THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

[Maggot]

I wonder if Trump decides to get rid of DACA would that be called "unconstitutional"?

[Duchess]

Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship. They already contribute to society and want to be here. I'd rather get rid of some shitty Americans.

[Maggot]

Well soon the ones that are dreamers will become American citizens, That's great!!! It takes what maybe 4-5 years tops?

[Rootilda]

Trump pushed his DHS chief to take steps ‘that were clearly illegal’
04/08/19 11:30 AM

By Steve Benen
A variety of factors likely contributed to Donald Trump forcing Kirstjen Nielsen from her post as Homeland Security secretary, but her acknowledgement of legal constraints clearly didn’t help. The New York Times noted this amazing behind-the-scenes anecdote in which the president urged the cabinet secretary to take actions she could not legally implement.

The president berated Ms. Nielsen regularly, calling her at home early in the mornings to demand that she take action to stop migrants from entering the country, including doing things that were clearly illegal, like blocking all migrants from seeking asylum. She repeatedly noted the limitations imposed on her department by federal laws, court settlements and international obligations.
Those responses only infuriated Mr. Trump further.

At face value, it’s obviously unsettling dynamic: an American president with authoritarian tendencies pushed a top official to implement illegal policies. Trump had a vision for the kind of border agenda he’d like to see implemented, and he grew “infuriated” when told that his administration had to act within the confines of the law.

In the Republican’s mind, legal limits are annoyances and impediments to “tough” policies that the amateur president prefers.
But just as important is the frequency with which we’re confronted with this dynamic. In December, for example, former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson spoke at event in Houston and described the kind of instructions he’d receive from Trump.

“So often, the president would say, ‘Here’s what I want to do and here’s how I want to do it,’” Tillerson explained. “And I would have to say to him, ‘Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law.’”

Or put another way, we now know of more than one cabinet secretary from the Trump administration who was asked to pursue policies that conflict with American laws.

And they’re not alone. Remember this New York Times report from six months ago?

President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation.
The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution. Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power. To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.
The encounter was one of the most blatant examples yet of how Mr. Trump views the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies.

Circling back to our coverage from last year, I suspect much of this is an extension of presidential ignorance and indifference toward governance. Trump has never demonstrated any meaningful understanding – or even interest in – governmental institutions and constraints. He’s more accustomed to a private-sector process in which he barks orders from a lofty perch, at which point employees scramble to follow his instructions.
Trump, convinced he can and should govern like a business leader, has tried to do the same thing from the Oval Office, wholly unaware of the limits of his authority.

No wonder he was “infuriated” when told his ideas are at odds with the American system of government.
The Washington Post added this morning, “President Trump often demands legally dubious solutions to complex problems. When he’s denied, he blames others – including his own staff. That’s really the nub of why he’s pushing out Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.”

[Maggot]

If he didn't care what happens to the country I suppose he could just let them come in waves across the border.

[Blindgreed1]

If he didn't care what happens to the country I suppose he could just let them come in waves across the border.

Every generation has its part of the shit sandwich to eat….every generation also has their interpretation of what shit actually is…..and every generation blames the one before them for handing them the Doogie Hoagie.

[Maggot]

  Doogie Hoagie!   whoa!

[Duchess]

Trump pushed his DHS chief to take steps ‘that were clearly illegal’

He just fired the Director of the Secret Service.

[Duchess]

If he didn't care what happens to the country I suppose he could just let them come in waves across the border.

He's trying to do it for you, not because he cares of our country. He wants to keep his base happy, he needs you all. Don't kid yourself, Maggottyboo. He doesn't give a rats ass about the United States of America.

[Maggot]

I'm not convinced.  I don't think anyone wants them rushing over the border except maybe the dumbos that seem to think it would be great.

[Fry Guy]

Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship. They already contribute to society and want to be here. I'd rather get rid of some shitty Americans.

Some are and some are not. Being that no one people are either angelic or demonic and you will find good and bad traits in every population, what would cause you to make such a sweeping generalisation?

[Fry Guy]

Trump pushed his DHS chief to take steps ‘that were clearly illegal’
04/08/19 11:30 AM

By Steve Benen
A variety of factors likely contributed to Donald Trump forcing Kirstjen Nielsen from her post as Homeland Security secretary, but her acknowledgement of legal constraints clearly didn’t help. The New York Times noted this amazing behind-the-scenes anecdote in which the president urged the cabinet secretary to take actions she could not legally implement.

The president berated Ms. Nielsen regularly, calling her at home early in the mornings to demand that she take action to stop migrants from entering the country, including doing things that were clearly illegal, like blocking all migrants from seeking asylum. She repeatedly noted the limitations imposed on her department by federal laws, court settlements and international obligations.
Those responses only infuriated Mr. Trump further.

