Big kid, medium sized man, large woman, white, black, brown.............the officers' approach and attempted cover-up would have been equally fucked-up to me, regardless of the deceased's physical description. I believe the officers' incompetence unnecessarily put them in a position where Officer Loehmann, who was an established choke-under-pressure guy, feared for his life and used deadly force, even though his life was never endangered. I hope Loehmann is terminated and Garmback at least faces severe disciplinary action. 
12-31-2015, 01:36 PM
(12-31-2015, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: I read that kid weighed 175 lbs and wore a size 12 shoe. This case, to me, is the easiest one to NOT blame the officers for what transpired. Unfortunate all the way around, but pretty easy to see that charges would not be coming.
12-31-2015, 02:50 PM
(12-31-2015, 01:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: This case, to me, is the easiest one to NOT blame the officers for what transpired. You must be joking. Not blame the officers? What the hell is wrong with you. They in NO way conducted themselves as officers of the law should conduct themselves. Their patrol car hadn't even come to a stop before shots were fired. They pulled right on top of that kid and never even gave him a moment to comply before he was shot. They then tackled his 14 yr. old sister and put her in handcuffs and threatened her with arrest. Fuck those cops and every single cop who is just like them and there are many. I hate that the world is full of people who think like you do.
12-31-2015, 02:55 PM
(12-31-2015, 01:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:Justice is done.(12-31-2015, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: I read that kid weighed 175 lbs and wore a size 12 shoe. 
12-31-2015, 02:56 PM
(12-31-2015, 01:19 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Yeah, we've known Tamir Rice was guilty of being a very big kid since just after he was killed, Maggot. Yeah, and unfortunately the officers also weren't informed that Tamir could have been an alien sent to earth to bring Tom Cruise back to the mothership. The possibility exists. It's up to dispatchers to inform highly trained personnel of every possibility. I personally call up soldiers in Iraq to tell them that it's possible every Muslim they meet might not be a terrorist, because I assume they don't know it themselves. I said from the start, from not "newly enhanced video footage" that it was a justifiable shoot. However, the officers still did plenty wrong, Mags. Bad tactical approach, and the lack of medical attention really is incredibly reprehensible the more I've thought about it. That article you linked was just as biased and ignorant of facts as the story they claim activists tell. Quote:Before shooting, the officer yelled repeatedly, "Show me your hands" as loud as he could. But the boy refused to comply, brandishing the gun instead.Brandishing is a rather libelously wrong word. He went for the gun... I would assume to throw it on the ground or show it was just a toy. I very much doubt he would have shot cops with it. Quote:Brandishing - wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
12-31-2015, 02:57 PM
For who? The cop who had already been deemed emotionally unstable & unfit for police work but was given a gun & a badge anyway?
12-31-2015, 03:51 PM
(12-31-2015, 02:56 PM)Cutz Wrote: Yeah, and unfortunately the officers also weren't informed that Tamir could have been an alien sent to earth to bring Tom Cruise back to the mothership. The possibility exists. It's up to dispatchers to inform highly trained personnel of every possibility. I personally call up soldiers in Iraq to tell them that it's possible every Muslim they meet might not be a terrorist, because I assume they don't know it themselves. Pfft. The 911 caller made a point of telling the dispatcher of a distinct and specific possibility in regard to the subject; the subject who he witnessed first hand. Relevant information, Cutz. Your attempts to equate the 911 dispatch's failure to communicate relevant first-hand information to the responding officers to irrelevant alien and terrorist possibilities falls flat. I agree with the logical parts of your post though, smartass.
12-31-2015, 03:55 PM
(12-31-2015, 02:50 PM)Duchess Wrote:(12-31-2015, 01:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: This case, to me, is the easiest one to NOT blame the officers for what transpired. People like me love: Cops that shoot first, ask questions later AND pretty women with large breasts. In no particular order.
12-31-2015, 04:15 PM
12-31-2015, 04:19 PM
One time, I saw a guy forget his bag at the airport. I picked it up and walked it over to him, and he said, "OMG, I can't believe I left that! Thank you so much." He then took his bag and boarded his flight. Boring right? I wasn't sure he forgot it, he could have left it there on purpose as a bomb. But I didn't call 911 and report a bomb left in the terminal, because I know that if I do call that in, they will treat it as a bomb. Me saying 10 times on the phone that I think it's not a bomb, but it might be a bomb, will not make airport security and LE treat it any less as a bomb. Jimbob is not going to come pick it up, shake it, and say, "It okay everyone, it ain't tickin, it ain't no bomb! I knew it weren't be no bomb cause the call guy said he thought somebody just left it."
Because the moral of the story is that some guy called the cops because he was afraid for people at the park. If he was positive it was a kid with a toy, he doesn't make the call. He thought it was a dude with a gun. As far as the response goes, it's usually safer to treat a possible threat as a threat. The driver put them in a bad position and Tamir put himself in danger, twice. All of that has nothing to do with racially motivated murdering cops as some would tell the story.
12-31-2015, 04:30 PM
(12-31-2015, 04:15 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I hope you have a very nice New Year's celebration tonight. Thank you, honey. I hope you have a year filled with pretty boobs in your face.  Now, back to Tamir before Hot D kicks my ass.
12-31-2015, 04:43 PM
(12-31-2015, 02:50 PM)Duchess Wrote:(12-31-2015, 01:36 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: This case, to me, is the easiest one to NOT blame the officers for what transpired. Even Prosecutor McGinty acknowledges that the officers bear blame for Tamir's death. He admits that there were mistakes made by all involved, including the communications to the responding officers. There was no way to deny that given video of the approach, the shooting and it's aftermath, and audio of the 911 call. After 13 months of investigation and hiring multiple experts, McGinty however got a ruling that those mistakes do not constitute criminal conduct and called it 'a perfect storm of human error' that led to the tragic killing of Tamir Rice. When he announced 'no indictment', McGinty stated that it was unclear if Tamir was reaching for the pellet gun to toss it down or to instead show the officers that it wasn't real. He didn't insist that Tamir failed to follow orders; he couldn't. Officer Garmback indicated in his initial statement that the windows were up, whereas Loehmann contended that he somehow yelled at Tamir three times to put his hands up from a rolled down window of the moving vehicle (in under two seconds).
12-31-2015, 04:58 PM
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