POLICE BRUTALITY CASES: WALTER SCOTT MURDER & MORE

[Blindgreed1]

I understand people protesting unwarranted violence by police against community members (whether those community members be children or adults, of any color). It true, I support people pushing for change and a better system (improved candidate screening, training, monitoring, accountability...) to reduce unwarranted police brutality as much as possible.

I also understand people choosing to work with cancer patients, people organizing and participating in cancer research fund-raisers, people volunteering at children's hospitals and the Make A Dream Foundation. It's true, I support people pushing for change and a better system (earlier detection, better understanding of the causes, better and more effective treatment options...) to reduce the number of cancer deaths as much as possible.

The absurdity of your comparisons and your tunnel vision when your interest obviously lies more with being seen as "right" than with the subject matter at hand is definitely funny to me, Gunnar. What's not funny is the subject matter itself.

So, whether one considers your limitations funny or sad, you've made it clear that you are unable to understand how the same person can support different strategies for reducing deaths at the hands of cops, reducing death as a result of cancer, (and for that matter -- reducing death as a result of domestic violence, reducing deaths as a result of hunger, reducing deaths as a result of gun negligence, etc...). No matter your limitations, it's true Gunnar -- not everybody is as one-dimensional as you've positioned yourself to be.

I base my opinions on facts HoTD, not on speculation or whichever way the media is directing the wind on any particular day. I reserve judgement until I have all the facts or at least enough to make an educated decision. If you want to call that tunnel vision, or absurd, or even one dimensional then it's your choice to do so. I'm just not one who will jump to conclusions as easily as you do.

[HairOfTheDog]

This argument, as well as HoTD's is based on supposition and speculation that this was a race crime. There have been no facts presented in this case that prove one way or another that this wasn't simply an idiot with a badge who murdered an innocent man and tried to cover his ass. If those facts are presented and proven, then by all means protest. Until that happens (or doesn't) it's mob rules mentality no matter how you slice it. Right now its just a bad thing that happened to an innocent man. Take the color out of it guys so you can see more clearly.

Jesus, you're very very slow on the uptake here, Gunnar.

I haven't supposed anywhere that this is a race crime. In fact, I've stated that it may not be at all, in my very first post in this thread.

Whether there is a racial component to this presently inexplicable murder is a question that will be asked and investigated. It may turn out that Slager is one of those cops who thinks black people are dispensable. It may turn out that he has no such thoughts in regards to blacks and instead is a power/control freak who loses his shit whenever anybody disobeys his orders and lost it all the way with Walter Scott. Or, maybe Slager's training (or lack thereof) led him to believe that he should fire at people who ran when pulled over by police. Those are all questions that bear asking, along with many others. IMO.

The only one who can't see clearly, to the point of being actively or incidentally deceptive, is you Gunnar.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm just not one who will jump to conclusions as easily as you do.

If you can find me one conclusion I've jumped to in this case, please post it.

You won't find it, so I'll look forward to an analogy about starving children in Africa, or some equally inapplicable diversionary bullshit from you next.

[Blindgreed1]

This argument, as well as HoTD's is based on supposition and speculation that this was a race crime. There have been no facts presented in this case that prove one way or another that this wasn't simply an idiot with a badge who murdered an innocent man and tried to cover his ass. If those facts are presented and proven, then by all means protest. Until that happens (or doesn't) it's mob rules mentality no matter how you slice it. Right now its just a bad thing that happened to an innocent man. Take the color out of it guys so you can see more clearly.

Jesus, you're very very slow on the uptake here, Gunnar.

I haven't supposed anywhere that this is a race crime. In fact, I've stated that it may not be at all, in my very first post in this thread.

Whether there is a racial component to this presently inexplicable murder is a question that will be asked and investigated. It may turn out that Slager is one of those cops who thinks black people are dispensable. It may turn out that he has no such thoughts in regards to blacks and instead is a power/control freak who loses his shit whenever anybody disobeyed his orders and who lost it all the way with Walter Scott. Or, maybe Slager's training (or lack thereof) lead him to believe that he should fire at people who ran when pulled over by police. Those are all questions that bear asking, along with many others. IMO.

The only one who can't see clearly, to the point of being actively or incidentally deceptive, is you Gunnar.

Until those questions are answered it's just a bad thing that happened to an innocent man pending an investigation.

[sally]

Or, maybe Slager's training (or lack thereof) lead him to believe that he should fire at people who ran when pulled over by police.

From watching the videos that would be my guess. He panicked and didn't have control over himself. I think it was just simply a trigger happy lack of composure.

If it was a white guy running, would he have done the same thing? Who knows unless he admits it.

[Duchess]

Walter didn't pull a gun or act threatening in any manner as far as I can see and that honky shot 'em dead. Poor Walter. He was running away.

