TRUMP TWEETS

[HairOfTheDog]

Sure. Ex is a nutcase. This is why my daughter lives with me and has no contact with her Mother.
Last time i had any contact with her was me taking her to court for the bazillionth time because my daughter had a school excursion to China and she would not sign the passport application and she told the judge AND had her friend sign an affidavit saying i was going to ascond with my daughter to North Korea.

After a very quick verification from me that i, not only had no connection or prospects in North Korea, but that North Korea was one of the last places i would take my daughter, my ex went on another rant. The judge patiently and quietly informed her that he understood WHAT she was saying but that it just bore no relation to reality.
That was 3 years ago. I have been really worried for years that my ex would flex her Mother's privileges to fuck things up for my little girl before my girl turned 18 and the parental authorities by law would disappear. My girl turned 18 this year. She is safe.

But go ahead Duchess tell me your presumption. See if it comes close to reality.

Duchess you never did answer, this.

Also interested whether your general understanding is that wives, husbands, ex-husbands, ex-wives, parents, siblings and children are fair game? I am guessing you are saying so and leveling the playing field, i understand many here have kids, partners and such. I guess floodgates open? All good with me if this is so.

Duchess's comment did not pertain to your ex-spouse, your child, or anyone other than you.....you flaming drama king.  

We can all read and comprehend -- it's quite clear that you used her mock of your female-repellent personality as an opportunity to bring your child into it and rag on your ex.  You brought your family into it, nobody else.  And, when she didn't respond, you brought it up again -- pitifully needy.

So, if you choose to sink even lower than your normal standards and treat members' families as 'fair game', it won't be a case of righteous retaliation, as you're obviously and inanely trying to position it.  

It will just be another weak attempt to rationalize and emit your petty vindictiveness.  

[Fry Guy]

Actual no.

Duchess chose to make some completely unfounded presumptions about my relationship with the Mother of my children. I would have thought our relatives and how we feel about them and why, probably poor form, but it seems i am wrong and Duchess chose this.

I have injected facts and context into the void of presumption and speculation. I asked whether her presumptions based on fuck all actually are close to truth once she has facts. (I'm guessing it isn't)

But as to her choice to do so in the first place and whether she would choose to do so with others and so flippantly as she did with me, the answer is evidenced by her next response.

The textual sneer as she calls me Trump supporter.

I have a different political viewpoint and question Duchess'. Not just a different perception but unashamedly different.

So in her mind BECAUSE i am a Trump supporter i am NECESSARILY inferior. She has the morality and intellect on her side and i am therefore without either. What could one do against the stupid and immoral? The answer is, most anything and in fact most anything could be done or said with righteous indignation and as a way of defence. Things you would not think of doing or saying to others. Othering and dehumanising in your mind.

In YOUR case you may suggest someone is a rspe apologist and supporter of child sexual abuse and in Duchess' going after my personal relationship with the mother of my children.

Both come from the same ugly place. My asking whether other people's families are fair game points out this hypocrisy and double standard. Her Trump supporter sneer is key to her double standard.

I think it is a bad choice personally but whatever. People make bad choices for bad reasons all the time. If this is what she wants to support and promote on her forum, all good with me. Just pointing out where and why it started

[HairOfTheDog]

Actually, yes.  I believe my comment was right on the money and I stand by it.


So, back to Trump Tweets.

The Trumps' Twitter video Christmas message to the country.

[Rootilda]

He's slurring again. "Shitashins" instead of citizens.

[Duchess]

Actual no.

Duchess chose to make some completely unfounded presumptions about my relationship with the Mother of my children. I would have thought our relatives and how we feel about them and why, probably poor form, but it seems i am wrong and Duchess chose this.

I have injected facts and context into the void of presumption and speculation. I asked whether her presumptions based on fuck all actually are close to truth once she has facts. (I'm guessing it isn't)

But as to her choice to do so in the first place and whether she would choose to do so with others and so flippantly as she did with me, the answer is evidenced by her next response.

The textual sneer as she calls me Trump supporter.

I have a different political viewpoint and question Duchess'. Not just a different perception but unashamedly different.

So in her mind BECAUSE i am a Trump supporter i am NECESSARILY inferior. She has the morality and intellect on her side and i am therefore without either. What could one do against the stupid and immoral? The answer is, most anything and in fact most anything could be done or said with righteous indignation and as a way of defence. Things you would not think of doing or saying to others. Othering and dehumanising in your mind.

In YOUR case you may suggest someone is a rspe apologist and supporter of child sexual abuse and in Duchess' going after my personal relationship with the mother of my children.

Both come from the same ugly place. My asking whether other people's families are fair game points out this hypocrisy and double standard. Her Trump supporter sneer is key to her double standard.

I think it is a bad choice personally but whatever. People make bad choices for bad reasons all the time. If this is what she wants to support and promote on her forum, all good with me. Just pointing out where and why it started

     What the hell.  Buzzkill!

[Rootilda]

"So in her mind BECAUSE i am a Trump supporter i am NECESSARILY inferior."

She's not wrong.

[Clang McFly]

"So in her mind BECAUSE i am a Trump supporter i am NECESSARILY inferior."

She's not wrong.

Agreed.

[Fry Guy]

It is a great argument. People throughout the ages have used such righteous arguments before. "They believe X so are therefore inferior and more immoral than us. Because they believe what they believe they are lesser people than us and so therefore we can treat them with a standard we would not think to treat others".

In fact history books are full of this.

