Presidential race 2016

[aussiefriend]

Nevermind.

[Maggot]

I am a fan of LEGAL immigration. But the path to citizenship is filled with many hoops to jump through. It shouldn't be so hard. It's the ones that sneak in and raise hell that bug me and it pisses off the ones that have worked hard to become Americans. We are all Americans not Mexican Americans European Americans and African Americans. Splitting people up in categories only separates us and divides people. Keeping a culture is fine but don't bring in vices that are illegal here.

[Duchess]

Nevermind.

Why would you change your mind? It's okay to tell me I'm wrong or to argue with me. I don't like it when people won't say something to me just because of who I am in here. You make me feel different when you do that.

Say it, bitch! Say it! Rawr.

[aussiefriend]

I thought he was afraid to say anything because I would call him a racist.

[Duchess]

Oh good. I hope it's that!

[Maggot]

Duchess grouped blacks in with white trash.......................


nevermind

[Jimbone]

Pussy.

Yes please.

I thought he was afraid to say anything because I would call him a racist.

Oh good. I hope it's that!

Not even close.

I was just going to posit the other side of the economic equation. If there is a financial benefit to having illegal immigrants, there is a converse financial drain to having illegal immigrants as well.

No judgements or opinion, just making the observation.

[Maggot]

I'm gonna laugh if the Chinese come up with any missing Hillary e-mails.

[username]

I was just going to posit the other side of the economic equation. If there is a financial benefit to having illegal immigrants, there is a converse financial drain to having illegal immigrants as well.

No judgements or opinion, just making the observation.

No doubt. I think HotD posted up thread that the positives may outweigh the negatives (by some thinking heads) by 1%. I tend to think it's a little higher but that's just me.

Anywho....I'm not suggesting we keep all 11 million. The current administration was pretty aggressively deporting the criminals...until they weren't. I'm all for booting out anyone arrested for criminal activity (beyond the fact that just being here is illegal) but...all of them? Can we keep, I dunno, 6-7 million?

I imagine the slave owners tried to negotiate that..."Fine, I'll free half my negroes, but I need the other half to keep pickin' that there cotton, dammit".

[Duchess]

I've had the opportunity to see many Mexicans at work and every single one I have ever seen is a damn hard worker and dependable too. They show up to do their job everyday and they take care of their family. I've seen a ton of blacks & whites simply abandon their responsibilities when it comes to work & the kids they have. I don't have anything bad to say about Mexicans. I'm not saying I've seen all there is to see but I wouldn't lead any movement to shove them out of the country even though it sometimes irks me when I think what part of illegal don't some people understand when it comes to drivers licenses and such things.

[Blindgreed1]

I've had the opportunity to see many Mexicans at work and every single one I have ever seen is a damn hard worker and dependable too. They show up to do their job everyday and they take care of their family. I've seen a ton of blacks & whites simply abandon their responsibilities when it comes to work & the kids they have. I don't have anything bad to say about Mexicans. I'm not saying I've seen all there is to see but I wouldn't lead any movement to shove them out of the country even though it sometimes irks me when I think what part of illegal don't some people understand when it comes to drivers licenses and such things.

Spend a Saturday night down on South 6^th Avenue and you may be singing a different tune. It dawns on you about the time you pass the sign that says "Emergency services will not respond beyond this point."

[BlueTiki]

That's exactly what I suspect! and if you pull them out of the system you lose a vital support within your culture, social structure, network and infrastructure. If you remove these people who are deemed "illegal" you may cause a trauma to the U.S. and damage that you may not recover from. Who knows what individual tales of heartache and pain that you are creating? I think it is madness and hysteria at it's worst. He kind of reminds me of a bull in a china shop.

Finally, when someone is that wealthy, people like you to have a little humility and kindness in your heart. This man comes across as gruff, vulgar and repulsive. He thought he had a shot with Princess Diana. #getoveryourself

That's the same argument the slave owners used to perpetuate slavery, dumbass.

And they are not "deemed" illegal . . . if they entered our country without following established Federal law, they ARE illegal aliens.

You have an elitist attitude while feigning open mindedness. You would continue to exploit a class of people willing to accept lower wages to increase the profits of business owners and keep consumers happy.

The difference between you and a sweatshop owner is they own a business and you don't. You are an economic imperialist.

When OZ starts issuing over one millions resident visas a year and allows 13 million illegals to reside and benefit from your taxes and laws, maybe you'll have something relevant to share.

The fact of your illiterate and provincial attitude against Trump affirms my belief that he should occupy the White House.

[HairOfTheDog]

Too bad the Democrats and Republicans won't simply work together and negotiate a smart immigration reform package.

I agree with user that the benefits provided by illegal immigrants exceed the costs. Financially, the benefit is largely estimated at +1%, but finances are not the only consideration for me.

I wouldn't object to an immigration reform package which included deporting all convicted felons, better training and more resources for border patrol, an easier path to citizenship for those law-abiding illegals who are already here and contributing to the culture and economy, and even a cap at the number of new immigrants that can enter per year (based on a rational criteria). I don't care one way or another about the wall, other than it's a huge expense and one that doesn't eliminate the need for border control agents and immigration reform.

