The Crying Game / TRANSGENDER DISCUSSION

[Carsman]

Whigger

[IroningBroad]

Wtf.This lady probably doesnt even know who she is now that her little charade has come a tumblin down.

[BlueTiki]

Bill Clinton . . . America's white "Black".

I'm guessing the "C" in NAACP now stands for Caucasian.

[Duchess]

I watched the interview where she was asked straight up if she is African American and she said, "I don't understand the question".

[Maggot]

Elizabeth Warren said she was an American Indian to get into college.



Lying has become part of our culture.

[HairOfTheDog]

I watched the interview where she was asked straight up if she is African American and she said, "I don't understand the question".

And then she halted the interview and left.

My understanding is that's what prompted the interviewer to do a little research and contact her parents. They seem deeply religious and a bit "off" themselves (to me), but I don't blame them for telling the truth and outing her rather than going into hiding or getting spun into her web of lies.

It's making me laugh reading some of the comments attached to news articles by people defending her actions. Suckers.

If she were just one of those chicks or dudes who adopts the ethnic culture or lifestyle of those around them and is driven to fully acclimate, or a person who is passionate about helping to further civil rights for another segment of society, she wouldn't be a story. There are plenty of people like that. This is different.

Dolezal highjacked the black experience and claimed to have a personal lifetime of it. She falsely claimed a black man as her father in order to promote a public event that she, positioning herself as a black leader, was hosting. She falsely presented her black adopted brother as her son. She lied about her race on an application to get an appointment within the police department. She lectured black women, lamenting and advising them about a lifetime of dealing with 'nappy' hair and discrimination in beauty shops. She filed false complaints to police about being a victim of racially-motivated hate crimes, etc... And, she continually derided whites in the process of perpetuating her fraud.

I don't think she deserves to be arrested for it or anything (unless it turns out she committed crimes in the process), but the public shaming and mockery is more appropriate than the defense of her fraud as "the end justifying the means". She's no Rosa Parks.

Anyway, she can identify as black all she wants, like she now claims. It's the blatant public lies about it, for personal/professional gain, that make her a fraudulent asshole and hurts rather than helps the black community, IMO.

[Duchess]

"She's no Rosa Parks". *snicker*

[sally]

She lectured black women, lamenting and advising them about a lifetime of dealing with 'nappy' hair and discrimination in beauty shops.

[Cutz]

You guys are very critical of my Snowball/Oreo sista. She's just trying to be Whibla. It's a very confusing time in her life. You should be more understanding.

#ItGetsBetter #WhiblaLivesMatter #NationalAssociationAdvancementCaucasianColoredPeople.

[HairOfTheDog]

You guys are very critical of my Snowball/Oreo sista. She's just trying to be Whibla. It's a very confusing time in her life. You should be more understanding.

#ItGetsBetter #WhiblaLivesMatter #NationalAssociationAdvancementCaucasianColoredPeople.

She said she "doesn't give two shits" what non-blacks think anyway.

After refusing to answer the original reporter's question as to her race and walking off, she did another interview Friday (after the story hit the news).

At that time, she indicated that she doesn't identify as African-American and prefers "black". If she were asked to identify her race, she said, "yes, I consider myself Black."

Anyway, the NAACP has stated that people of any race can serve on the organization's board and has made no condemnations of Dolezal's actions. The matter will be addressed with her in the Spokane NAACP committee meeting tomorrow.



I'm interested in hearing what your sista has to say in her statements tomorrow.

[Duchess]

My boss is so bewildered by this story, utterly dumbfounded. She doesn't understand why anyone would pretend to be "colored". Her word not mine.

[HairOfTheDog]

Someone posted this yesterday. It made me laugh.



I could see Dolezal preferring the black culture and wanting to be black. I could see her being immersed in it and identifying more with blacks than whites. No problem. If that's the case, she's far from alone and I don't personally give a shit.

Where she crossed the line was portraying herself to be black by birth and lying about it in a position of black leadership.

Oddly enough, I think the "nappy hair" lectures are going to be the biggest problem for her in terms of credibility.

She can say that the black man she claimed as her father is someone she considers a father figure, so she wasn't lying or delusional. She can say that her black adopted little brother is like a son to her and lives with her, so she wasn't lying or delusional when she presented him as her son. She can say that she checked "black" (along with white and American Indian) on the police application because she internally identifies as black. She can say that she was really the object of hate crimes, even if they couldn't be proven or prosecuted. But, how the hell is she gonna get around lecturing about having struggled with her black "nappy hair" all of her life when she had straight blonde hair until she was 37, without being considered a liar or delusional?

