Trump for president

[Maggot]

It looks like Trump has secured the GOP nomination.

[HairOfTheDog]

It looks like Trump has secured the GOP nomination.

Yep, it's a reality. A surreal one, for me.

I was really hoping one or two other Republicans would stay in the race and we'd get to see a contested convention in action.

Bernie's gaining on Hillary in California and there's a campaign underway to oust Debbie Wasserman Schultz from the DNC chairmanship. So, it's still possible that the Democratic convention could be contested (though I don't think it's likely).

Clinton won't debate Bernie ahead of California. So, Bernie challenged Trump to a debate. Trump said he would do it for $10 million towards charity. Bernie replied, "game on". That would be very interesting. However, I think Trump will back out. Bernie's not vulnerable when it comes to integrity, consistency, and personal issues. And, Bernie has no problem calling Trump out harshly and navigating back to the issues. Bernie has nothing to lose and a lot to gain from taking on Trump ahead of California. But, it would be risky for Trump. I really hope it happens.

[Duchess]

Clinton won't debate Bernie ahead of California. So, Bernie challenged Trump to a debate. Trump said he would do it for $10 million towards charity. Bernie replied, "game on". That would be very interesting. However, I think Trump will back out.

Fuckface backed out as you predicted.

Donald Trump hit the buzzer on the 'debate of the century' Friday after teasing about going one-on-one with Bernie Sanders for days, saying he didn't want to take on a 'second place finisher.'

The extraordinary turnaround after the idea of a Trump-Bernie face off captivated cable television and appeared to become a live possibility – with networks and TV personalities trying to get in on the act and some even offering charity contributions to try to pull it off.

Sanders released a statement Friday afternoon saying two TV networks had expressed interest – but Trump pulled the plug within minutes.

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[F.U.]

Clinton won't debate Bernie ahead of California. So, Bernie challenged Trump to a debate. Trump said he would do it for $10 million towards charity. Bernie replied, "game on". That would be very interesting. However, I think Trump will back out.

Fuckface backed out as you predicted.

Donald Trump hit the buzzer on the 'debate of the century' Friday after teasing about going one-on-one with Bernie Sanders for days, saying he didn't want to take on a 'second place finisher.'

The extraordinary turnaround after the idea of a Trump-Bernie face off captivated cable television and appeared to become a live possibility – with networks and TV personalities trying to get in on the act and some even offering charity contributions to try to pull it off.

Sanders released a statement Friday afternoon saying two TV networks had expressed interest – but Trump pulled the plug within minutes.

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I'm glad he did. I would hate to see the Big D give that old fucker a heart attack when he ripped him a new one. Probably in the old fuckers best interest.



OK, I hope you can see I was just stirring the pot with thaaaaat comment. I know how most of my shit stirring goes right over your pretty head.

[Duchess]

OK, I hope you can see I was just stirring the pot with thaaaaat comment. I know how most of my shit stirring goes right over your pretty head.

I didn't scroll down far enough to see that, it wasn't until I quoted you and was ready to let 'er rip that I saw it.

[Duchess]

I think Trump backed out of debating Bernie because he knows it would have shown just how lacking he actually is. If he thought he'd do good he would have debated Bernie and won and then crowed about it for days. He won't be able to get out of debating Hillary and she will wipe the floor with his junky ass. I can hardly wait.

[Maggot]

I don't know, Bernie has some pretty whacky ideas. He has for a long time. This is what happens to old hippies sometimes, America is in a financial hole now because of crazy spending and allowing anyone to get credit for a house, car, anything, I don't blame the banks I blame the government for practically forcing the banks to let them get the credit to spur the economy. It's happening again and I wonder why we have not learned.
Venezuela and Puerto Rico is an example of people not paying their debt and filing for bankruptcy. Someone has to pay it. Bernie and Hillary would try and put out the fire with gasoline and not actually address the problem, if the feds were smart they would bump the prime rate to 8% before its to late.
Trump knows this but one term won't fix it.

[Duchess]

Maggottyboo, he makes me crazy, absolutely fuckin' bonkers. I don't like him, not even a little bit and for a variety of reasons. I'm horrified that there is a chance he could be our President. He brings out the worst in me and yet, I read what he has to say instead of simply ignoring him. I read and I foam at the mouth like a rabid animal.

