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(09-14-2018, 09:59 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: (09-14-2018, 08:36 AM)Maggot Wrote: She really hit a sore spot when she said that to you!  I myself think its when a man is sitting in a lawn chair in shorts and his balls have fallen between the web of the seat, dangling in the wind. Women hate it because men could care less about such silly little things that they think is just normal. A subjective definition.
No, not at all. I rather think she is a snowflake.
I do not know much of her BUT I know when I was disagreeing she went to gender and played the victim. My explaining a different view is me mansplaining. It is social justice speak. Up there with Broappriations, manslamming, Manterruptions and manspreading.
It is the wordplay of oppressed snowflakes. The oppressive men are part of a Partiarchy that collectively oppress women and they do this by explaining their positions and spreading their legs and so on. Everything is a trigger. Safe spaces are necessary.
It is the place of victims and oppressors and the ones who go to the gendered politics are playing the part of the oppressed.
She is a snowflake. THAT is mockworthy. I think it is fun.
Are you speaking from a place of privilege Fry Guy?
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I grew up in the ghetto, I MADE MY PRIVILEGE.
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Snowing on the lefts parade
One gigantic fucking charade
How does it feel to be played?
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(09-15-2018, 07:58 PM)Love Child Wrote: (09-14-2018, 09:59 AM)Fry Guy Wrote: (09-14-2018, 08:36 AM)Maggot Wrote: She really hit a sore spot when she said that to you! I myself think its when a man is sitting in a lawn chair in shorts and his balls have fallen between the web of the seat, dangling in the wind. Women hate it because men could care less about such silly little things that they think is just normal. A subjective definition.
No, not at all. I rather think she is a snowflake.
I do not know much of her BUT I know when I was disagreeing she went to gender and played the victim. My explaining a different view is me mansplaining. It is social justice speak. Up there with Broappriations, manslamming, Manterruptions and manspreading.
It is the wordplay of oppressed snowflakes. The oppressive men are part of a Partiarchy that collectively oppress women and they do this by explaining their positions and spreading their legs and so on. Everything is a trigger. Safe spaces are necessary.
It is the place of victims and oppressors and the ones who go to the gendered politics are playing the part of the oppressed.
She is a snowflake. THAT is mockworthy. I think it is fun.
Are you speaking from a place of privilege Fry Guy?
Yes, obviously. I am actually gentry and born into a life of servants and serfs scraping at my feet and genuflecting at my arrival.
Of course all but the very, very stupid or ideologically blinded realise that for most of history life has been bloody tough for men and bloody tough for women.
Cut out the 1% and most people are mostly the same. Men and women. Go back 200 years and see how the every day (not gentry like myself) person lived.
Every family had a shared sorrow of being intimately acquainted with a sibling or child of their own that had died in childbirth. If you were a woman, in order to be able to live and be assured of being looked after in your old age, you needed kids to support you. How many? How many can you produce. Have one child and they die of the various plagues and diseases to which you have no vaccine or understanding where they come from and what happens? There goes your legacy and chance to live as an older woman. What happens if you have a couple and one dies? That one child you are really gambling on will both live to middle age and have enough to look after both yourself and your husband (if he lives that long). No there has to be more children to both spread the risk and the amount they have to spend to look after you both.
Problem is that having children is a gamble with your life. Child mortality is high but then so is the life and death risk of childbirth. Clearly too being driven through these unfortunate choices it virtually guarantees that you will be perpetually pregnant, recovering from childbirth and/or looking after an ever increasing brood and trying to keep the little buggers away from harm's way least they go and die on you. Not much room for career.
Now if you win the jackpot and are born a male, you STILL need to have children support you in old age and so because you cannot have children and your wife cannot work, guess who is by consequences responsible for keeping this ever increasing brood alive? What if you can't find a job? You HAVE to find a job! What if you are too sick to work? You HAVE to go to work! What if you are not earning enough from your job? Do more hours or a second job or find a higher paying and perhaps a more unpleasant job willing to pay you danger money or the like. What if doing so means you do not get to establish any meaningful relationship with your children and risk literally killing yourself through your work either through accident or working yourself to death and dying at a very early age? Bad luck, that is your life. Your wife has it no easier.
Now we have the rather horrid and unenviable position both men and women are in, WHO of the two of them would be more reasonably responsible for any debt, fine, tax, or the family unit as a whole - legally speaking? That is right. The man.
That is where the idea of male privilege comes. Man historically were given the rights, RESPONSIBILITIES and the legal standing to protect their families and fit in with society.
It was NOT a sexist or misogynist position, it was simply the best decision given the world NOT as it IS but as it was.
Now of course fast forward on and Modernity took care of a lot of these problems, vaccines, birth control, social security, pensions, better birthing and post-natal care, and so much more.
The window between let's say vaccines for smallpox and Polio and the invention of the pill was in a tiny historical window. about 30-50 years.
Now because there was improvements of a gradual nature and as noted some real break-throughs, the Suffragettes (Middle Class Privileged White women most after more power for middle class white women and without the responsibilities that came with rights) were hammering at society citing "male privilege" and their lack of rights. They could see improvements and progress being made. The later incarnations of the Suffragettes, The Feminists, were very well developed and organised and were not prepared to wait for the changes over that 50 year period (that changed life for the better on so many levels and ALLOWED us to have the life we have now in the Western World, rather than some places in Africa or South East Asia for example) to filter through and for society to slowly accept and evolve around the new changes and the shackles being taken off. The next 50 years they pushed hard and railed against society for having been what it was and adopted a Marxist view of Privilege but instead of casting the worker as the oppressed and the store owner/factory owner/owner of land as the oppressor, they cast THEMSELVES as the Oppressed and Men as the Historical Oppressors.
