School & Public Stabbings

[Maggot]

As long as they were absolutely sure it was him. Because some people run and stuff when they think they will be arrested.

[HairOfTheDog]

Here are some additional details in regards to the UC Merced stabbing.

The stabbing happened during an 8 a.m. class in the Classroom and Office Building. Sheriff Warnke said the suspect attacked another student with a fixed-blade knife. It is unknown why the suspect attacked the other student.

The noise from the attack drew Byron Price to the classroom. Warnke said because the contract employee walked into the class during the attack, he helped save the student's life.

The suspect stabbed Byron Price, ran from the classroom on the second floor and down the stairs. He then encountered another student, stabbed the person and ran out of the building.

Warnke said the suspect ran across the street and came upon a faculty member. The suspect stabbed her in the back and front then continued to run.

UC Merced campus police then confronted the suspect. Officers shot and killed the suspect when he continued to threaten the police.

The bomb squad was called to the scene because the suspect was carrying a backpack with unknown contents, Warnke said.

The campus was locked down as officers worked to contain the situation.
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http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/news...d/36254312

[sally]

I prefer to make decisions based on facts because sometimes what seems logical isn't reality. If you are at a distance of 21 feet or more you might have a better chance at surviving a knife attack, of course, i'd wager that if you were 21 feet or more away from a gunman your chances of survival would likely be about the same in your crowded movie theater scenario.

I'd wager to bet that it would take much less time for someone with an assault rifle to hit multiple people both up close and within 21 feet than it would for someone to stab multiple people (people who will most likely being fighting back and not something you can do with bullets) both up close and within 21 feet.

How fast can you hit multiple targets from 21 ft. Fu? I bet faster than you could with a single knife.

[Maggot]

IDK I've seen James Bond wipe out an entire room full of people in the dark with the knife in his shoe.

[Midwest Spy]

No Shit, Sal ^.

This is a school stabbing's thread.

My comment about taking my chances with the knife pertain to this specific scenario:

Either I'm faculty or a student and someone is intent on spree killing in my school.

I'll take my chances with the knife over the gun.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[Duchess]

Why is this so hard to understand?

I understand it and I'd rather take my chances with a knife rather than a gun too.

[HairOfTheDog]

As long as they were absolutely sure it was him. Because some people run and stuff when they think they will be arrested.

'Mistaken suspect identity' wasn't even a factor in the actual discussion about police avoiding vehicle pursuit when the risk to public safety greatly exceeds the gain of immediate apprehension.

And, it's no more relevant to the stabbing incident we're discussing here.

But, just to reassure you: the fact that the stabbing suspect was stopped at the scene of the crime -- in possession of the bloody weapon he'd just used to stab the conscious victims/eyewitnesses who were on hand to identify him -- probably gave the cops their first solid clue that he was in fact "the guy". Clue 2 was likely the fact that the suspect threatened police with the weapon when they tried to apprehend him.

[Maggot]

As long as they were absolutely sure it was him. Because some people run and stuff when they think they will be arrested.

'Mistaken suspect identity' wasn't even a factor in the actual discussion about police avoiding vehicle pursuit when the risk to public safety greatly exceeds the gain of immediate apprehension.

And, it's no more relevant to the stabbing incident we're discussing here.

But, just to reassure you: the fact that the stabbing suspect was stopped at the scene of the crime -- in possession of the bloody weapon he'd just used to stab the conscious victims/eyewitnesses who were on hand to identify him -- probably gave the cops their first solid clue that he was in fact "the guy". Clue 2 was likely the fact that the suspect threatened police with the weapon when they tried to apprehend him.

Yeah that timeline was not present at the time of my first post. I thought they had caught him later after he was gone from the scene. It's still a relevant point though.

[HairOfTheDog]

Ok Maggot.

[Blindgreed1]

I prefer to make decisions based on facts because sometimes what seems logical isn't reality. If you are at a distance of 21 feet or more you might have a better chance at surviving a knife attack, of course, i'd wager that if you were 21 feet or more away from a gunman your chances of survival would likely be about the same in your crowded movie theater scenario.

I'd wager to bet that it would take much less time for someone with an assault rifle to hit multiple people both up close and within 21 feet than it would for someone to stab multiple people (people who will most likely being fighting back and not something you can do with bullets) both up close and within 21 feet.