[HairOfTheDog]

It was predictable that Trump would flip flop three or four times about it before he finally said no to a Sanders debate.

Sanders has zero problem accurately summing up Trump in one or two sentences - in response to Trump kissing his ass or in response to Trump attempting to brand him negatively, doesn't matter which - and forcing the conversation back to the issues and the people. Trump hasn't shown any ability to move away from bragging about himself and branding his opponents long enough to delve into the issues in any of the debates. Trump is wise not to debate Bernie, but I sure would have loved to see it go down.

The funniest part of Trump's play on this one is his "final answer". He claims that he'd love to debate Bernie, BUT "it wouldn't be appropriate." Haha. All of a sudden Donald Trump cares about political correctness above all else.

Anyway, if being an honest, committed, consistent, elected, independent public servant for decades -- one who's managed to affect change and bring people into the political process on a massive scale while campaigning (self-funded) all over the country in his 70s -- is an example of how "old hippies" go "whacky", this country could use a lot more whacky old hippies. It's not an accurate characterization if one is objective, but I can see how narrow-minded Tea Party types who claim to be independent would go there. Obviously, Bernie Sanders and his supporters don't care one bit about such transparent branding and confirmation-bias 101 attempts though; I wouldn't either.

Anyway, Bernie Sanders and his supporters will be a huge factor in the outcome of this presidential race, with or without a Trump debate. Clinton and Trump are both smart enough to realize that fact. I'm very anxious to watch it all play out.

[Maggot]

I hope Bernie stays in the race, right up to the convention and Trump would be smart to pick Kasich as a V.P.

[HairOfTheDog]

Bernie has already made it clear that he's staying in the race until the convention. There's no reason to doubt it.

And, Kasich has made it clear that he is absolutely not interested in being Trump's V.P., or anybody else's V.P. I could see that possibly changing, but I don't think it's likely.

We'll see.

[blueberryhill]

I don't know, Bernie has some pretty whacky ideas. He has for a long time. This is what happens to old hippies sometimes, America is in a financial hole now because of crazy spending and allowing anyone to get credit for a house, car, anything, I don't blame the banks I blame the government for practically forcing the banks to let them get the credit to spur the economy. It's happening again and I wonder why we have not learned.
Venezuela and Puerto Rico is an example of people not paying their debt and filing for bankruptcy. Someone has to pay it. Bernie and Hillary would try and put out the fire with gasoline and not actually address the problem, if the feds were smart they would bump the prime rate to 8% before its to late.
Trump knows this but one term won't fix it.

uh.....I am going to assume, you being a man of distinction, that you have some stocks and bonds in your portfolio. If you blame the Government for the recession in 2008, then, you know certainly that it was Bush and co-harts who were in power then... it was Banks and Wall Street and their greed which caused everyone to lose their "shirts." Do you really think the economy is in the hole right now? Low interest rate stimulates the housing market, and financially speaking, raising prime rate to 8% would be a mistake...You do know, that President Obama has reduced the National deficit.......The market is at record highs.....just too bad I lost all my mutual funds, etc....and my house lost one third of its value under the "leadership" of Bush and his henchmen......here in Phoenix, my house will never go back to price we paid for it.......the banks were giving credit to everyone and their brother and suddenly we have a million foreclosures all over Phoenix....everything tanked......When i listed it two years ago, I had to price it $42,000 under what we paid for it and it still wouldn't sell at that price. People wanted me to come down another $10,000. I decided at that point that I would just lease/rent it out as I would never recover the cash we put into house......

[Maggot]

President Obama has reduced the National deficit.

[HairOfTheDog]

President Obama has reduced the National deficit.

Actually, blueberry is right.

For the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2015 the shortfall was $439 billion.

That equates to a decrease of 9%, or $44 billion, over fiscal year 2014 and makes it the lowest deficit since 2007 (in both dollar terms and as a percentage of gross domestic product).

There's a lot of false rhetoric to the contrary, and the deficit is still too high, but the deficit is now indeed lower than it was before Obama took office.

[Maggot]

President Obama has reduced the National deficit.

Actually, blueberry is right.

For the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2015 the shortfall was $439 billion.

