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McInnes is more 'inclusive' than 'alt-right groups', you see. He says he welcomes men of all races of to join his 'club', so long as they're willing to undergo his established initiation ritual:
1. Pledge an oath of loyalty to the Proud Boys and their "proud western chauvinists" principles, and then allow themselves to be beaten by other members while reciting the names of four breakfast cereals.
2. Be literally branded as a Proud Boy via getting a 'Proud Boy' tattoo.
3. Adhere to the 'no fap' rules and refrain from masturbation (except for one day a month or in front of a woman, if they want) and instead get out of the house and pursue women for sex.
4. Engage in acts of violence for the cause (McInnes explained to Joe Rogan that violence is just fun).
If most conservatives on the right feel that the Proud Boys represent their values, I'm not seeing that being acknowledged publicly. So, I'll continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I'm open-minded to the argument that right-wing conservatives are headed in that direction.
After all, it is true that that McInnes had been a frequent guest on FOX, and he was recently invited to be the guest speaker at a Republican party event in NYC two weeks ago (followed by a Proud Boys' assault), and the Proud Boys did their thing against Pelosi at a Miami event in coordination with a Republican party leader just last week.
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(10-23-2018, 09:56 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: (10-23-2018, 05:14 AM)Duchess Wrote: They ARE far right. What do you call them?
One could accurately call them 'batshit extremists' of the right wing, I guess. But, the broader 'far right' umbrella label is accurate as well, as the Proud Boys are described in the article I linked.
Their leader, McInnes, has worked to disassociate the Proud Boys from the "alt-right" label they used to brandish after the Heather Heyer murder at the 2017 Unite the Right rally and the subsequent conviction of Proud Boy Alex Ramos for the brutal assault of DeAndre Harris at the same rally.
That 2017 rally was organized by white supremacist leader Richard Spencer, from whom McInnes has since distanced himself. McInnes says his Proud Boys are not 'alt-right' and now brands them as 'alt-lite'.
McInnes explained that he and his Proud Boys don't share Spencer's racism. And, the Proud Boys did not attend the 2018 Unite the Right rally organized by former Proud Boy Jason Kessler, who McInnes says he kicked out when Kessler's racist agenda became clear.
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The broader term is not at all accurate and they are not FAR right. It is dishonest every time you say so even disclaimed with concessions.
McInnes is mostly a good laugh and has been around for a very long time.
The Proud Boys are certainly extreme and are the natural counter to the combative Leftists like Antifa and came about to combat them when they went to rallies and singled out Conservatives and beat shit out of them.
I don't like it and his fraternity/cult like club sounds retarded to me but I can see where and how it came about.
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(10-23-2018, 09:57 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: McInnes is more 'inclusive' than 'alt-right groups', you see. He says he welcomes men of all races of to join his 'club', so long as they're willing to undergo his established initiation ritual:
1. Pledge an oath of loyalty to the Proud Boys and their "proud western chauvinists" principles, and then allow themselves to be beaten by other members while reciting the names of four breakfast cereals.
2. Be literally branded as a Proud Boy via getting a 'Proud Boy' tattoo.
3. Adhere to the 'no fap' rules and refrain from masturbation (except for one day a month or in front of a woman, if they want) and instead get out of the house and pursue women for sex.
4. Engage in acts of violence for the cause (McInnes explained to Joe Rogan that violence is just fun).
If most conservatives on the right feel that the Proud Boys represent their values, I'm not seeing that being acknowledged publicly. So, I'll continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I'm open-minded to the argument that right-wing conservatives are headed in that direction.
After all, it is true that that McInnes had been a frequent guest on FOX, and he was recently invited to be the guest speaker at a Republican party event in NYC two weeks ago (followed by a Proud Boys' assault), and the Proud Boys did their thing against Pelosi at a Miami event in coordination with a Republican party leader just last week.
Which values?
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Sounds like the proud boys are a bunch of incels.
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Maybe they are? You are certainly retarded though
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(10-23-2018, 05:17 PM)Rootilda Wrote: Sounds like the proud boys are a bunch of incels.
Yeah, it does sound like some of them are.
McInnes is just one of a crop of far right provocateurs feeding on disgruntled vulnerable people who want to belong to something.
For the Proud Boys, engaging in violence is a requirement for membership. That's something conservatives and those on the right (as opposed to the far right extreme) claim to vehemently oppose.
Anyway, McInnes is looking to grow his fan base and following; he loves controversy and media attention. His main targets of ire have been revised over the years. Feminists are at the top of the list this time around. Feminism is a war against masculinity, according to his rhetoric.
The "toxic masculinity" and "toxic feminism" spiels are just garbage, in my opinion. Some people of both sexes, for a myriad of reasons.... are angry, and bitter, and compelled to disparage/pummel/blame others to make themselves feel better. Same as it ever was.
Unfortunately for the Proud Boys, when their 'gang' (as McInnes sometimes refers to them) fades out, they'll still be physically branded and some of them will have violent criminal records, in addition to their other shortcomings. That will really help them attract decent women alright.
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(10-23-2018, 09:12 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: (10-23-2018, 05:17 PM)Rootilda Wrote: Sounds like the proud boys are a bunch of incels.
Yeah, it does sound like some of them are.
McInnes is just one of a crop of far right provocateurs feeding on disgruntled vulnerable people who want to belong to something.
For the Proud Boys, engaging in violence is a requirement for membership. That's something conservatives and/or those on the right (as opposed to the far right extreme) claim to vehemently oppose.
