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The Jew made sense.
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(03-05-2015, 12:46 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:
(03-04-2015, 10:37 PM)FAHQTOO Wrote: Of course he will be re-elected. His people probably get a warm fuzzy feeling inside when they see their leader doing everything he can to keep them and Israel safe.

I'm not much for debate...just throwing my opinion out there.

I do find the above question quite ridiculous when you see how our own clown of a leader is handling things in our own country...oh wait, he's NOT.

What do you see strong, righteous or admirable in Obama? He's not anything close to a leader. He's a divider.

Well, you did answer the question about what you find admirable about Netanyahu. You think that Netanyahu's aim is to keep his people and his country safe. That may well be something he feels strongly about. I sure hope so, all leaders should and I agree that it is admirable. But, I don't personally see how that can be viewed as Netanyahu's sole or primary driver in many cases.

I don't think continuing to unnecessarily build settlements in the West Bank helps keep his people safe, for example. It doesn't do anything but say "fuck you, I do what I want" to the Palestinians, the United Nations, the US, NATO, the Arab world, and just about every country on the planet which views it as a violation of international law and a sleazy repressive power play. If he'd stop doing it, some tensions could be lessened in the admittedly dangerous global neighborhood in which he resides.

I also don't think his attempts to dictate US foreign relations policy helps keep his people safe. To me, it jeopardizes his country's future security and demonstrates an unwillingness to work towards progress. The US has strong interest in preventing Iran from developing nuclear WMD capabilities, of which, Israel has a shitload. Were Iran to launch a bomb at Israel, Iran would be dust -- assuming Israel continues to keep and build its nuclear stockpile (no reason why it won't, it doesn't allow monitoring or inspections) AND keeps its financial supporters and allies. Iran knows this.

I don't think it keeps his people safe -- I'm assuming you mean the people living in Israel -- to position Jews around the world as "his people" and implore them to migrate to Israel. I think it promotes an isolationist agenda and demonstrates a total lack of concern for the wishes of European leaders. It strikes me as a power-play, not an attempt to secure the safety of Jews in and out of Israel. Of course, if his migration initiative works, it will also give him a new excuse to build on Palestinian-marked land. It's ironic, to me; Netanyahu claims that Israel is in constant threat of being blown off the face of the earth by Iran -- Iran being right on the verge of having a nuclear bomb and all (he's made that same claim multiple times in public addresses since 1996, btw). So, why the hell would he want to entice all European Jews into one central highly dangerous target location if his primary driver is safety?

Having said all of that, I get why he wants the US and other countries to be very cautious of Iran and why it benefits him in many ways to maintain mutual enemies with the US. I completely understand why the persecution of Jews in the past is something that cannot be forgotten and factors into the mindset. I agree that threats and rhetoric towards the destruction of Israel cannot be ignored. I believe that Israel has the right to respond to aggression from Palestine. But, I believe there are better ways to go about addressing the issues and I don't think Netanyahu cares to consider progress or working in partnership. In my view, he wants to keep things as they are at all costs, and that's dangerous.

As for Obama, I probably disagree with as many of his policies as I agree with. I don't think he's been a particularly strong leader when it comes to the economy and domestic policies. He's sometimes smug and I wish he'd refrain from public comment when it comes to criminal investigations -- it hurts, not helps. The more I know about the Bergdahl negotiation, the less I agree with it. Etc...

On the plus side, I think he's right not to embrace the "nuke the shit outta 'em" stance against entire countries. I think he was right not to "take out" Assad and leave a vacuum in Syria that could have been filled quickly by what we now know was the burgeoning IS organization (and other terrorist factions fighting to take control of the country). I believe ridding Assad's regime of chemical weapons was a good tactical negotiation. I think that facilitating a peaceful removal of the unsuccessful repressive (previously US-backed) Iraqi government was the righteous and smart play to motivate Iraqis to resist IS. I'm all for moving towards normalizing relations with Cuba, finally. I support Obama's decisions to air strike IS in Iraq, to partner with the Kurds, and to eventually airstrike Syria. I admire his leadership commitment and ability to build an international coalition inclusive of several Middle Eastern nations to fight a mutual terrorist threat, rather than the US and western allies doing it alone or storming in with ground troops. (As for withdrawing troops from Iraq in the first place, I don't know if that was a tactical error and could have staved off IS, for a while at least.)

