A brief educational moment concerning later term abortions

[Maggot]

When Roe vs. Wade passed it was about abortion in the first two trimesters. Then Virginia tried to pass a law that was horrible. They wanted to let an abortion happen right up to the day of birth. It is not the right that is messing with Roe but the left that is adding more to it. Think about that.

[aussiefriend]

oh that's right, FryGuy is from Oz. Total retard.

[Fry Guy]

It's fryguy, the down under nutjob.

It means a lot coming from you Mark. By a lot I mean not at all, and by you, I mean I don't know you from a random I pass on the street

[BigMark]

Not true, you don't have a dialogue with a stranger on the street, or do you? In your head maybe?

[Fry Guy]

Mark, did I say I had dialogue with randoms in the street? No. I said I do not KNOW you any more than I know randoms in the street.

So why did you pretend otherwise? You don't know? Not surprised

[aussiefriend]

Not true, you don't have a dialogue with a stranger on the street, or do you? In your head maybe?

No, not in my fucking head asswipe. I have political friends, and I take these loses, especially corrupt loses very personally. I work very hard behind the scenes. My dialogue was not on the street. Only handing out how to vote cards on the day.

[Rootilda]

I think he was talking to fryguy. I do that too, it's easy to overlook a blocked poster and think someone is addressing you.

[HairOfTheDog]

When Roe vs. Wade passed it was about abortion in the first two trimesters. Then Virginia tried to pass a law that was horrible. They wanted to let an abortion happen right up to the day of birth. It is not the right that is messing with Roe but the left that is adding more to it. Think about that.

No, Roe v Wade was not about abortion in the first two trimesters.  It was about a woman's right to privacy, including making her own reproduction decisions. 

The justices found that the Constitution guarantees women that right and that a fetus was not a separate person with constitutional rights, but attempted to balance that right with a concern for the pregnant woman’s health.

The justices came up with the trimester formula and ruled that states could not ban abortions or place restrictions on the pregnant woman's privacy/choice within the first trimester, period.  However, the SC ruling stipulated that states could pass laws with narrow restrictions (related to concerns for the pregnant woman's health) after that point.  

Later, in subsequent abortion cases, the trimester formula was put aside by the Supreme Court in favor of basing the point upon which state governments could restrict women's right to choose on 'fetal viability to survive outside the womb'.  The fetal viability standard remains in place today.

Anyway, abortions in the third trimester are quite rare.  But that doesn't stop religious folks and politicians who represent conservative/religious regions from making 'late term abortions' the focus of their attention in public statements and arguments designed to place more restrictions on abortion, close down clinics that provide abortion procedures (and, for the extremists, to ban abortion and some forms of birth control altogether).

[HairOfTheDog]

Some liberal states place no restrictions on abortion outside a doctor's determination of fetal viability (which may include viability requiring medical assistance) outside the womb.  Other conservative states place a lot of restrictions on abortion after the first trimester, positioning the restrictions as being based on risks to the pregnant woman's health.

Right now, the extremists/absolutists on both sides are pushing the envelope.  Some liberals want the pregnant woman's right to choose to be absolute up until the point of viability.  Some conservatives contend that life begins at conception and want a fetus to be regarded as an individual person with a Constitutional right to life (thus asserting that abortion is murder, regardless as to viability of the fetus outside the womb and regardless as to whether the impregnation was a result of rape or incest).

In any case, most of the country supports keeping Roe v Wade in effect and see it as a sound compromise.  More liberal states are fighting to protect Roe V Wade and strengthen the woman's right to privacy and choice without government interference.  And, some conservative states, particularly Alabama, are violating Roe v Wade in hopes of pushing cases up to the current Supreme Court in order to get Roe v Wade overturned or severely restricted.

[Duchess]

  But that doesn't stop religious folks and politicians who represent conservative/religious regions from making 'late term abortions' the focus of their attention in public statements and arguments designed to place more restrictions on abortion, close down clinics that provide abortion procedures (and, for the extremists, to ban abortion and some forms of birth control altogether).

The president is telling his followers that babies are ripped from their mothers, swaddled and then executed. The fucking president of the United States of America. I have no doubt there are some who believe him, I feel confident in saying that because they believe him regardless of constantly being lied to by him. They stick by him through even that.

[Duchess]

No, not in my fucking head asswipe. I have political friends, and I take these loses, especially corrupt loses very personally. I work very hard behind the scenes. My dialogue was not on the street. Only handing out how to vote cards on the day.

Mark was responding to Fry Guy, honey.

[Maggot]

So Roe/Wade protected a woman's right up until the first trimester. It did not include the second that was left to the states. OK. I thought it covered 1^st and 2^nd. Most Americans have no problem with it as long as it's done in the early stages and not more than half way through the pregnancy, there is a large moral headwind after that by most of the country.

[Duchess]

I've never encountered anyone, anywhere, that is okay with viable babies being aborted. When women have a late term abortion it's because there is a problem, a big fucking problem, usually a life & death problem. Women don't make these decisions willy nilly.

Regardless, it's no one's business, certainly not the business of a stranger. This is a decision that women make with their doctors and whomever else they care to share such a personal decision with. It's appalling to me the sheer number of people who think it's their business.

[BigMark]

We are self aware animals, we have to be forced to be "civilized".

[BigMark]

Stimulation simulation, no conception detected.

[BigMark]

[Fry Guy]

Not true, you don't have a dialogue with a stranger on the street, or do you? In your head maybe?

No, not in my fucking head asswipe. I have political friends, and I take these loses, especially corrupt loses very personally. I work very hard behind the scenes. My dialogue was not on the street. Only handing out how to vote cards on the day.

Hahahaha Who gives a shit?

[Fry Guy]

Could i please respectfully request for the ideological partisan Progressive snowflakes that are too far gone to hear challenges outside their echochamber that they need to block members on a mock forum, have a fellow Snowflake translate my posts for them into what Progressive dialect they will respond to without offence and indignant outrage? May stop these unnecessary misunderstandings

I submit fellow Snowflake, HoTD for consideration.

Kidding. This is as funny as shit.

[BigMark]

[BigMark]