Anyway, McInnes is looking to build himself a fan base and following; he loves media attention. His main targets of ire have been revised over the years. Feminists are the top of the list this time around. Feminism is a war against masculinity, according to his rhetoric.
The "toxic masculinity" and "toxic feminism" spiels are just garbage, in my opinion. Some people of both sexes, for a myriad of reasons.... are angry, and bitter, and compelled to disparage/pummel/blame others to make themselves feel good. Same as it ever was.
Unfortunately for the Proud Boys, when their 'gang' (as McInnes sometimes refers to them) fades away, they'll still be physically branded and some of them will have violent criminal records, in addition to their other shortcomings. That will really help them attract decent women alright.
I would include Antifa in that statement. They are both the same.
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They're not the same at all Mags. Antifa and the Proud Boys are very different animals in structure and philosophy. Opposite, actually.
Antifa does not have a designated leader, a media provocateur. And, to the best of my knowledge, they don't brand themselves and tie their identities to the gang/club/mob (whatever you want to call it).
However, Antifa members do engage in violence. That's the point of commonality between Antifa and the Proud Boys; the point which results in them violently facing off against each other.
Anyway, I've already stated clearly many times that I don't support or defend the use of violence by Antifa. That goes equally for the Proud Boys (and any other group which proactively engages in violence and positions it as "self defense of their principles").
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As everyone should be. Take the violence to the stadium.
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(10-23-2018, 09:12 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: (10-23-2018, 05:17 PM)Rootilda Wrote: Sounds like the proud boys are a bunch of incels.
Yeah, it does sound like some of them are.
McInnes is just one of a crop of far right provocateurs feeding on disgruntled vulnerable people who want to belong to something.
For the Proud Boys, engaging in violence is a requirement for membership. That's something conservatives and those on the right (as opposed to the far right extreme) claim to vehemently oppose.
Anyway, McInnes is looking to grow his fan base and following; he loves controversy and media attention. His main targets of ire have been revised over the years. Feminists are at the top of the list this time around. Feminism is a war against masculinity, according to his rhetoric.
The "toxic masculinity" and "toxic feminism" spiels are just garbage, in my opinion. Some people of both sexes, for a myriad of reasons.... are angry, and bitter, and compelled to disparage/pummel/blame others to make themselves feel better. Same as it ever was.
Unfortunately for the Proud Boys, when their 'gang' (as McInnes sometimes refers to them) fades out, they'll still be physically branded and some of them will have violent criminal records, in addition to their other shortcomings. That will really help them attract decent women alright.
Which of McInnes' views are FAR right? Not which of his views are Conservatives or Right Wing, which are FAR Right?
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Political Terrorism
Some extremist nutjob(s) is mailing pipe bombs to high-profile Democrats.
--A bomb was sent to George Soros's house early this week.
--Bombs were sent to the homes of the Clintons and Obamas today.
--A bomb was also sent to the CNN studio, addressed to former CIA Director John Brennan (who often appears on CNN panels).
Based on the crudeness of the devices and the delivery method, LE believes it's the work of the same individual(s).
Fortunately, all of the targets have advanced security details which intercepted the packages and no one has been killed or injured.
The Secret Service has launched a full scale investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live...ve-devices
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The U.S. Postal Service treats packages with no return address as "suspicious" and screens them.
Whoever is sending the pipe bombs was able to avoid that scrutiny by including a return address on the packages.
The (fake) return address belongs to Democratic congressperson and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
It's not clear yet whether the bombs could have detonated, or if they were instead sent to intimidate the political targets.
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I'm sure trump inciting violence at all his klan rallies has nothing to do with this. 
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(10-24-2018, 11:48 AM)Duchess Wrote: I'm sure trump inciting violence at all his klan rallies has nothing to do with this.
It's sad and very disappointing.
White nationalists and far right extremists being booked as speakers at official Republican events.
The President -- who, as a candidate, encouraged his supporters to punch protesters in the face and offered to pay assailants' legal bills -- now praising an elected Republican official for assaulting a journalist. That's terribly irresponsible on its own; it's even more asinine to celebrate such violence whilst the politically-motivated murder of a journalist is being covered-up by a U.S. ally.
Anyway, hopefully, Law Enforcement will be able to identify and apprehend the bomb-sender quickly.
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Me thinks you folks are jumping the gun on "who" sent these things.
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No, I think you're jumping the gun here Mags. Read back. Neither Duchess nor I suggested a 'who' or a profile of 'who'.
What Duchess and I pointed out is that political violence and intimidation has actually been encouraged and celebrated several times by President Trump, and violent extremist group leaders have been embraced by some in the Republican party. Those are facts.
Regardless of 'who' is responsible for the pipe bomb mailings, it's logical to suspect that the current top-down attitude towards violence and intimidation contributes to acts of political violence and intimidation.
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Well, given the way trump gets his supporters all jacked up it should come as no surprise that anyone would think the worst.
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(10-24-2018, 12:31 PM)Duchess Wrote: Well, given the way trump gets his supporters all jacked up it should come as no surprise that anyone would think the worst.
Yeah, it's logical to suspect that whomever sent the bombs to high-profile Democrats (the same Democrats who are often the subjects of conspiracy theories and public derision by Trump) was motivated by President Trump's vitriol.
I won't be surprised a bit if that suspicion turns out to be accurate. But, I'm not assuming anything yet. Lots of crazies out there.
And, I fully expect the no-matter-what Trump loyalists to already be floating a conspiracy theory suggesting that the Democratic Party itself is responsible for the bomb threats. That's their M.O.
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