WHOSE FAULT IS IT?

[thekid65]

NA and AA were not for me. Shit got old, very quick. That is not to say that there arent some kickass folks in there who are committed to being sober. The one meeting I found palatable was a small group, with folks that had a lot of years of sobriety. These guys would be there for you at the drop of the hat if one needed some help. However, once you listen to the same stuff over and over again, the shit gets old. Plus, the step program just wasnt my cup of tea, and I generally think it's crap. Works for a lot of folks though.

To answer your question HotD, I would think it's best for folks trying to kick a habit to hang around addicts that have had years of sobriety, not weeks, or months. These guys/gals have been there and done that. To add to that...many of my golfing buddies drink like fish...I still hang with them, and have had no issues at all refraining from drinking the typical 10 beers I would during a normal round. Where I think I would struggle a bit would be at parties and the like, where the whole evening would be about everyone drinking and having a good time. For me, I need to stay away from that shit.....not that I couldnt handle it, but hell...why put myself through it?

[Cynical Ninja]

But the consequences are minimal

What?

Do you know how many people die of smoking tobacco every year? Worldwide its in the millions and millions.

And they reckon nicotine can be addictive as crack, I mean look at Sal since she quit! She's like a crackhead locked in a basement!

(Yeah I mentioned you again Sal! I'd get fucking used to it from now on if I was you fucknut)

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks, Kid.

For my friend, it was court-mandated attendance and I suspect, but don't know for sure, that many of the others in the program were there in order to avoid jail time, too (rather than having made a serious choice to get clean). He pulled it together a few years ago and now only smokes pot, which doesn't seem to be a problem at all, but I think counselors advise addicts against using marijuana as well?

For my family member, it was a choice but didn't last long. That one is a roller-coaster that breaks my heart and makes me feel helpless. I keep hoping some form of treatment is gonna stick. Working a lot and keeping really busy seems to be the best deterrent, so far.

[Cynical Ninja]

NA and AA were not for me. Shit got old, very quick. That is not to say that there arent some kickass folks in there who are committed to being sober. The one meeting I found palatable was a small group, with folks that had a lot of years of sobriety. These guys would be there for you at the drop of the hat if one needed some help. However, once you listen to the same stuff over and over again, the shit gets old. Plus, the step program just wasnt my cup of tea, and I generally think it's crap. Works for a lot of folks though.

To answer your question HotD, I would think it's best for folks trying to kick a habit to hang around addicts that have had years of sobriety, not weeks, or months. These guys/gals have been there and done that. To add to that...many of my golfing buddies drink like fish...I still hang with them, and have had no issues at all refraining from drinking the typical 10 beers I would during a normal round. Where I think I would struggle a bit would be at parties and the like, where the whole evening would be about everyone drinking and having a good time. For me, I need to stay away from that shit.....not that I couldnt handle it, but hell...why put myself through it?

I would be genuinely interested to read about how you became a crack addict in the first place.

Were there gateway drugs that led you to crack? Did you get into crack because of hanging out with the wrong crowd?, were you trying to escape an earlier trauma in life? When did you realise you had to stop?

[sally]

Quit mentioning me in every one of your posts just because you're bitter that I pointed out your unhealthy eating habits, cock sucker.

Oh I haven't finished with that thread nicotine hag not by a long shot! It sometimes takes me longer to respond because I'm very busy now and don't have as much spare time as you have domestic soup chicken.

Never confuse a delayed reply with a none existant “win”, pussy muncher. I will be back in that thread to bend you over and stick my forum cock up your sweaty gaping anus as per usual don't worry!

You are a certified nut. There is nothing left you can say on the subject.

It's brazenly obvious that you took something I said and twisted it all around in an effort to make it appear that I feed my kids garbage. Especially when everyone can read what I actually did say. When I pointed out that you are the one who in fact lives off a diet of frozen meals, canned corn and chocolate eclairs you lost the few marbles you had left. And it doesn't look like they're coming back.

[HairOfTheDog]

Your kids eat better than anyone that I know, sally. That's been clear to me through a couple of years of reading Soup Kitchen posts - lucky little bastards.

I think CN just likes dreaming about sweaty gaping anuses. He's moved on to women now, so at least he's not gender-biased about it. There's that.

Christ, you don't even allow sugar substitutes in the home. I love the shit personally and still consume it daily despite the reported health risks.