At face value, it’s obviously unsettling dynamic: an American president with authoritarian tendencies pushed a top official to implement illegal policies. Trump had a vision for the kind of border agenda he’d like to see implemented, and he grew “infuriated” when told that his administration had to act within the confines of the law.

In the Republican’s mind, legal limits are annoyances and impediments to “tough” policies that the amateur president prefers.
But just as important is the frequency with which we’re confronted with this dynamic. In December, for example, former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson spoke at event in Houston and described the kind of instructions he’d receive from Trump.

“So often, the president would say, ‘Here’s what I want to do and here’s how I want to do it,’” Tillerson explained. “And I would have to say to him, ‘Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can’t do it that way. It violates the law.’”

Or put another way, we now know of more than one cabinet secretary from the Trump administration who was asked to pursue policies that conflict with American laws.

And they’re not alone. Remember this New York Times report from six months ago?

President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation.
The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution. Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power. To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.
The encounter was one of the most blatant examples yet of how Mr. Trump views the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies.

Circling back to our coverage from last year, I suspect much of this is an extension of presidential ignorance and indifference toward governance. Trump has never demonstrated any meaningful understanding – or even interest in – governmental institutions and constraints. He’s more accustomed to a private-sector process in which he barks orders from a lofty perch, at which point employees scramble to follow his instructions.
Trump, convinced he can and should govern like a business leader, has tried to do the same thing from the Oval Office, wholly unaware of the limits of his authority.

No wonder he was “infuriated” when told his ideas are at odds with the American system of government.
The Washington Post added this morning, “President Trump often demands legally dubious solutions to complex problems. When he’s denied, he blames others – including his own staff. That’s really the nub of why he’s pushing out Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.”

Anecdotes from anonymous sources from New York Times.

[Maggot]

It looks like its been a good week for Trump, his enemy's are falling like dominoes. The investigation continues......................

[pyropappy]

It looks like its been a good week for Trump, his enemy's are falling like dominoes. The investigation continues......................

The investigation is just starting....

A bunch of swamp dwellers are gonna need attorneys, lol.

Trump is a vindictive prick.

[Fry Guy]

2 years of a coup to remove him from office will be paid back in full with interest

[Duchess]

Page 290 - when AG Sessions told the president that a special counsel had been appointed, trump slumped back in his chair and exclaimed "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked".  Ahahahahahahaha! No wonder he rants like a fuckin' lunatic.

[Duchess]

Welp. It's now firmly established that the highest law officer in all the land, our United States Attorney General, who is supposed to work for the American people, is nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece for the president. My God.

[Maggot]

They're everywhere!!

[Rootilda]

Page 290 - when AG Sessions told the president that a special counsel had been appointed, trump slumped back in his chair and exclaimed "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked".  Ahahahahahahaha! No wonder he rants like a fuckin' lunatic.

The words of an innocent man.

[Fry Guy]

Page 290 - when AG Sessions told the president that a special counsel had been appointed, trump slumped back in his chair and exclaimed "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked".  Ahahahahahahaha! No wonder he rants like a fuckin' lunatic.

...and it is NOT terrible? I mean only the basest of fucking morons would imagine if THEY were riding the wave of a successful Presidential campaign in which they as a understaffed, inexperienced, underfunded campaign team took on the most experienced senior Democrat Presidential candidate and broke the blue wall against years long smear and polling to the contrary and won, that the impetus breaking Special Counsel (which is typically very invasive and speculation generating affairs) at the very start of his Presidential term, is NOT terrible and probably NOT going to fuck his Presidency.

Only the basest of morons would think that. I do not think that you believe that and I believe that the only one moronic enough to ACTUALLY believe that it is not terrible or an indictment on his character or intellect to register this reality is Rootilda.

Was this conversation for one or are you venting stream of consciousness style?

Welp. It's now firmly established that the highest law officer in all the land, our United States Attorney General, who is supposed to work for the American people, is nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece for the president. My God.

Except it is not at all. Show us PRECISELY what "firmly establishes" that. You can't can you? So it was a pretty ridiculous thing to say, wasn't it? You may show your subjective opinion as a layman in law or governmental policy and state this you "feel" about any number of things and that you do not understand much less agree with Barr's decisions but you know what this does NOT equate to?
Something being firmly established.

What are you saying stupid shit for? Are you just really angry that you are really wrong about pretty much everything? Trying to understand. You should really stop relying on the Liberal propaganda feeding stations as they have been wrong all along.

Page 290 - when AG Sessions told the president that a special counsel had been appointed, trump slumped back in his chair and exclaimed "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked".  Ahahahahahahaha! No wonder he rants like a fuckin' lunatic.

The words of an innocent man.

Precisely. I would think that would end my Presidency too under the same circumstances. But then you are an idiot and batshit crazy so you cannot place yourself in that situation and consider perspectives that are not spoonfed to you. You are very, very stupid.