TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE

[HairOfTheDog]

Hot D, did I make you think I didn't respect the opinions of others when I commented about Mo? If so, that wasn't my intent. I know I sometimes don't convey what I mean in a clear manner. I wasn't dissing your opinion nor anyone else.

Maybe it's just me, but yeah, it kinda came across like that.

That's not a problem or anything. I just like that many people at Mock care enough to form and share opinions, some more informed than others, about a lot of topics outside their own own personal experiences. I like reading them all.

I know you do too; I just misread your point in this case. Sorry about that.

[crash]

Christians are taught all lies are wrong.

Doesn't stop them fucking doing it now though, does it?

[Duchess]

There's been another terrorist attack. Do I talk about it here or start a new thread? I can remember having a similar question when we began to have public shootings on a weekly basis, now we have one thread dedicated that.

More deaths :(

[username]

Mo, I appreciate you sharing the knowledge you've gained through years of living in the Muslim world.

To me, however, having our government 'slip up' just a bit, by not thoroughly vetting these particular refugees could mean hundreds or thousands of Americans die needlessly.

I think most Americans care about that.

My wife and I actually spoke about this just this morning. We are in agreement that we should welcome true refugees with open arms.

As Pappy said though, it just needs to be done in an intelligent manner.

You're a fucking idiot. Did you not read Mo's post and the hoops refugees already have to go through to get here? We're more at risk of home grown terrorists or others that get into the country by other means than we are the refugees. But go ahead and stay stupid, ding bot.

[Midwest Spy]

Mo, I appreciate you sharing the knowledge you've gained through years of living in the Muslim world.

To me, however, having our government 'slip up' just a bit, by not thoroughly vetting these particular refugees could mean hundreds or thousands of Americans die needlessly.

I think most Americans care about that.

My wife and I actually spoke about this just this morning. We are in agreement that we should welcome true refugees with open arms.

As Pappy said though, it just needs to be done in an intelligent manner.

You're a fucking idiot. Did you not read Mo's post and the hoops refugees already have to go through to get here? We're more at risk of home grown terrorists or others that get into the country by other means than we are the refugees. But go ahead and stay stupid, ding bot.

To quote the great Bobby Boucher:

"It's like my mama always says, 'better safe than sorry'."

[afraidforallofus]

Just caught up on 8 pages of (mainly) religious fantasy. Only two points to comment on.

1. Christians take responsibility for all the bad shit in their lives, but thank God for all the good shit

2. All the Paris terrorists were French and Belgian nationals, so Syrian refugees aren't the issue

[Maggot]

When you add the home grown terrorist with the out of town ones is that a dbl threat?

[username]

When you add the home grown terrorist with the out of town ones is that a dbl threat?

Is this the IQ thread?

Since people are getting radicalized from France, England, and right here in the old U.S of A, I think our risks are higher with those peeps as opposed to the ones waiting in line and going through the refugee vetting process. Refusing to take refugees isn't going to make us safer. The only thing that's going to make us safer is crushing the organization (although there will always be new recruits willing to take up the cause). We'd probably be safer if we took a Switzerland type approach and just buried our heads. Obviously they most want to target the assholes that keep dropping bombs on their heads.

[Maggot]

But doesn't having both double the terrorist incident percentage. Is it wise to increase the odds? When the government says they want to do something "better" does it actually mean it really is better? Or are band aids really made that big?
I would rather be more cautious or at least treat all immigrants the same. What is America, the worlds soup kitchen?

[afraidforallofus]

Hey, you could be like us. We turn the boats around. If one gets through, the refugees are locked in concentration camps on non-Australian Pacific islands. It makes me ashamed..........

Imagine being an "ordinary" Muslim. You'd feel that everyone hates you, you'd be scared of getting assaulted, you'd feel utterly marginalised. How can we expect them to be on "our" side? If every one of us smiled at a Muslim today, or, heaven forbid, actually SPOKE to one, we could make a tiny bit of difference

[Maggot]

Its better than drowning in the ocean. Why don't you adopt a family then?

[HairOfTheDog]

There's been another terrorist attack. Do I talk about it here or start a new thread? I can remember having a similar question when we began to have public shootings on a weekly basis, now we have one thread dedicated that.

More deaths :(

I asked myself the same question; it was a little depressing. I edited this thread title to be inclusive of other terrorist attacks (like we did for the police brutality thread). 21 dead in today's terrorist attack at the hotel in Mali. RIP.

Snip:


Al Mourabitoun, an Islamist militant group, claimed it was jointly responsible for the attack, according to Mauritanian news agency Al Akhbar. The group announced it carried out the attack with al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), the news agency reported.

Al Mourabitoun said the attack was carried out in retaliation for government aggression in northern Mali, Al Akhbar reported. The group also demanded the release of prisoners in France.

