Bad guys beware

[HairOfTheDog]

I think a better solution would be a trained, armed security guard and a sign that says armed security on the premises. Along with better monitoring of who comes and goes, gates locked and the presence of a cop in the parking lot. I see cops sitting around all the time with their thumbs up their ass, there shouldn't be any reason they can't be in front of the schools. That would make me feel more comfortable for my child's safety than just allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry to pack heat at the school.

Yeah, me too.

I don't object to the sign in the OP; it might deter a would-be school shooter and probably wouldn't attract any. It's kind of like a 'beware of dog' sign on a fence or alarm sticker on a car. Meh.

I don't necessarily object to teachers who are carefully screened / trained to conceal carry at school though, if they want.

But, teachers should be focused on teaching and, in the event of a threat, helping their students to follow safety protocols. I'd rather not see teachers made responsible for running around looking to shoot down armed assailants. I'd rather see the type of security you suggested; dedicated/professional security designed to minimize the chances of the students or teachers being confronted by a would-be shooter in the first place.

[Duchess]

There's no reason a female teacher couldn't do the job.

I agree. I believe women are as capable as men. I just don't think it's a good idea to make them responsible for the security of their class/s.

[sally]

At my son's high school they already have a person who sits at both the back entrance and front entrance all day to check who comes and goes, that's their job. If they were armed and trained that would be even better and could have prevented Sandy Hook. I'd be happy with all schools doing that, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with the teachers all being armed.

[sally]

Cudos to the school system for enacting this. COmmon sense solution to a current problem

Telling the entire school staff that they can come to school armed as long as they take a training course and fill out an application is not a common sense solution. Appointing trained people with strict background checks whose only job will be to solely protect the school is a common sense solution.

[Maggot]

Cudos to the school system for enacting this. COmmon sense solution to a current problem

Telling the entire school staff that they can come to school armed as long as they take a training course and fill out an application is not a common sense solution. Appointing trained people with strict background checks whose only job will be to solely protect the school is a common sense solution.

I would imagine someone with common sense would be chosen, but you're right, that's hard to find. And all it takes is the guy at the entrance getting taken out first. Like when you always pick the biggest person to take out in a fight.
FU, Six,Me and maybe a few others could do it but not You, Duchess,BH or HOTD and a few others. FAQTOO could probably handle it and a few more. Or it would come down to who could keep their mouth shut and still hit a target.

[blueberryhill]

Golly, I hate to post on the all guys' thread, but here goes..

I don't think any good will come from this and don't think it is the solution. The staff will probably end up killing each other especially when they find out the English teacher's husband is sleeping with the Math teacher....

I would think making it more difficult to enter and exit schools, requiring X-ray machines, etc. would be more effective for the overall safety and security of students and staff. They might have to start school earlier, but require everyone, no exceptions, go through security station.....

That entire killing each other reminds me of 5 years ago when Iowa went from may issue to shall issue. The nay sayers said there will be blood running in the streets. Road rage will turn into shoot outs, disputes over parking spots will turn into the OK Corral. They were wrong, none of this has happened. Just because they have a gun on them doesn't mean they will loose their minds and start shooting people.
As far as the metal detectors go, they are useless. They will only stop the honest person. The person hell bent on killing will rush through, letting the alarm go off and ignore it while they let the sound of their gat drown it out.
Armed teachers in school is the answer !

I will have to disagree...armed teachers will cause more deaths of innocents IMO...I don't think I need to throw out all the possible scenarios. Have you talked to teachers about this. They don't (with some exceptions) want to carry firearms, they don't want this responsibility....That teacher holding a firearm would be the first victim of the shooter. These mass shooters get into the school and use the element of surprise; there is no time to obtain and get into position because most people will freeze not believing what they see.....

I see building "safe" rooms like we do in states plagued by tornadoes.
Right now in Kansas (where I plan to move) big sigh, they are building safe rooms in all homes without basements....I was thinking a large safe room, say the size of a gym, where everyone could access from emergency exit in the classroom in minimum time...This would be backup to getting through school's security station.

Each school should have a security station. You don't have to use the X-ray machine, but I would use that in addition to a armed guard at all exits...expensive, yes, maybe, schools could reach out to volunteers or other resources...Also, by law you have to have X number of exits in case of fire, etc...you can exit, but not enter so that would mean having one security station at the single entry to school.

I just don't believe arming everyone should be the norm even in this climate of death by gunfire....We need to think how we can become a more civilized society, and go to and from without fear of being shot in the act of going to school, the movies, shopping in the mall, driving on the freeway, etc..

