What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S.

[Duchess]

Don't be silly.

[Fry Guy]

Why not? Are they effective?

[Maggot]

They are "immoral"

[Fry Guy]

I forgot about that. Protection is immoral. Up is down. Strength is ignorance. War is peace

[Duchess]

Oh look. *points* It's deaf, dumb and blind.  

[Clang McFly]

Oh look. *points* It's deaf, dumb and blind.  

[Fry Guy]

Oh look. *points* It's deaf, dumb and blind.  

....freedom is slavery

[Maggot]

I have to agree Pelosi, Shummer and Maxine Waters have embraced the lunatic asylum as it evolves into a socialist orgy of ever encroaching walls around individual liberty. lets let abortions be available in the third trimester, lets add more heads to the social security payroll lets allow more immigrants to collect welfare, lets take 80% of rich peoples money lets just march all the lemmings off the cliff.................... CNN, MSNBC, and all the talk show pundits can lead the march one, two, one, two...........    They see nothing!   

[Rootilda]

To give Maggot credit, I didn't understand that immoral comment either. If she meant separating families at the border, sure but that's the fault of the administration. The thing is, there's already a wall on most of the border and funds were approved under Obama to repair and replace some of it. Trump is once again taking credit for the previous president's work. Another thing is, no one wants an open border. No one. It's asinine to even suggest such a thing.

[Duchess]

Another thing is, no one wants an open border.  No one.  It's asinine to even suggest such a thing.

We've been telling him that for years. Literally. Years. He doesn't hear it, not ever. He continues to insist if one isn't for the wall then they are for open borders.

I heard the prez speak earlier. He said the wall is being built right now, even as I type this and he has hired 3-4 new contractors in the past few weeks. I'm glad to see he took my advice. Some of you should be satisfied now, your wall is being built, right this second. Congratulations.

[Rootilda]

That fool shoots himself in the foot every time he feels the need to brag, which is every fucking hour of every fucking day. If he says the wall is already being built, then there's no need for additional funding. Unless this is his way to get out from under his campaign promise. I'm okay with that.

And yes, we need funding for the border. Just not his vision of an overpriced and oversized big, beautiful wall.

[Blindgreed1]

To give Maggot credit, I didn't understand that immoral comment either.  If she meant separating families at the border, sure but that's the fault of the administration.  The thing is, there's already a wall on most of the border and funds were approved under Obama to repair and replace some of it.  Trump is once again taking credit for the previous president's work.  Another thing is, no one wants an open border.  No one.  It's asinine to even suggest such a thing.

Separating families at the border has been going on since the Clinton Admin, but Trump is getting all the credit for that too. You gotta take the good with the bad.

[Fry Guy]

That fool shoots himself in the foot every time he feels the need to brag, which is every fucking hour of every fucking day. If he says the wall is already being built, then there's no need for additional funding. Unless this is his way to get out from under his campaign promise. I'm okay with that.

And yes, we need funding for the border. Just not his vision of an overpriced and oversized big, beautiful wall.

Don't be disingenuous. He has been talking barriers and steel slat walls forever don't pretend you think he is putting up concrete wall. He has said steel is cheaper and stronger and you can see through to the people on the other side. Pretending you think he is not talking about creating a steel barrier along the border is frankly retarded. That is what he has been fighting for and Dems and anti-Trump have been rejecting in his $5.7 billion request. Yet you all think you can secure the border without it?

How?

Yeah, thought so.

[Rootilda]

How's that kool-aid taste?

Reality Check: Who decided to take away children at the US border?

• 19 June 2018
  

[*]


The claim: US President Donald Trump says the Democrats created a law that separates children from parents who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.
[*]
Verdict: There is no law on separating children from parents at the border, but rather a policy introduced recently by the Trump administration.
[*]
The policy has led to 2,342 children being separated from families at the US Southwest border between 5 May and 9 June.
Changes under Mr Trump's Zero-Tolerance Policy include expediting the process to determine eligibility to remain, promptly removing those who are denied, and criminally prosecuting migrants for first-time border offences, which were previously treated as civil violations.
[*]
Because the children of prosecuted migrants are not charged with any crime, they are not permitted to be jailed with their parents. But in addition to removing children from apprehended illegal migrants, children have been separated from asylum-seekers.
Seeking asylum is not illegal.
[*]
The president blamed Democrats for the policy. In May, he urged putting "pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children (from) their parents once they cross the Border in the US".
[*]
On 16 June, he tweeted "Democrats can fix their forced family break-up at the border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!" and two days later accused the Democrats of being "weak and ineffective" with border security.

