What is the solution to illegal immigration?

[Maggot]

Let's hear the idea's.

[BigMark]

I'm moving to Mexico, if you can't beat them join them.

[Clang McFly]

Ship them all out to the desert with food, water, medical supplies, building material. Leave them be for 6 months. If they starve to death then they didn't real want the American Dream. If they survive, they receive citizenship.

[Maggot]

How about a reservation like the Indians got stuck on? Until the Democrats start voting for realistic solutions it will stay the same. Even enforcing the current laws that we have is considered by them to be wrong. Most of America knows this.

[Maggot]

I'm moving to Mexico, if you can't beat them join them.

[HairOfTheDog]

You're not qualified to state definitively what most Americans know, Maggot.

I'm not either. But, I suspect that 'most of Americans' aren't buying the transparent bullshit Trump is spewing and that you're swallowing and regurgitating.

The House Republicans cancelled the votes on the second ‘compromise’ immigration bill they were scheduled to put forth yesterday. 40 Republicans were opposed to the first bill. The Republican House Reps cannot reach a compromise between themselves, that's the factual truth of the matter and it has nothing to do with Democrats.

There are bipartisan immigration bills that have been drafted by Republican and Democrat elected officials working together in good faith. Paul Ryan again refused the Democrats request to put a bipartisan bill to vote yesterday as well.

When Trump said in February 2018 that he'd sign any bipartisan immigration bill he received, he once again flip flopped shortly thereafter.

He won't negotiate or compromise on his demands and the Republican Congress won't even vote on something they fear Trump will reject, even though the Congressional pressure might force the President to pass something actually put forth by elected officials representing their constituencies, the American people.

The bipartisan measure which Trump enthusiastically discussed with members of both parties in the televised meeting in February (and then reversed course upon) was sponsored by seven Democrats, eight Republicans and one independent and included:

--Trump's $25 billion border wall funding (one of Trump's demands), to be dispersed over a 10-year period.
--An eventual path to citizenship, over 10 to 12 years, for 1.8 million of the young undocumented immigrants who've been in the U.S. since childhood, including current DACA recipients (one of Trump's requests).
-- A reduction in 'chain migration' (one of Trump's demands); the bill prohibited the 1.8 million young undocumented immigrants from sponsoring their parents to become citizens.
--No changes to the diversity visa lottery system (which is something Trump wants).

I could live with that legislation, even if it further restricted or ended the visa lottery system. I think a lot of Democrats and Republicans, including those in Congress, could too. Those on the far left and far right wouldn't support it, of course. But most of the country is not on the extremes. Unfortunately, President Trump is courting and catering to the far right and thus inhibiting rather than promoting immigration reform.

After lying and claiming repeatedly for days that only Congress could end the family separation at the border by passing a bill to stop the Trump/Sessions policy -- a bill which would include Trump's $25 billion wall funding in one lump sum -- now Trump is tweeting that Republicans should forget about immigration legislation until after the midterms in November (Ryan said yesterday the votes would take place next week).

The Republicans are so split on the issue and I think Trump knows that the continued battles and failures to make progress within his party could cost Republican Reps their seats in diverse districts. Blaming the Democrats for that defies reality, but I think he also knows his base will buy it and run with it anyway.

[Duchess]

Blaming the Democrats for that defies reality, but I think he also knows his base will buy it and run with it anyway.

There's proof in Mock that they buy it.

[Maggot]

Hey, I'm not the one that started saying the majority of Americans agree with anything that a democrat says. You saying it does not mean it is so. Now you may whip out some poll that people not working and sitting at home might spend half the day completing or you can whip out a poll that shows Clinton will win the election but that does not make it so. I would have thought some people here would have learned that lesson already. Poll results generally go to the group that is making the poll and with that in mind I have to say they are -50% or +50% right.

[Duchess]

Who is talking about polls? Did I miss a post?

[Maggot]

Preemptive statement.

[HairOfTheDog]

Who is talking about polls? Did I miss a post?

No.

Paranoid delusions, obsessive deflection to Hillary Clinton, and some weird sense of supremacy over inaccurate polling forecasts from almost two years ago strikes again.

The "people not working" is a new piece of presumptuous bullshit though. Silly, but amusing.

And, the facts of the actual topic at hand..............completely ignored.