I thinks she's clearly a con woman (and maybe mentally ill), regardless of her motivations.

Anyway, I'm truly surprised by the number of black and white people supporting her.

[Donovan]

I guess there is such a thing as carrying a lie just a little too far. She'd probably have been fine if she hadn't gotten addicted to the attention garnered by being the face of the agency there.

Sad part is, even when they're pretending to be black, the white girls catch all the breaks.

I can also see her having been subjected to hate crimes even as a white person, because perception is reality and if she was perceived as black someone might have treated her as such. Is there such a thing as "self-inflicted" hate crime? Or does it fall under the repugnant rape-culture credo of "well if she didn't DRESS that way, it wouldn't have happened."

Culture appropriation is nothing new. I think aside from embarrassment at the hands of her family, who I think are assholes btw, her biggest issue is going to be the legal documents she may have signed in order to gain undeserved privileges.

[HairOfTheDog]

Is there such a thing as "self-inflicted" hate crime? Or does it fall under the repugnant rape-culture credo of "well if she didn't DRESS that way, it wouldn't have happened."

The problem with the complaints she filed about hate crimes against her isn't that she's white. The cops didn't even presumably know she was white when they investigated. The problem is that her allegations could not be substantiated and there is suspicion that she made them up.

If the suspicions are correct (which may never be provable), then she's a liar and an attention-seeker, and she used her assumed race to perpetuate racial tension and potentially cause harm to others.

her biggest issue is going to be the legal documents she may have signed in order to gain undeserved privileges.

Aside from checking "black" on the volunteer police ombudsman application for the black community, I haven't seen it confirmed that she claimed to be black on other applications or official docs, though I'm sure that's being investigated now.

But, my point stands, either way. Let's say it turns out she checked "black" as her race on some applications or official docs (instead of just leaving it blank, which would have been wiser).

She's currently running with the "I consider myself to be black; I identify as black" excuse. There seem to be a lot of people buying it or giving her the benefit of the doubt; people who therefor don't consider her assertion that she's black to be a lie.

But, even that lot of generous or gullible people can't deny that she was lying through her teeth when she claimed to struggle with nappy hair issues her whole life and shared those experiences with "other" black women. The fact that she had straight light hair until she was 37 years old is not debatable. It's a cold hard fact. Her statements to the contrary can't be excused by her claimed state of mind or racial self-identification. The only explanation is that she lied or she's delusional.

[Cutz]

She finally embraced her inner nappy hair. It doesn't matter that her exterior hair didn't match how she felt. She had an operation to transform her outward appearance, thereby making her hair black hair.

#ItsAllAMetaphor.

[HairOfTheDog]

That's dumb Cutz.

Saying she identifies as black and altering her physical appearance to pass as black is one thing.

Creating a false narrative that she was always physically black is another.

What she did would be like a man who internally identifies as a woman dressing as a woman, checking "female" on the application, getting a job as a leading spokesperson for Feminists of America, and giving public speeches to "other" women about his/her life-long struggle with menstrual cramps and birth control pills.

#Cutzbetrippin'.

[sally]

I don't know why people can't seem to get that ^^^. She was paid to lecture people on the struggles of growing up as a black girl and used herself as an example.

I also thought her parents were assholes at first, but I'm not sure now what I would do if I was confronted with the questions about her ethnicity. Especially if I was a good parent and she estranged herself from me just so I don't fuck up her lies.

[Cutz]

I will not listen to such disparaging slime-throwing at a pioneer of the trans-racial movement! You're all bigots! As soon as our movement is as big as the LGBT community, we're going to take over a month and make you all regret how you persecuted the founders of our movement!

#IDon'tActuallyUseTwitter

[HairOfTheDog]

There are serious issues at hand here Cutz.

Please leave the smart-assery and base-level mockery at the door.

That type of tomfoolery has no place at Mock.

Thank you,
HOTD

#IwishIhadsomecurlyfries.

[cannongal]

I don't know why people can't seem to get that ^^^. She was paid to lecture people on the struggles of growing up as a black girl and used herself as an example.

I also thought her parents were assholes at first, but I'm not sure now what I would do if I was confronted with the questions about her ethnicity. Especially if I was a good parent and she estranged herself from me just so I don't fuck up her lies.

How long has she been working for the NAACP?

What I don't get about this whole situation is the parents. Why come out about it now? I saw in an interview, where they said that Rachel 'estranged herself' from her parents so that nobody would know she had white parents.

Well, if they knew she's been running this con for a while, why not say something about it last year, or when ever she first started. They kept quiet, as well as the 'brother' going along with her scheme until now.

I call foul on the parents, there's an underlying reason they exposed her.