Algerian jihadist and the leader of the group, Mokhtar Belmokhtar, is "probably" behind the attack, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said in an interview on France's TF1, but the French are not "entirely sure."

Belmokhtar was the target of a June U.S. airstrike in Libya. Libyan officials said he had been killed but U.S. officials never confirmed his death publicly.

Full story: http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/africa/mal...index.html

[pyropappy]

I have a question for the women here; how do you feel about living under Sharia law?

A recent poll in Britain says 40% of Muslims in the UK support Sharia being introduced into parts of the UK.

Telegraph article

Muslims in America are trying to do the same thing. Are you prepared to become your father's or husband's property?

[Mohammed]

Now that is where I'm with you and we should never let happen in our own societies!

Don't get me wrong, I am living since many years in Muslim dominated countries, some are absolutely fun, like Indonesia and Malaysia, but even there you find some radicals as we all know from the Bali incident or along the Thai - Malay border, and then some are more hardcore, like now here in Yemen. However, even here I was running the only proper Bar successfully as a foreigner and it was ok, until all the expats where evacuated.

Before me and my girls were driving and moving across the country freely and it was excellent. The locals here are extremely hospitable to foreigners and you are incredibly welcome anywhere you move. Now there is a huge difference. Aden, Taiz, Hadramaut is fucked up with Daesh and Al Qaeda all over the place. My girls left the country perfectly on time in great comfort 10 days before the shit hit the fan here. Will they come back here? Hell no, and my plan is that this is the last Muslim run country we will ever live in. I don't want to be woken up again at 4am in the mornings by their loudspeakers and I want to sit at a bar, watching the world move by while having decently priced beer and bratwurst.

However, being here and seeing the differences, one thing is for sure, all this radical element doesn't come from "being a Muslim" but simply from the political side. It is introduced from those ruling from above, which then create also their enforcers, especially among the young male population, and the rest of the population simply will have to follow, or else they will suffer. And after some time, that life style becomes the excepted daily norm. Such as that Burkha. Cover up the women, take away their powers basically, and you already have taken care of 50% of the population. It's not in the Quran, it is a political, crowd controlling move. Only 10 years ago the women here were walking around freely. Kabul, Tehran, the same in the past.

And one, or actually, THE place that does a lot for this radical move, is Saudi Arabia. I mean just look at them, the worst of the lot. One side they go all holy and with their women and human rights, and yet on the other, if anybody experienced Saudi men together, they are absolutely disgusting and revolting, and more so, it's a total hypocracy. And yet, total support by the US and just received the biggest arms deal in history from you.

They are the ones that started their sponsored Mosques in Chechnya in 2000, creating a large amount of young radical fighters and a big chasm between the old and young population, and it was those young men from Chechnya who played an all important role in the strong military side and rise of Daesh.

So don't worry about the normal Muslim, you got plenty of those in the States already, and especially the middle aged guy with a family, as he will simply just want to feed his loved ones.

That also brings up the point why Daesh and Al Qaeda gain so many followers among the young guys in a place like Yemen. It's not because all young Muslims want to die for their believe, but they don't see any future. No jobs, no income, and nobody who can tell them what tomorrow will bring. In comes Al Qaeda, giving them cash, a sense of self worth, pride, basically anything a job will do, and there you go.

Now in the West the interesting part is that instead of some sort of Muslim slum population, it is quite well educated basically normal young folks who seem to fall for Daesh. Like that girl who exploded herself in Paris were her friends are saying that just a month ago she was a drinking and easy going party chick, never having looked at the Quran in her life. So you wonder.

Obviously the media team behind Daesh knows very well what they are doing, and are doing it very well! I heard most of them speak German.

So all I'm saying, don't put all of them into one bag labelled "Muslims". Then you simply just become a mini Hitler. There is a huge difference among the radicals and the other 90%, and at least from my side, it's not even that difficult to spot.

[Mohammed]

Another well written article.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...41146.html

[Duchess]

I have a question for the women here; how do you feel about living under Sharia law?

A recent poll in Britain says 40% of Muslims in the UK support Sharia being introduced into parts of the UK.

Telegraph article

Muslims in America are trying to do the same thing. Are you prepared to become your father's or husband's property?

That will never happen here. It just won't. Surely you know that, Pappy.

[Mohammed]

That is true! Why? Because F.U. and Six will totally fuck them up with some Military planning help from MS.

Maggot will just watch the whole spectacle while giggling away into his can of root beer.

[F.U.]

I say fuck their women hating/abusing ways. Touch my girls, I dare them.

[Mohammed]

See what I mean, awesome!

It even got a Bayonette in front. That will come in handy for the Shwarma!

[Duchess]

I don't want to die & I don't want to have to fight to live. I only want to smoke a little weed and ride my horses. I don't bother anyone & I wouldn't ask anything of anyone other than to be left alone. I abhor all this violence, it sickens me.