There is no law that mandates separating children from parents who cross the border illegally.
[*]
In 1997, Democratic President Bill Clinton signed the Flores Settlement law that required unaccompanied minors who arrive in the US to be released to their parents, a legal guardian or an adult relative, If no relatives are available then the relevant government agency can appoint an appropriate adult to look after the child.
[*]
And in 2008, Republican President George W. Bush signed an anti-trafficking statute that requires unaccompanied minors to be transferred out of immigration centres within 72 hours. Neither of these recommends separating families.
The policy is meant to deter illegal immigration.
[*]
"If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
He followed this up in several interviews, saying, "We're doing the right thing. We're taking care of these children.
"Our policies are discouraging people from making children endure that treacherous journey."
[*]
In February, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of a mother from Congo to have her seven-year-old daughter returned to her, after the little girl was held separately for more than four months during their application for asylum. The same organisation is seeking a nationwide injunction against separating families.

On 16 June, First Lady Melania Trump made the same assertion as her husband, blaming politicians for her husband's own policy.
Her spokesperson said: "Mrs Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556

[Blindgreed1]

How's that kool-aid taste?

Reality Check: Who decided to take away children at the US border?
[ul]
[li]19 June 2018[/li]
[/ul]
[li]


The claim: US President Donald Trump says the Democrats created a law that separates children from parents who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.[/li]
[li]
Verdict: There is no law on separating children from parents at the border, but rather a policy introduced recently by the Trump administration.[/li]
[li]
The policy has led to 2,342 children being separated from families at the US Southwest border between 5 May and 9 June.
Changes under Mr Trump's Zero-Tolerance Policy include expediting the process to determine eligibility to remain, promptly removing those who are denied, and criminally prosecuting migrants for first-time border offences, which were previously treated as civil violations.[/li]
[li]
Because the children of prosecuted migrants are not charged with any crime, they are not permitted to be jailed with their parents. But in addition to removing children from apprehended illegal migrants, children have been separated from asylum-seekers.
Seeking asylum is not illegal.[/li]
[li]
The president blamed Democrats for the policy. In May, he urged putting "pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children (from) their parents once they cross the Border in the US".[/li]
[li]
On 16 June, he tweeted "Democrats can fix their forced family break-up at the border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!" and two days later accused the Democrats of being "weak and ineffective" with border security.

There is no law that mandates separating children from parents who cross the border illegally.[/li]
[li]
In 1997, Democratic President Bill Clinton signed the Flores Settlement law that required unaccompanied minors who arrive in the US to be released to their parents, a legal guardian or an adult relative, If no relatives are available then the relevant government agency can appoint an appropriate adult to look after the child.[/li]
[li]
And in 2008, Republican President George W. Bush signed an anti-trafficking statute that requires unaccompanied minors to be transferred out of immigration centres within 72 hours. Neither of these recommends separating families.
The policy is meant to deter illegal immigration.[/li]
[li]
"If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
He followed this up in several interviews, saying, "We're doing the right thing. We're taking care of these children.
"Our policies are discouraging people from making children endure that treacherous journey."[/li]
[li]
In February, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of a mother from Congo to have her seven-year-old daughter returned to her, after the little girl was held separately for more than four months during their application for asylum. The same organisation is seeking a nationwide injunction against separating families.

On 16 June, First Lady Melania Trump made the same assertion as her husband, blaming politicians for her husband's own policy.
Her spokesperson said: "Mrs Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556
[/li]

TLDNR. Can't say I really even care, because I happen to know quite a few BPA's down here that maintain it's SOP to separate minors from the adults and has been for a VERY long time in the interest of protecting the minors. Here's what's not so black and white about the issue Root, those who are caught, are shockingly resistant to admit anything. Simply verifying who you actually have in custody is difficult and can take over 72 hours to confirm, and since you don't know who you have, how can you possibly verify that Juan is Carlito's father?  Hmmm... Yeah, I don't see anything on the law books that say if Juan "claims to be" Carlito's father, immediately release the child to Juan who incidentally could be the coyote that brought the kid over, a complete stranger, or even worse a pedophile. How's that for your reality check? You like the Kool-Aid? I mixed in a one gallon pickle jar with my bare hand. Drink up.

