REMEMBER WHEN...

[Duchess]

Back in the day people hid Jews from the Nazis. I recently read that some communities are going to do the same for undocumented people in the United States. Some people are creating safe rooms in their homes and they intend to hide those who would otherwise be arrested and deported. What do think of that? Is this something you would do? If you were aware of people being hidden in your community would you remain silent?

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't think I would hide anyone who wasn't family or a good friend in my home unless the human rights of undocumented/illegal immigrants were being violated.

I also wouldn't say an effin' peep if I knew where non-felon undocumented/illegal immigrants were being hidden.

When President Trump said that the ICE deportation orders were "a military operation", I thought I misheard him and had to listen again. That's exactly what he said.

I was very happy that General Kelly made a public statement a couple of hours later stating definitively that the U.S. military is not involved in deportation law enforcement. Trump and company then issued a statement claiming that he meant it was an operation that was being carried out with "military precision". Okay.

[BigMark]

If they had tried to blend in, in the first fucking place they wouldn't need to hide now.

[HairOfTheDog]

If they had tried to blend in, in the first fucking place they wouldn't need to hide now.

What do you mean about not trying to blend in, Biggie?

Some of the first deportation arrests under Trump's new order, which gives ICE broad discretion in targeting immigrants without criminal histories, took place as the immigrants were leaving church in Virginia.

Here in Nor Cal, ICE is going after their targets in the early mornings when the immigrants are leaving for work.

If they're felons, I don't really care. But, many of them are not felons. They're just trying to make a living and take care of their families, same as most everybody else.

There are 20,000 employees in ICE today and Trump's plan includes hiring 10,000 more. As we've discussed before, Obama deported more illegal immigrants than his predecessors combined, directing ICE to focus on those with criminal convictions and other "bad hombres." He did it with the existing ICE staff.

The fact that Trump is looking to increase ICE officers by 50% leads me to believe that undocumented/illegal immigrants need to be looking over their shoulders while blending in. I understand why they're hiding.

Ref: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/us/ic...pe=article

[SIXFOOTERsez]

The liberals tend to tie things together that should not be tied together in any way and then they use that for whatever social crusade they are tripping about.
If I knew I would say something.
The very notion that hiding illegals is the same as hiding jews is ridiculous and offensive as hell.
The news didn't commit any crimes to be persecuted for, they were living their lives, practicing their religion and pretty much being regular people.
The illegals on the other hand, broke our laws by coming here illegally and while some work and live relatively honestly, many do not.
They are taking unfair advantage of the citizens of this country and the people that immigrated here Legally.
Fuck em, I do not care of they are offended.

[Duchess]

I wouldn't say anything if I knew they were hidden but I don't think I am selfless enough to risk my freedom on hiding them here. I know they won't let me smoke pot in the slammer and people depend on me to be here to do my job.

Sorry I offended you, Six, with the Jew comment. I didn't know what else to compare it to. I've never seen anything like this outside of a book.

[sally]

I always make it a point to mind my own business unless it involves a child or someone is being physically hurt.

So while I wouldn't hide them, I wouldn't tell on them either unless they were disrupting my life in some way.

But I really don't see how the two can be compared, they're not being sent to a fucking concentration camp.

[Maggot]

I wonder if the crime rate will go down while they are staying under the wire and avoid taking risks.

[HairOfTheDog]

Illegal/undocumented immigrants are responsible for much less crime per-capita than U.S. citizens. That's a fact that's been cited here many times.

The fear of many law enforcement officers and mayors in cities with high immigration populations is that the opposite will happen; that crime will rise.

When immigrants have to fear and hide, they aren't inclined to call in tips, serve as witnesses, etc...

[Maggot]

Immigrants are fine its ILLEGAL immigrants that are the problem. I'm glad that it sets a precedent to slow down the illegal element. Unless you are advocating Illegal immigration.

[Duchess]

But I really don't see how the two can be compared, they're not being sent to a fucking concentration camp.

I already apologized for that.

[HairOfTheDog]

Immigrants are fine its ILLEGAL immigrants that are the problem. I'm glad that it sets a precedent to slow down the illegal element. Unless you are advocating Illegal immigration.

I'm not advocating illegal immigration. I think we need to tighten border control and push through comprehensive immigration reform; it's long past due.

However, I don't look at people the same way you do generally, and undocumented and illegal immigrants are no exception.

I'd rather get rid of the felons and help the productive peaceful ones gain legalization and a path to citizenship. I think they benefit our society and I believe society is safer and more efficient when they're not forced underground.

[sally]

It costs thousands of dollars to come over here legally. You think some corn mashing Mexican has that kind of money? You know who does have that kind of money though, terrorists and drug dealers. Leave the people alone who come over here for a better life and go after the bad guys firsts. There are plenty of them that we can deal with for a long time before we have to start going after the productive peaceful people..

[sally]

I was speaking of my the Mexicans by the way, I like them. Muslims, they need to go. Along with the Jews. To the gas chamber with all of them, useless scum human beings.

[HairOfTheDog]

Don't even dream of trying to boot or bake that old Jew Bernie Sanders, sal.

[HairOfTheDog]

And, we're off...

Snip:
President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown is making the bonds of some deserted prisons valuable again.

Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly last week directed federal immigration and customs officials to “take all necessary action and allocate all available resources to expand their detention capabilities and capacities at or near the border with Mexico."

The directive could be a boon to investors in mothballed prison facilities in Texas and Arizona: in its aftermath, their thinly traded, deeply depressed bonds have soared. Holders of defaulted prison debt have a much better shot at repayment now that President Trump’s tough stance on illegal immigration appears to have intensified interest among potential purchasers of the facilities.

An investor who paid $7,650 for $100,000 worth of Willacy County, Texas, prison bonds that changed hands at a deep discount in December could make an almost $60,000 profit by selling them now, based on trades tracked Friday by the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board.

There is about $1.1 billion in outstanding high-yield jail or prison bond debt, sold by 28 municipal issuers, according to the firm. The bonds represent a tiny corner of the $3.8 trillion municipal market.

Bonds issued to build the Jones County prison in Texas jumped to nearly 60 cents on the dollar last week from about 12 cents in December, according to MSRB data.

The bond rally is only the latest good news for prison investors. On Thursday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions revoked an Obama administration directive to phase out contracts with for-profit prison operators. Stocks in private prison companies extended a rally that began with Mr. Trump’s November election.

Since election day, shares in CoreCivic Inc. have climbed 140% and those in GEO Group Inc. have doubled.

“There’s material opportunity for private prisons to expand their capacity,” said analyst Michael Kodesch of Canaccord Genuity.

Full piece: https://www.wsj.com/articles/prison-bond...1488287049

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I wouldn't say anything if I knew they were hidden but I don't think I am selfless enough to risk my freedom on hiding them here. I know they won't let me smoke pot in the slammer and people depend on me to be here to do my job.

Sorry I offended you, Six, with the Jew comment. I didn't know what else to compare it to. I've never seen anything like this outside of a book.

YOU did not offend, its the libtards taking that particular position. I am not jewish, but have been told I was Blessed, so I got an honorary.
I have a lot of Jewish friends, they all seem to see it the way I do, comparing those two particular things is out of line

[Maggot]

Democrats are Socialists anyways Karl Marx would be proud. Bernie should know well the complications of a failed healthcare system.

[Duchess]

I'm a saver. I used to be a spender.

[Clang McFly]

I'm a saver. I used to be a spender.

I used to be a saver. But then I thought "what am I saving it for?" Eat,drink,party and be merry. For tomorrow you may die.