They took responsibility for all changes (not that they were the cause of it) and enforced the narrative that were it not for their efforts there would never be a situation where women had the same rights as men and the fact that women did not have the same rights as men was because of a magical force called Patriarchy.
Of course, I am not so focused on gender and who has what power in society. The 1% such as myself do not seek out the gender of the underlings and servants that scurry around us and try not to get trod underfoot.
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(09-15-2018, 11:45 PM)BigMark Wrote: ![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPOq9Jm455Ce2b8R2/giphy.gif)
They ask questions, I will mansplain. The Patriarchy sent me.
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Examples of times where I have been "Man-Splained" to:
1. I was working at a vehicle inspection place and I had to ask a male customer to open the hood of his vehicle so I could hook to his battery. He then says, "The positive is on the right hand side" So I looked at him and in my best valley girl voice said, "Is that the one with the big red plus on it?" And then I smiled. He laughed and said, "Oh I guess I don't have to tell you how to do your job." I laughed also. (I don't really take offense to these sort of things-they amuse the heck out of me!
2. This last weekend I hit a deer while driving home for Thanksgiving. I had driven a slight ways past it and was no longer in sight of the deer. A motorist pulled over and when I told him what happened he asked, "Was it a doe or a buck?" I stared at him blankly because that bit of information did not matter to MY predicament-he was only asking for his benefit. HE THEN PROCEEDS TO HOLD HIS HANDS ABOVE HIS HEAD, mimicking antlers and says, "A buck has antlers"
Again-I can chuckle at having this conversation on the side of the road. He did help me move my vehicle and I was grateful that he stopped.
To be a feminist is simply to believe that everybody should be treated equally, regardless of sex. It means you think that there should be equality of the sexes economically, socially, politically and personally. When you put it like that, it’s surely difficult for anybody to deny being a feminist. But for such a simple concept, it is often dramatically misunderstood.
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To be a feminist is simply to believe that everybody should be treated equally, regardless of sex. It means you think that there should be equality of the sexes economically, socially, politically and personally. When you put it like that, it’s surely difficult for anybody to deny being a feminist. But for such a simple concept, it is often dramatically misunderstood.
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What is it when women explain stuff? How is it different (gender differences notwithstanding)
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It is clear that you don't have a grasp on this whole concept.
Tell me again why we don't need feminism?
Man splaining is essentially when a guy thinks the woman he is talking to isn't qualified. So he OVER explains something in a CONDESENDING tone.
To be a feminist is simply to believe that everybody should be treated equally, regardless of sex. It means you think that there should be equality of the sexes economically, socially, politically and personally. When you put it like that, it’s surely difficult for anybody to deny being a feminist. But for such a simple concept, it is often dramatically misunderstood.
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That's condescending too.
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Retreat to the Mancave.Men!
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:D
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I need to be mansplained how to do smilies on my phone!
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(11-30-2018, 01:46 PM)Clang McFly Wrote: Retreat to the Mancave.Men!
Did you see the person that wrote the man-splain chart that LC posted? Take him with you.
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(11-30-2018, 12:42 PM)Love Child Wrote: It is clear that you don't have a grasp on this whole concept.
Tell me again why we don't need feminism?
Man splaining is essentially when a guy thinks the woman he is talking to isn't qualified. So he OVER explains something in a CONDESENDING tone.
Yes and when women think the man she is talking to isn't qualified. So she OVER explains something in a CONDESENDING tone. What is that?
BTW I am a single Dad so don't pretend that "well meaning" parenting advice from women has not been given to me in exactly that way. So what is it when women do it in exactly the same way? I have never made it a "thing" nor have I been such a snowflake to try to invent a term or pathology for it, I took the grown up perspective that they were just arseholes. But now you are bringing it up, what is the term and if you don't have one, why not?
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(11-30-2018, 05:56 PM)sally Wrote: (11-30-2018, 01:46 PM)Clang McFly Wrote: Retreat to the Mancave.Men!
Did you see the person that wrote the man-splain chart that LC posted? Take him with you.
Of course he's coming with me. All us men need a safe space from woman-splaining aka nagging and man traps like "Do these pants make me look fat?"
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Years ago our refrigerator broke and when the old guy came to repair it my husband asked him a stupid question. I don't remember what it was, but I remember that I even thought it was stupid. The old guy looked at my husband and said "are you retarded, son?".
Another time my mom called him retarded when he was changing my daughter's diaper and wiping the wrong way.
There have been so many incidents, he's the victim of man-splaining/ woman-splaining way more than me.
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(11-30-2018, 09:45 PM)sally Wrote: Years ago our refrigerator broke and when the old guy came to repair it my husband asked him a stupid question. I don't remember what it was, but I remember that I even thought it was stupid. The old guy looked at my husband and said "are you retarded, son?".
Another time my mom called him retarded when he was changing my daughter's diaper and wiping the wrong way.
There have been so many incidents, he's the victim of man-splaining/ woman-splaining way more than me.
 Poor guy.
That's not mansplaining or womansplaining or whatever.
It's just outright insulting his intelligence and calling him names when he's clearly demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about or doing.
If the old refrigerator guy or your mom started explaining basic roofing, or weight-lifting, or how to raise a family (assuming without cause that your husband was less knowledgeable than them)............that would be closer to mansplaining.
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