[Maggot]

Anyone that will put a child through a 200 mile trek should be arrested for child abuse.

[BigMark]

Using Hispanic names is racist, please check your white privilege, punishment is wearing a pussy hat in public for a week.

[Carsman]

Does Nancy Pelosi speak with forked tongue?

She advocates against the need for a Wall on our Country's borders, but feels the need to have a 12 foot high Wall her own house (Mansion) sits atop of!

[Fry Guy]

How's that kool-aid taste?

Reality Check: Who decided to take away children at the US border?

• 19 June 2018
  

[*]


The claim: US President Donald Trump says the Democrats created a law that separates children from parents who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.
[*]
Verdict: There is no law on separating children from parents at the border, but rather a policy introduced recently by the Trump administration.
[*]
The policy has led to 2,342 children being separated from families at the US Southwest border between 5 May and 9 June.
Changes under Mr Trump's Zero-Tolerance Policy include expediting the process to determine eligibility to remain, promptly removing those who are denied, and criminally prosecuting migrants for first-time border offences, which were previously treated as civil violations.
[*]
Because the children of prosecuted migrants are not charged with any crime, they are not permitted to be jailed with their parents. But in addition to removing children from apprehended illegal migrants, children have been separated from asylum-seekers.
Seeking asylum is not illegal.
[*]
The president blamed Democrats for the policy. In May, he urged putting "pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children (from) their parents once they cross the Border in the US".
[*]
On 16 June, he tweeted "Democrats can fix their forced family break-up at the border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!" and two days later accused the Democrats of being "weak and ineffective" with border security.

There is no law that mandates separating children from parents who cross the border illegally.
[*]
In 1997, Democratic President Bill Clinton signed the Flores Settlement law that required unaccompanied minors who arrive in the US to be released to their parents, a legal guardian or an adult relative, If no relatives are available then the relevant government agency can appoint an appropriate adult to look after the child.
[*]
And in 2008, Republican President George W. Bush signed an anti-trafficking statute that requires unaccompanied minors to be transferred out of immigration centres within 72 hours. Neither of these recommends separating families.
The policy is meant to deter illegal immigration.
[*]
"If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.
He followed this up in several interviews, saying, "We're doing the right thing. We're taking care of these children.
"Our policies are discouraging people from making children endure that treacherous journey."
[*]
In February, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of a mother from Congo to have her seven-year-old daughter returned to her, after the little girl was held separately for more than four months during their application for asylum. The same organisation is seeking a nationwide injunction against separating families.

On 16 June, First Lady Melania Trump made the same assertion as her husband, blaming politicians for her husband's own policy.
Her spokesperson said: "Mrs Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact...40d9d79b84

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/pol.../10780449/

https://www.apnews.com/d110c36836ab4003ad77396025616f04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...rI_XdkONIY

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/migra...?r=US&IR=T

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...es-libera/

Jam that disingenuous. "Obama did not have a policy of separating children from adults after crossing the US-Mexican border."
The Democrats don't even promote your bullshit. So straight from the outset you are lying and quite brazenly and for ideological propaganda.

So with that proven, let's look at the implications of separation and the implications of not separating.

1) If kids are separated then they are prevented from being put with potential predators both pedophiles and/or child traffickers who may purport to be their legal guardians. This prevents further trauma they may have suffered at predators hands.

2) If kids are separated then they may be prevented from being with their parents and legal guardians whilst in an alien country. This may give rise to trauma.

You see the problem here?

It is NOT a case that separation is morally good or morally bad. Both may lead to bad outcomes and the only way to reduce the bad outcomes relies SOLELY on the immigrants. They CHOOSE to come in and bypass the legal channels, that is fine, but there ARE consequences fr CHOOSING this.

The disingenuous attempt to present this as a moral evil on basis that parents are being separated from their children fails because the alternative is NO separation which leads to the morally reprehensible practices of keeping pedophiles and child traffickers with teh children that they claim. THAT would be really an immoral proposition WOULDN'T IT ROOTILIDA?

Why are You immoral Rootilda?

Reality checks are fun.

[Duchess]

Anyone that will put a child through a 200 mile trek should be arrested for child abuse.

Depending on who it is, I sometimes find it interesting that not everyone would try to get their kid/s out of danger. Hell, I'd try to get my animals away from it, so yeah, I'm very surprised you wouldn't.