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Thank you, HOTD.

OK, Dick, looking at the forest instead of the trees, do the facts support your position or mine?

Ok call me stupid but when did we get a new President?

who owned it after that or actually before that.

unless I have completely lost my mind the promise was 16 months.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelands...aIrqWr.htm

at some point a President owns his own shit.

Bush started shit no doubt but who continued it business as usual?

Afghaistan is Obamas right? where are we there for troop numbers and well success "cough" ?

how many of that original coalition still exisits? does Afghanistan have UN support?

Iraq is over by the way.

OK. You're stupid.

Iraq: the bigger the mess, the longer it takes to clean up and get out, especially when you have the Rabid Right to contend with.

Afghanistan: you mean the war Bush had won before his ADD took over, he launched the useless war in Iraq and gave the Taliban a new lease on life?

Face saving, old timer, like Viet Nam 73 - 75. Peace with honor. You've heard the litany before.

Withdrawal and Taliban/Pakistan victory are inevitable.

But we must save face, especially in an election year.

Ok no answers I kinda figured it would be excuses and not answers.

Obama owned both wars when he became President, and most assuredly after 16 months after becoming President.

Obama increased the troop in Afghanistan didn't he? He has been calling the shots hasn't he?

Sorry being Commander and chief is what it is.

Ok, Dick, let's be real here. You're a big boy and have some knowledge of how the world works.

Obama didn't "own" the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He was saddled with them. And the responsibility for cleaning up the messes.

Increase our military strength? Yes, when things were dismal and it looked like we were getting chased out of there.

Do you really think that he EVER had the option of just ordering an immediate withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan? Political suicide.

Also, you don't need a crystal ball to imagine what the effect would be on our international relations after a 180 degree turnaround (viewed as us running with our tails between our legs) in a war that we have spent 10 years hyping.

Then go to the members of the armed forces (ours and our allies) and their families (especially with service members who came home wounded or didn't come home at all) with a message that says "It was all a mistake. Your sacrifice was meaningless".

Bush's mess. Obama's problem.

Public relations, Dick.

Real world and real world politics.

Enough of an answer for you?