The truth is that I have a different perspective than some of you and you have a different perspective to me and that does not make me inferior or you superior, at least not on that point. Having said this if my family and relationship with them is fair game, then so are all of yours. You can pathologise my perspective all you like or play "hide the ball" and believe that this allows a different standard of treatment than others here but that is okay. Because again I believe otherwise.

I believe that what is done to me can be done to others and I think THIS position is righteous and moral. It does not upset me but it does open up this place to a form of mocking I would not have thought to rise to. I would have thought all of that was a mistake and best not inflicted on the forum but I will be damned if I am held to a different standard here.

I remember when there was a two tier standard here and Duchess should damn well remember that and why that was a bad thing. Why she may want that now is beyond me?

[BigMark]

For fucks sake shut the hell up you goddamn fruitloop.

[Clang McFly]

For fucks sake shut the hell up you goddamn fruitloop.

[Fry Guy]

For fucks sake shut the hell up you goddamn fruitloop.

No, I'm all good. Thanks for the suggestion

[MirahM]

Actual no.

Duchess chose to make some completely unfounded presumptions about my relationship with the Mother of my children. 

I am going to try to use your way of speaking to speak to you now.
Fry Guy isn't it true that Duchess never even said "Mother of your children?" Didn't she in fact say something different? Also didn't she not only say something different-but she never even mentioned the gender of your "relationship" past, present or future. 
Unless I missed a comment somewhere else, all I saw was Duchess saying if you were separated she would presume to know why. 
And then I saw you beat it to death for a couple of pages.

[MirahM]

I actually came here to show Trumps tweet about children dying at the border being the democrats fault and found this one also:

President and Mrs. Obama built/has a ten foot Wall around their D.C. mansion/compound. I agree, totally necessary for their safety and security. The U.S. needs the same thing, slightly larger version!

This is a fucking asshole thing to say:

Any deaths of children or others at the Border are strictly the fault of the Democrats and their pathetic immigration policies that allow people to make the long trek thinking they can enter our country illegally. They can’t. If we had a Wall, they wouldn’t even try! The two.....

children in question were very sick before they were given over to Border Patrol. The father of the young girl said it was not their fault, he hadn’t given her water in days. Border Patrol needs the Wall and it will all end. They are working so hard & getting so little credit!

[Rootilda]

Bet you a dollar TryTooHardGuy will defend it anyway.

[BigMark]

Walls are more secure than no walls, would you agree?

[MirahM]

No.
There are rules and programs set in place that can and need to be followed. Processes that can and will protect. My problem with the wall is that I believe it will be a false security. And it is only targetting one nation and one area anyway. How are we "secure" at our airports and other points of entry?
Security is false anyway.
No one, no place no where is really secure.

I don't support open borders either, that is not my point. There are so many things threatening the "safety" of the American people that to focus so much on one area as a solution is ridiculous to me.
Also I believe it harms the environment-and supposedly is plowing straight through butterfly sanctuaries and other places that will disrupt wildlife and migrating animals.

[MirahM]

Walls are more secure than no walls, would you agree?

It is also about personal safety.
As a woman I am no more secure with that wall than I am without it.
It will not change my activities. 
Will it change some people's activities who live on those southern borders?
Will they be safer?
Who is at most risk nowadays?
What are we at risk from?
And why?
And what is another solution?

[Fry Guy]

Actual no.

Duchess chose to make some completely unfounded presumptions about my relationship with the Mother of my children. 

I am going to try to use your way of speaking to speak to you now.
Fry Guy isn't it true that Duchess never even said "Mother of your children?" Didn't she in fact say something different? Also didn't she not only say something different-but she never even mentioned the gender of your "relationship" past, present or future. 
Unless I missed a comment somewhere else, all I saw was Duchess saying if you were separated she would presume to know why. 
And then I saw you beat it to death for a couple of pages.

Not at all.

Duchess said she would presume the reason. The actual reason is that my ex is a nutcase. I evidenced this with my last interaction with here. My daughter's last interaction involved 1 on 1 counselling and my daughter screaming at her. Cathartic closure for a child who until then lived in fear of her.

But now i have given my actual reason for being divorced, and reasoning for it.

Duchess can no doubt give her presumption and what actual facts she bases it on. I am sure it will be as amusing as Hell.

Yes relationship statuses, our personal relationships with partners, ex partners and family could be a source of mocking.

Duchess seems to think so. I would not have thought such subjects worth it BUT if it is good enough for me...

[Fry Guy]

80% of Central American women crossing the border get raped. Search it in Google.

Now some Progressives and Democrats think build a wall to dissuade illegal immigrants and no encouraging the volume of illegal immigration is a bad thing. I personally think that this is an immoral position and disguises the fact that they truly give no fucks for dying children, raped women or preyed on desperate and destitute immigrants and see them as votes.

Hell they'll not even consider the effect it may have on reducing drug epidemic. What's the price of Mexican votes worth? A few dead children, poor desperate Mexican women getting raped? Dying junkies?

Votes are not worth that much in my estimation, but then i think the wall is a great idea.

[Duchess]

Duchess said she would presume the reason.

Oh Jesus Christ. DuchessDuchessDuchess. It was a wise crack, Fry Guy, nothing more, nothing less. I said it because of your know it all obnoxious behavior. I could see every woman you encounter running for the hills rather than spend a moment in your company because you are just too fuckin' much. I didn't even know you had a psychopath wife until you told all of us. How about you take a chill pill...or maybe a half dozen.