RIGHT TO DIE

[aussiefriend]

Hells bells Aussie. When you come on here and act like you know everything medical and explain it to us like we're idiots, you're going to get a snarky response. Most of us here have lived a good long time and know a thing or two about life. Except Duchess. She's just a baby.

I DO NOT know everything medical, far from it. I know some stuff in my area of specialty but I am not a consultant. I just fucking told you, I had not even heard of the term 'death rattle' until that day I heard it.

I tried to explain it to you in case you hadn't heard it either. I was being kind, you were being a bitch. I explain shit in my job all the fucking time.

[Blindgreed1]

Hells bells Aussie. When you come on here and act like you know everything medical and explain it to us like we're idiots, you're going to get a snarky response. Most of us here have lived a good long time and know a thing or two about life. Except Duchess. She's just a baby.

I DO NOT know everything medical, far from it. I know some stuff in my area of specialty but I am not a consultant. I just fucking told you, I had not even heard of the term 'death rattle' until that day I heard it.

I tried to explain it to you in case you hadn't heard it either. I was being kind, you were being a bitch. I explain shit in my job all the fucking time.

Relax Aussie, and go clean your bedroom you fucking slob.

[ramseycat]

Do you call it something else there Aussie? Maybe death rattle is an American term. It's kind of crass. Death rattle. I hope I don't have to hear it again for a long time.

[aussiefriend]

No, it's called death rattle, I just never heard of it or heard it. The guy had pancreatic cancer around the same time that Patrick Swayzee had it. I don't want that rattle either, just dope me up.

[HairOfTheDog]

I remember as a kid hearing Dr. Jack Kevorkian referred to as a serial killer and a monster. As an adult, I have a very different perception of the man.

Still waiting to see if Governor Brown passes California's End of Life Options Act into law.

These are the safeguards put in place to ensure that the law is not abused by people looking to prematurely rid themselves of a loved one or by patients with lifelong suicidal ideology.

1. Patients would have to make two oral requests for the prescription, two weeks apart, and one in writing.

2. Two doctors would have to certify that the patient is likely to die within six months. The written request must be made in front of witnesses who are asked to certify that the patient is of sound mind and is not being coerced.

[Duchess]

Rational human beings who are very sick deserve that luxury.

[Maggot]

What effect will this have on life insurance policies? Oh yeah, moonbeam is doing it so that probably never crossed his eggshell mind.

[HairOfTheDog]

The people who use Right to Die laws are terminally ill and have at least two medical professionals certifying that their prognosis is death within 6 months. In states that already have such laws on the books, the COD is the illness/disease, not suicide.

Brittany Maynard, for example, died of brain cancer. Her life insurance would either kick in for her survivors just as if she'd died a couple of months, or hours, or days later without the assistance of medication (or possibly kick in 6 months after her death).

So, the impact to life insurance companies would be minimal, I imagine. If someone applies for life insurance after they're diagnosed terminally ill, they're gonna have a harder time getting it than others (regardless as to whether Right to Die laws are in place). But, health insurance companies probably save a fair amount of money in hospital stays and life support when terminally ill patients choose to end their lives before all of their organs eventually shutdown.

[Maggot]

do you think that would be written into the law?

[HairOfTheDog]

The requirements/prohibitions for health and life insurance providers in relation to Right to Die are specified in the bill (SB128) passed by the California Congress.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces...20160SB128

Moonbeam has not indicated whether he will sign the bill into law or veto it.

[Jimbone]

In many cases even people who have life insurance and commit suicide get their benefit, providing they've exceeded the exclusion period for not paying out (typically two years from policy date).

As HotD pointed out, terminally ill patients would have a hard time getting life insurance anyway.

I'm certain the insurance companies will have their bases covered. They are one of the strongest lobbying groups in the country.

[Maggot]

The requirements/prohibitions for health and life insurance providers in relation to Right to Die are specified in the bill (SB128) passed by the California Congress.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces...20160SB128

Moonbeam has not indicated whether he will sign the bill into law or veto it.

I looked through the legislation as it stands now and insurance companies do not have to cover the pill or pills if they for some reason are religiously motivated or morally against the law. All they have to do is mail a notice saying as much when the legislation becomes law or as it stands does not.
In other words an insurance carrier does not have to honor the prescription as long as they provide notice before hand.

[HairOfTheDog]

Private health insurers have that right, of course. They refuse to cover a lot of different medications for all kinds of reasons.

Free market - people can switch health insurers if they get that letter and strongly support (or anticipate needing) such death-inducing medications.

But, the bigger concern is in the opposite direction; that insurance companies won't want to pay for very expensive drugs to treat terminal patients and instead suggest physician-assisted death medications. Like what happened in Oregon. Ref: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

Thus, the safeguards against such practices in the California bill.

[Maggot]

As a nation of laws there will always be someone that figures a way around such things. Many things are great in theory and get muddled when implemented. But I hope all goes well and there are cakes made that say "farewell, we will miss you"

[HairOfTheDog]

Yeah, I agree. New laws always face resistance and attempted work-arounds by some.

The Right to Die / Compassionate Death laws that have been in place for years in a few states seem to have worked out most of the predictable kinks and are functioning as intended.

[Duchess]

I'm not sure why anyone would have a problem with it. It would be a gift to a dying person. No one is going to be allowed to do this in a willy nilly manner, criteria have to be met. It bothers me to think of people suffering needlessly and I don't know why someone who has the privilege of being able to prevent that wouldn't do so.

[Duchess]

Sign the fuckin' bill.

[Maggot]

I don't think I saw any pork in it but that's never visible anyways.

[Duchess]

My previous post was much better than sign the fuckin' bill.

They shouldn't be attaching pork to something like this. It's not a new road for godssake.

[Maggot]

Ya think? But every bill put forth for ratification always ends up with pork. Oink Oink.