But, I'm not a lucky bitch like you and FAHQTOO and user. I'm a big fluctuator - gain too much really fast, and lose too much really fast (though less so as I get older). Really gotta watch the calories closely here - but always allow for regular splurges. Fun and enjoyment are at least as important to me as peak physical condition, though, and I have no desire to live to 100.

[FAHQTOO]

Quit mentioning me in every one of your posts just because you're bitter that I pointed out your unhealthy eating habits, cock sucker.

Oh I haven't finished with that thread nicotine hag not by a long shot! It sometimes takes me longer to respond because I'm very busy now and don't have as much spare time as you have domestic soup chicken.

Never confuse a delayed reply with a none existant “win”, pussy muncher. I will be back in that thread to bend you over and stick my forum cock up your sweaty gaping anus as per usual don't worry!

You are a certified nut. There is nothing left you can say on the subject.

It's brazenly obvious that you took something I said and twisted it all around in an effort to make it appear that I feed my kids garbage. Especially when everyone can read what I actually did say. When I pointed out that you are the one who in fact lives off a diet of frozen meals, canned corn and chocolate eclairs you lost the few marbles you had left. And it doesn't look like they're coming back.

I'm pretty sure he does believe nobody else can see other peoples replies to him...except Aussies, that is.

I use to think those 2 were married. Now I firmly believe they're fraternal twins living on separate continents.

I mean, look at the similarities. They're both batshit crazy. They both work with the even batshit craiziers. They both agree with everything each other says, when nobody else does. They both have to have the last word. Everybody else is stupid and they're not...blah, blah blahhhh

They hate each others guts, but keep communication open through the locked-down fortress of Mock.

I'm already yawning at his future reply, and laughing at hers.

[Duchess]

Heh. "the locked down fortress of Mock".

[aussiefriend]

Hey Kid,

thanks for your input into this discussion. I am surprised that you said that AA or NA was not for you, because they do the 12 step program. But you obviously have found some support network that works for you.

I really value you here at Mock and I hope that you always are here with us. I know that the drug is as sinister as FQ2. I am so glad you escaped it's clutches, I am sure there are men out there who have not escaped FQ2 as easily.

[Duchess]

Kid is not a crackhead! He's talked about his addiction in here and it has nothing to do with crack or any other street drug.

[Eat Shit And Die]

She has no perception Duchess, I'd have thought you knew this by now.

[thekid65]

Thanks, Kid.

For my friend, it was court-mandated attendance and I suspect, but don't know for sure, that many of the others in the program were there in order to avoid jail time, too (rather than having made a serious choice to get clean). He pulled it together a few years ago and now only smokes pot, which doesn't seem to be a problem at all, but I think counselors advise addicts against using marijuana as well?

For my family member, it was a choice but didn't last long. That one is a roller-coaster that breaks my heart and makes me feel helpless. I keep hoping some form of treatment is gonna stick. Working a lot and keeping really busy seems to be the best deterrent, so far.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the amount of times a court mandated person would walk into a meeting just reeking of booze. They would walk in, sit down rather isolated, and not say a word. They pass a basket around for donations typically halfway through the meeting. The mandated folks would throw in their green cards to be signed by one of the meeting leaders (to prove they were attending). Once the card was returned, they'd get up an leave. Rather obvious they did not want to be there, nor did they have any desire to deal with the issue at hand.

As to your family member, unfortunately, when it costs her everything, or is about to..hopefully she'll wake up, as I did. Nothing will stick unless she is ready for it to.

NA and AA were not for me. Shit got old, very quick. That is not to say that there arent some kickass folks in there who are committed to being sober. The one meeting I found palatable was a small group, with folks that had a lot of years of sobriety. These guys would be there for you at the drop of the hat if one needed some help. However, once you listen to the same stuff over and over again, the shit gets old. Plus, the step program just wasnt my cup of tea, and I generally think it's crap. Works for a lot of folks though.

To answer your question HotD, I would think it's best for folks trying to kick a habit to hang around addicts that have had years of sobriety, not weeks, or months. These guys/gals have been there and done that. To add to that...many of my golfing buddies drink like fish...I still hang with them, and have had no issues at all refraining from drinking the typical 10 beers I would during a normal round. Where I think I would struggle a bit would be at parties and the like, where the whole evening would be about everyone drinking and having a good time. For me, I need to stay away from that shit.....not that I couldnt handle it, but hell...why put myself through it?