[Jimbone]

We interrupt this thread to bring you a man being beaten by police following a horse chase. Yes. A horse chase. Action turns up around 50 seconds.

[Duchess]

That guy does not ride regularly, if he ever has before at all.

The cops didn't care they were being filmed so that leads me to believe this wasn't their first rodeo with police brutality.

[HairOfTheDog]

Or, maybe Slager's training (or lack thereof) lead him to believe that he should fire at people who ran when pulled over by police.

From watching the videos that would be my guess. He panicked and didn't have control over himself. I think it was just simply a trigger happy lack of composure.

If it was a white guy running, would he have done the same thing? Who knows unless he admits it.

Could be.

Maybe Slager will provide honest insight into why he murdered Walter Scott. Or, maybe he'll claim (honestly or falsely) that it was just a fatal natural reaction, as you tend to believe at this point.

The North Charleston police department is under investigation by the DOJ. If the DOJ investigators find texts and/or emails by Slager like they have in other recent investigations -- referring to blacks as monkeys and niggers who deserve to be put down and such -- those texts and/or emails, in place of or in addition to an admission of racial bias from Slager, could be positioned as a hate crime motive by prosecutors.

Anyway, until there are more details from the investigation, I'm enjoying reading the opinions and speculation.

[Blindgreed1]

We interrupt this thread to bring you a man being beaten by police following a horse chase. Yes. A horse chase. Action turns up around 50 seconds.

False alarm. That was a white man being beaten by white cops. Doesn't fit the profile.

[Duchess]

The cover of Time -

[Duchess]

We interrupt this thread to bring you a man being beaten by police following a horse chase.

It's being reported that 10 deputies have been put on leave due to the video of them beating a suspect.

[username]

I think that Time cover is designed to sell magazines and totally NOT helpful to the discussion.

Unless/until they prove the cop was a racist, that's just unnecessarily provocative and totally exploits the shooting.

Shame. Poor journalism.

[Jimbone]

It's being reported that 10 deputies have been put on leave due to the video of them beating a suspect.

It looked like the whole duty shift showed up to the hillside and beat the tar out of the guy!

[Jimbone]

I think that Time cover is designed to sell magazines and totally NOT helpful to the discussion.

Unless/until they prove the cop was a racist, that's just unnecessarily provocative and totally exploits the shooting.

I know, right? The media usually NEVER does that!



Time is great, they were the same ones who darkened up OJ's face to make him more black. 20 years one, they're still using race to try and sell magazines! +1 for being consistent!

[HairOfTheDog]

It's being reported that 10 deputies have been put on leave due to the video of them beating a suspect.

Jesus Christ. I just had a chance to watch the video.

That's a gang beating right there. The gang being the cops. 30 years after Rodney King and a few years after Kelly Thomas and that shit is still happening.

I think that all of those fuckers deserve to be fired, at minimum, based on their actions in the video alone.

There will be protests and there should be, IMO.

[Duchess]

I think that all of those fuckers deserve to be fired, at minimum, based on their actions in the video alone.

Yup, I agree. They acted like a gang of thugs and deserve to be treated as such.

You know how we ended up having to have one thread dedicated to public shootings because there are so many of them? Should we have one for police brutality? The police beating I referenced up thread has resulted in that man's death and then Anonymous threatened the NJ police and they shut down their website. There is video of them beating that man while he is out cold on the ground.

[HairOfTheDog]

You know how we ended up having to have one thread dedicated to public shootings because there are so many of them? Should we have one for police brutality?

It's a good idea.

I think the best way to have a catch-all thread for police brutality cases moving forward is to change this thread's title; there are three different cases already being covered in here.

I don't think Six would mind, so I'll do that now.

Later, I'll post the links to past cases of police brutality covered in separate threads, for reference.



Hey Gunnar: I hope you can eventually get comfortable with the fact that we're gonna continue to discuss, opine, and speculate in regards to alleged and confirmed cases of police brutality. It's awful imagining you like this all the time --> Just awful.

[Duchess]

there are three different cases already being covered in here.

Guilty.

I know you weren't singling me out, I'm just acknowledging my guilt. It's very difficult for me to stay on track when other things come to mind.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ Hey, I'm glad different cases are being discussed and compared in this thread. No problem at all; just a quick title change.

So, I think this might be the NJ case you were talking about from last week? It's effin' unbelievable.

THE DEATH OF PHILLIP WHITE, NEW JERSEY



There's another video that shows one of the officers trying to force the witness to turn over his cell phone with the video. That citizen apparently knew his rights and chose to keep his property containing the public recording in his possession. He later turned it over to the media.



^ Phillip White, shown in the video above being beaten by police and attacked by a police dog upon command of the responding officers, died on the way to the hospital. His death and the conduct of the officers is under investigation.

Ref: http://www.nj.com/cumberland/index.ssf/2..._died.html