Okay, I'm done. If you've read this post without nodding off half way through, hats off. hah

I don't have the mindset of Nuking entire countries either.

I also don't agree with everything Bibi says or does either. Obama, on the other hand...I have absolutely nothing good to say about him...NOTHING!!

I think Obama will regret flipping the bird to Bibi for the whole world to see. Actually, he won't regret it...he's too fucking arrogant and stupid to realize what he has done.
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The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-04-2015, 10:31 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-04-2015, 10:34 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-04-2015, 10:47 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-04-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-04-2015, 12:00 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-04-2015, 12:49 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-04-2015, 03:02 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Donovan - 03-04-2015, 02:59 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-04-2015, 05:53 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-04-2015, 05:41 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-04-2015, 07:25 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by FAHQTOO - 03-04-2015, 08:54 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-04-2015, 09:56 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by FAHQTOO - 03-04-2015, 10:37 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by crash - 03-04-2015, 11:17 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-04-2015, 11:59 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Blindgreed1 - 03-05-2015, 04:27 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-05-2015, 12:46 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by crash - 03-05-2015, 04:05 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by FAHQTOO - 03-05-2015, 04:28 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-05-2015, 04:56 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by FAHQTOO - 03-05-2015, 06:54 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-05-2015, 07:02 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-05-2015, 09:21 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by crash - 03-05-2015, 04:29 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-05-2015, 04:36 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-05-2015, 04:48 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-05-2015, 04:50 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by FAHQTOO - 03-05-2015, 07:13 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-07-2015, 08:23 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-09-2015, 08:35 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-09-2015, 08:46 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-05-2015, 05:05 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-05-2015, 08:20 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-05-2015, 09:09 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Donovan - 03-07-2015, 10:34 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-08-2015, 01:34 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by FAHQTOO - 03-08-2015, 07:37 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-08-2015, 11:46 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-09-2015, 09:15 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-09-2015, 09:15 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-09-2015, 10:07 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-11-2015, 11:25 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-12-2015, 10:23 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-09-2015, 09:39 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-10-2015, 05:50 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-09-2015, 09:44 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-09-2015, 09:46 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-09-2015, 10:13 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-10-2015, 12:20 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2015, 12:30 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-10-2015, 06:24 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-10-2015, 08:44 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-10-2015, 10:03 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-10-2015, 10:24 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2015, 12:54 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-10-2015, 02:20 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-10-2015, 04:26 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-13-2015, 11:44 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-13-2015, 05:57 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by blueberryhill - 03-13-2015, 10:47 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-13-2015, 06:16 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-13-2015, 06:19 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by username - 03-13-2015, 06:27 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-13-2015, 06:30 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-13-2015, 06:47 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-13-2015, 07:44 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-13-2015, 06:36 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-13-2015, 11:23 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 06:15 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by FAHQTOO - 03-14-2015, 10:17 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 10:19 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-14-2015, 11:14 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 11:21 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 10:12 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 10:17 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 11:02 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 11:05 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by sally - 03-14-2015, 11:09 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 11:22 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 11:25 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-14-2015, 11:37 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 11:50 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 11:50 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 11:51 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-14-2015, 12:08 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 12:46 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 04:01 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-16-2015, 07:05 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-16-2015, 07:09 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 11:51 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-14-2015, 01:12 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 01:41 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-14-2015, 01:47 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-14-2015, 03:27 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by username - 03-14-2015, 02:00 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 02:07 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by sally - 03-14-2015, 03:02 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 03:25 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by sally - 03-14-2015, 03:56 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by sally - 03-14-2015, 03:20 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 03:37 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-15-2015, 11:56 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-14-2015, 04:49 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by username - 03-14-2015, 06:19 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-17-2015, 06:05 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-17-2015, 11:48 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-17-2015, 12:00 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-17-2015, 12:10 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-17-2015, 12:27 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-17-2015, 12:28 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by username - 03-17-2015, 03:19 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-18-2015, 08:55 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-18-2015, 11:06 AM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-18-2015, 01:40 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-18-2015, 12:01 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-18-2015, 12:42 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-18-2015, 01:36 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Midwest Spy - 03-26-2015, 03:53 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-26-2015, 05:16 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Maggot - 03-26-2015, 04:32 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by HairOfTheDog - 03-26-2015, 05:35 PM
RE: The Jew made sense. - by Duchess - 03-26-2015, 05:54 PM