That equates to a decrease of 9%, or $44 billion, over fiscal year 2014 and makes it the lowest deficit since 2007 (in both dollar terms and as a percentage of gross domestic product).

There's a lot of false rhetoric to the contrary, and the deficit is still too high, but the deficit is now indeed lower than it was before Obama took office.

Please quote your source.

The Congressional Budget Office is predicting that the national debt will rise by a bit more than half a trillion dollars for the next two years, which will leave the nation with a $19.1 trillion debt by the time President Barack Obama leaves office.

That would be close to a doubling of the debt under Obama — the total national debt was $10.6 trillion when he took office in 2009, and now sits at nearly $18.1 trillion.

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You are right deficit and debt are 2 different things. The debt has risen tremendously but the deficit has declined based on Obamas first year in office. I would not call it a plus though as in the future the next president will inherit Obamas handywork .

+1 for BH and HOTD in defining deficit and debt somewhat.

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't even understand what you're getting at, Mags.

You can find sources for the deficit reduction everywhere. I've read many.

My post to which you responded was not an opinion, or manipulation of numbers, or attempt to differentiate 'debt' from 'defiticit' or anything like that. It was just a statement of fact.

Anyway, here are a few sources verifying for you that today's deficit is the lowest since 2007:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-treasury...1421176136
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/...-obama-era
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/15/news/eco...t-deficit/
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/10/15...evels-2008

[username]

I noted in one of these presidential threads that, even though Hillary supposedly has the numbers behind her, I don't think she's paid near enough attention trying to get Bernie out of the race. I had a Bernie supporter stop by my house the other day, I see signs for him here and there and NOTHING for Clinton. I said in that same post that I think he'll take California. I also noted that the same day I had read that his ideas would increase the debt by $15 trillion or so...even with his proposed tax hikes.

I don't know why the fuck I'm repeating something I already posted but he scares me. I'm pretty sure he's an alien from outer space sent to wreak havoc on the economy.

[Maggot]

I don't even understand what you're getting at, Mags.

You can find sources for the deficit reduction everywhere. I've read many.

My post to which you responded was not an opinion, or manipulation of numbers, or attempt to differentiate 'debt' from 'defiticit' or anything like that. It was just a statement of fact.

Anyway, here are a few sources verifying for you that today's deficit is the lowest since 2007:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-treasury...1421176136
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/...-obama-era
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/15/news/eco...t-deficit/
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/10/15...evels-2008

Deficit and debt are two separate things. I have acknowledged that. Are you saying they are the same? Just wondering.

The deficit is the difference between what the U.S. Government takes in from taxes and other revenues, called receipts, and the amount of money it spends, called outlays. The items included in the deficit are considered either on-budget or off-budget.

You can think of the total debt as accumulated deficits plus accumulated off-budget surpluses. The on-budget deficits require the U.S. Treasury to borrow money to raise cash needed to keep the government operating. It borrows the money by selling securities to the public.

The Treasury securities issued to the public and to the Government Trust Funds then become part of the total debt.

A favorite source for some.

My sin was confusing debt with deficit. I will now trim my toenails as a sacrificial offering for penance. I'm glad you agree with everything else though.

[HairOfTheDog]

Deficit and debt are two separate things. I have acknowledged that. Are you saying they are the same? Just wondering.

Nobody but you even mentioned the debt. Blueberry mentioned the deficit reduction, and I confirmed that her statement was accurate.

So, I didn't understand why you gave us credit for "defining somewhat deficit and debt". Neither of us attempted to do so. NOW I understand that you simply confused the two when you laughed at blueberry's reference to the deficit reduction. No big deal.

Anyway.......I don't know why you're wondering whether I'm saying the deficit and the debt are the same, but it doesn't matter and you can stop wondering. I've long understood clearly the difference between the debt and the deficit and the relationship between the two.

P.s. In reference to your added text, nobody said you committed a sin. Geesh.

[BigMark]

I would imagine the debt to income ratio would be important, and deficit to projected income would also be important. Either way we are pretty much fucked. Kicking the can down the road just to get reelected will only work for so long. Do you think we would have miserable lines at the DMV if the clerks were on commission? Fuck no, they would be giving out coffee and donuts! Government wastes so much money because as long as they are getting paid fuck the taxpayers, it can not go on this way and be sustainable!