I would be genuinely interested to read about how you became a crack addict in the first place.

Were there gateway drugs that led you to crack? Did you get into crack because of hanging out with the wrong crowd?, were you trying to escape an earlier trauma in life? When did you realise you had to stop?

I'll take this as a sincere question. Tough one to answer though, as I really don't know. Smoked my fist joint around the age of 13. A friends older brother introduced it to my buddy and I. Then, I suppose it eventually became a crowd that I was hanging with thing. Always hung around the older kids...and as their progression into harder drugs went along, so did mine. At some point, dunno when...the addiction set in. Can't really say there was any trauma I was escaping from, except perhaps the ones I brought on myself due to my addiction. It did become a "feeling normal" thing for me.

Couple years ago the ex left me right around Thanksgiving...no biggie, our marriage was shit anyways. Partially do to my drinking, and partially well...because she was a bi-polar wench. Had I been sober, I dont think the marriage would had lasted as long as it did. I suppose alcohol (I had long since given up everything else I had done in my past) was my escape from this lousy marriage. I'd just drink, and hole up in a different room than she was in.

Anyhoo, my plant closed down for 2 weeks around Christmas. I went on the mother of all benders. When it was time to go back to work, I was pretty much done. Called in sick for a week straight just to stay home and drink.

Even drunk off my ass, I realized I was fixing to screw the pooch, and totally fuck my life. Reached out to the VP of my company, and asked for help. She set the wheels in motion to get me into treatment...which was necessary for me, as no way in hell I could do it alone. I needed to be in a facility where no booze was available. Call it weak, or whatever you want, but that's what I needed. And I tellya, seeing some of those fuckers in there was a real eye-opener, and a glimpse into my possible future if I didnt get my shit straight.

1 month after getting back to work, my boss approached me and complimented me on how I was doing, and told me how much better it was to be around me. Made my fucking day, and also let me know that I had made the right choice, and I needed to continue. Anyhow, just finished up 2 years on Jan 24^th.

Hey Kid,

thanks for your input into this discussion. I am surprised that you said that AA or NA was not for you, because they do the 12 step program. But you obviously have found some support network that works for you.

I really value you here at Mock and I hope that you always are here with us. I know that the drug is as sinister as FQ2. I am so glad you escaped it's clutches, I am sure there are men out there who have not escaped FQ2 as easily.

Nope, no network really...albeit I do have a small group of great friends that truly want to see me succeed. And yeah...the 12 step program...not for me. Relieves heavily on a belief in some type of "God"...not my cup of tea. Also requires one to go around and apologize (make amends) to folks you have harmed. Well, fuck that. I've already apologized to the ones that matter, no sense in opening up old wounds where all has been forgiven, and people have moved on. I also don't like the "powerless over drugs/alcohol" thing in step one. It's bullshit, in my opinion. Everyone has the power, they just need to fucking use it.

Kid is not a crackhead! He's talked about his addiction in here and it has nothing to do with crack or any other street drug.

Yeah, tried crack and didnt like it Get your fucking story straight, CN

Actually, in my youth, it was all about the street drugs. There werent too many that I didnt at least try. Some I liked, some I really, really liked...and some...meh, not so much (heroin/cocaine)

[aussiefriend]

She has no perception Duchess, I'd have thought you knew this by now.

I never said he was Dana! You can't just swan in here when you feel like it and post randomly, you have to read the thread to keep up.

[FAHQTOO]

I am sure there are men out there who have not escaped FQ2 as easily.

...right on schedule.

Hi crazy Lady.

[aussiefriend]

I couldn't resist!

[FAHQTOO]

I couldn't resist!

I know. We both have that in common.

[Duchess]

We both have that in common.

Imagine me checking your forehead for fever.

[FAHQTOO]

We both have that in common.

Imagine me checking your forehead for fever.

[Duchess]

You surprised me.

[Tammy75]

My family is full of addicts. I guess I am lucky in that I am a functioning addict. My Brother has hit his rock bottom a couple of times and after 10 yrs of NOT bailing him out, I am going broke trying to keep him from being homeless again because he is sober. That still doesn't change the fact that I am a functioning alcoholic.

There I said it. And I own it. And there goes my codependency again and again...........