However, rather than working towards a reasonable immigration reform package as promised to the American people years ago, some in the GOP are dancing to an extremist tune. I think it's one that will hurt the Republican Party and would hurt the country if it came to pass.

A couple of the GOP presidential candidates have opposed repealing the 14^th amendment's birthright citizenship guarantees in the past (Paul, Graham) for good reasons. Like Trump, they are now supporting modifying the 14^th amendment. I'm glad Rubio, Fiorina, Bush, Kasich....are not blindly following, at least not at this point.

On the plus side for Democrats, if the shortsighted (IMO) rhetoric gains any traction, the door will be wide open to discuss amending the Second Amendment for similar reasons -- essentially, that times have changed, the Constitution doesn't cover today's reality, and there are too damned many of them (guns, immigrants) now. I think Democratic candidates and thoughtful members of the public would waste little time sauntering through that door, armed with solid rationale for increased regulation of guns in today's society. That could be done in the process of declaring their opposition to stripping Americans of their birthright citizenship (thereby likely increasing Democratic support within the Hispanic community).

[Blindgreed1]

That's exactly what I suspect! and if you pull them out of the system you lose a vital support within your culture, social structure, network and infrastructure. If you remove these people who are deemed "illegal" you may cause a trauma to the U.S. and damage that you may not recover from. Who knows what individual tales of heartache and pain that you are creating? I think it is madness and hysteria at it's worst. He kind of reminds me of a bull in a china shop.

Finally, when someone is that wealthy, people like you to have a little humility and kindness in your heart. This man comes across as gruff, vulgar and repulsive. He thought he had a shot with Princess Diana. #getoveryourself

That's the same argument the slave owners used to perpetuate slavery, dumbass.

And they are not "deemed" illegal . . . if they entered our country without following established Federal law, they ARE illegal aliens.

You have an elitist attitude while feigning open mindedness. You would continue to exploit a class of people willing to accept lower wages to increase the profits of business owners and keep consumers happy.

The difference between you and a sweatshop owner is they own a business and you don't. You are an economic imperialist.

When OZ starts issuing over one millions resident visas a year and allows 13 million illegals to reside and benefit from your taxes and laws, maybe you'll have something relevant to share.

The fact of your illiterate and provincial attitude against Trump affirms my belief that he should occupy the White House.

True story.

[Duchess]

Spend a Saturday night down on South 6^th Avenue and you may be singing a different tune. It dawns on you about the time you pass the sign that says "Emergency services will not respond beyond this point."

I can only post about my own experience with them and speak to what I've seen. I don't go into bad 'hoods, I'm a chickenshit.

[username]

...an easier path to citizenship for those law-abiding illegals who are already here and contributing to the culture and economy....

My only concern about "paths to citizenship" are those pesky minimum wage laws. No more "you work for $5/hr. or I'll just fire you and hire some other illegal who will work for those wages".

Am I going to hell?

I guess part of the reason I justify my cheap labor thoughts is that, they come here, illegally, for the most part of their own accord. And for all I know that $5/hr. is a fortune to them compared to the circumstances they experienced at home. If it were better wherever they lived prior, it's not like anyone is forcing them to stay so...I differentiate between taking advantage of people who come here illegally as opposed to those that were brought here on ships in chains. Big difference.

[Blindgreed1]

Spend a Saturday night down on South 6^th Avenue and you may be singing a different tune. It dawns on you about the time you pass the sign that says "Emergency services will not respond beyond this point."

I can only post about my own experience with them and speak to what I've seen. I don't go into bad 'hoods, I'm a chickenshit.

But that's where the best Mexican food is! Hop in my low rider chica! Ayyyyeeeiii!!!

[BlueTiki]

IF the US is truly concerned about the hardships and living conditions that are forcing these poor browns to cross to El Norte to find a better life . . .

Why aren't we diverting the billions in foreign aid (going to countries who openly loathe us) and help our southern neighbors to ease the plight of their citizens?

We have 93 million working age Americans unemployed.

We have 46 million on food stamps.

So let's keep wages low and continue to export manufacturing to other countries while allowing illegal aliens to suppress wages and gay suck Uncle Sam's tit.

IF the conditions are so bad, causing these aliens to flee, why isn't the world community declaring this as as a humanitarian crisis?

Let China and Russia bail out impoverished Latin American countries . . . or kick these fucking wage scabs out of our country and send them to OZ.

JSYK - of all the candidates, Trump has provided more economic relief to brown than any other candidate.

And "No" . . . It's not having them scrub his US holdings' toilets.

[aussiefriend]

I was just going to posit the other side of the economic equation. If there is a financial benefit to having illegal immigrants, there is a converse financial drain to having illegal immigrants as well.

No judgements or opinion, just making the observation.

Jimmy, if you abruptly disrupt an economic status quo that your society has adapted to, wouldn't it be inevitably traumatic personally, financially and economically to your country. The stock market doesn't like this sort of thing, it gets nervous if you have a train strike, imagine something as controversial as that. I am not good at financial stuff at all, but I would think that there would have to be an adverse fall out from drastic measures.

[aussiefriend]

I think those that play cheerleader for Trump are ridiculous, irrelevant and should be ignored. They are an embarrassment to themselves. Watching this lady that Trump is paying to go on CNN everyday and talk about how wonderful he is, is truly, total cringe material. It's awful.