One of my friend's husband was (now retired) a detective in Chicago...One of his observations and which is really just common sense is that very often the bad guy can overcome a woman (no, this is not sexist, just a biological fact) who has access to a weapon. The weapon, be it a gun, knife, etc., is almost always turned against that person.

None of this is about taking anyone's guns away from them. It is about making this country more peaceful and civil...or we will for sure destroy our civilization as we know it and ultimately be the death of mankind....

[HairOfTheDog]

Cudos to the school system for enacting this. COmmon sense solution to a current problem

Telling the entire school staff that they can come to school armed as long as they take a training course and fill out an application is not a common sense solution. Appointing trained people with strict background checks whose only job will be to solely protect the school is a common sense solution.

I would imagine someone with common sense would be chosen, but you're right, that's hard to find. And all it takes is the guy at the entrance getting taken out first. Like when you always pick the biggest person to take out in a fight.
FU, Six,Me and maybe a few others could do it but not You, Duchess,BH or HOTD and a few others. FAQTOO could probably handle it and a few more. Or it would come down to who could keep their mouth shut and still hit a target.

I would trust myself to calmly and accurately assess and handle a crisis/threat situation more than I would you, Barney Fife, gun or no gun.

But, as I said, I have no problem with qualified teachers carrying on the job. Their primary responsibility should be teaching and focusing on their students, not security detail. They might be able to provide a second line of defense if the dedicated security was taken out, however.

[sally]

Cudos to the school system for enacting this. COmmon sense solution to a current problem

Telling the entire school staff that they can come to school armed as long as they take a training course and fill out an application is not a common sense solution. Appointing trained people with strict background checks whose only job will be to solely protect the school is a common sense solution.

I would imagine someone with common sense would be chosen, but you're right, that's hard to find. And all it takes is the guy at the entrance getting taken out first. Like when you always pick the biggest person to take out in a fight.
FU, Six,Me and maybe a few others could do it but not You, Duchess,BH or HOTD and a few others. FAQTOO could probably handle it and a few more. Or it would come down to who could keep their mouth shut and still hit a target.

You can make up all the scenarios you want, but first of all I don't trust every teacher to carry, even with training. I'd feel safer trusting just a select few who are dedicated security for the school along with other security measurements rather than just relying on random, armed school teachers. We don't need kindergarten teachers to pack heat, we need schools to do a better job keeping the nuts out.

[sally]

And then of course if teachers are really adamant about bringing their guns to school there is that whole "don't ask, don't tell" thing.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Cudos to the school system for enacting this. COmmon sense solution to a current problem

Telling the entire school staff that they can come to school armed as long as they take a training course and fill out an application is not a common sense solution. Appointing trained people with strict background checks whose only job will be to solely protect the school is a common sense solution.

In the interest of being clear, I never said giving all the teachers permission to carry would be the right thing to do. Obviously they should be carefully screened and trained. I knew a lot of teachers I would not even want my kids around, much less armed.

[Midwest Spy]

Cudos to the school system for enacting this. COmmon sense solution to a current problem

Telling the entire school staff that they can come to school armed as long as they take a training course and fill out an application is not a common sense solution. Appointing trained people with strict background checks whose only job will be to solely protect the school is a common sense solution.

In the interest of being clear, I never said giving all the teachers permission to carry would be the right thing to do. Obviously they should be carefully screened and trained. I knew a lot of teachers I would not even want my kids around, much less armed.

This is a very slippery slope.

I've stated before that I'm a proponent of arming teachers, however, how do we select those that we deem trustworthy?

How about just the principal? At our elementary school, the principal is a big hulking guy, about 50, that I would trust with a gun at all times.

If there are guns in the school though, and someone misplaces theirs or has it stolen and it leads to someone's death, there'll be more hell to pay.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I don't know what the selection and training criteria are or would be, would have to think on that some to come up with some ideas. I would imagine SOmeone did some homework before signing off on this

[sally]

I knew a lot of teachers I would not even want my kids around, much less armed.

Yeah so do I, and yet they're still qualified to be teachers. Under the policy approved in August for Okay, employees who wish to carry firearms must receive training and Board of Education approval. So pretty much any teacher can do it. I don't think promoting it and making it attainable for all teachers is a good idea. The more people you have to trust the more unsafe the environment becomes. I'd feel safer with just a select few.

[Maggot]

Here's your sign.

[sally]

I'm all for signs that deter criminals and I'm not the sign Nazi or anything, but I still think a simple sign that said "armed security on the premises" would suffice.

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[HairOfTheDog]

I don't have any issues with The sign.

The positions and qualifications of the 'certain staff members' referenced in the sign, assuming there are any, is of more interest to me than the sign itself.