How fast can you hit multiple targets from 21 ft. Fu? I bet faster than you could with a single knife.

Well, now we are going to discuss what's faster? A bullet or a knife? The bullet of course is faster but, according to the evidence, less lethal. When you're betting on a mass murderer with a gun the people in close proximity of the shooter are more likely to get hit than the people 21 feet or more away, so I'd take that bet and your money every time.

[Blindgreed1]

No Shit, Sal ^.

This is a school stabbing's thread.

My comment about taking my chances with the knife pertain to this specific scenario:

Either I'm faculty or a student and someone is intent on spree killing in my school.

I'll take my chances with the knife over the gun.

Why is this so hard to understand?

I guess because the facts keep getting in the way of your socially accepted theory.

[F.U.]

How fast can you hit multiple targets from 21 ft. Fu? I bet faster than you could with a single knife.

That's a safe but uneven bet Sally. Unlike most of these wackos I actually train for this shit. But since you ask. I hold the record in our group of 40. My best is, from the holstered position draw and fire two shots to the head [life like targets] and did a mandatory magazine change in the middle , Time was 6.67 seconds.

So that's , draw, aim, shoot 4 rounds [at 2 different targets], change magazine, aim and shoot 6 more rounds [at 3 different targets], all in under 7 seconds.

Since I mentioned it I will explain. This drill is used to aid you in case a attacker rushes you. Yes we actually train for the 21 feet rule.

[F.U.]

No Shit, Sal ^.

This is a school stabbing's thread.

My comment about taking my chances with the knife pertain to this specific scenario:

Either I'm faculty or a student and someone is intent on spree killing in my school.

I'll take my chances with the knife over the gun.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And I would rather take on the gunman rather than a knifeman. We all have our rathers and they are not all the same.

[Duchess]

So that's , draw, aim, shoot 4 rounds [at 2 different targets], change magazine, aim and shoot 6 more rounds [at 3 different targets], all in under 7 seconds.

Well I can run circles around most people. I'm faster than the speed of light running away from something. I practice by inadvertently stepping into a yellow jacket nest. See me fly. *flexes*

[F.U.]

So that's , draw, aim, shoot 4 rounds [at 2 different targets], change magazine, aim and shoot 6 more rounds [at 3 different targets], all in under 7 seconds.

Well I can run circles around most people. I'm faster than the speed of light running away from something. I practice by inadvertently stepping into a yellow jacket nest. See me fly. *flexes*

Finally a little humor in this thread !

[sally]

No Shit, Sal ^.

This is a school stabbing's thread.

My comment about taking my chances with the knife pertain to this specific scenario:

Either I'm faculty or a student and someone is intent on spree killing in my school.

I'll take my chances with the knife over the gun.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And I would rather take on the gunman rather than a knifeman. We all have our rathers and they are not all the same.

So you'd rather be sitting at the food court in the mall and have some nut come running in and opening fire on everyone than someone with just a single knife?

[F.U.]

And before someone says, if a knife is so dangerous/scary why don't you carry a knife instead of a gun. I carry both so I cover both basses.

[F.U.]

No Shit, Sal ^.

This is a school stabbing's thread.

My comment about taking my chances with the knife pertain to this specific scenario:

Either I'm faculty or a student and someone is intent on spree killing in my school.

I'll take my chances with the knife over the gun.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And I would rather take on the gunman rather than a knifeman. We all have our rathers and they are not all the same.

So you'd rather be sitting at the food court in the mall and have some nut come running in and opening fire on everyone than someone with just a single knife?

I said I , me, number one, myself. I would rather take on a gunman than a man with a knife.

[sally]

Well, now we are going to discuss what's faster? A bullet or a knife? The bullet of course is faster but, according to the evidence, less lethal. When you're betting on a mass murderer with a gun the people in close proximity of the shooter are more likely to get hit than the people 21 feet or more away, so I'd take that bet and your money every time.
[/quote]

What in the bloody hell are you talking about? No matter what the murder weapon of course the people in closer proximity are easier targets. But the people that are further away have more of a chance getting away from the knife than the bullets because yes, bullets are faster than knives.

[Blindgreed1]

I'm not sure how you keep screwing up the quotes, but i'm certain it's not because you're 21 feet or more away from your keyboard. This is what the bloody hell i'm talking about: The people who are further away from the attacker have approximately the same odds regardless of the implement.