JOGGING WHILE BLACK

[HairOfTheDog]

You can't really do shit in this world black or white without taking chances, it's just what the media chooses to make a deal of if so it gets noticed. In this case I think it's bullshit, but a couple of white guys here were doing construction work in the ghetto and a crazy black guy bludgeoned them to death with a hammer, but I'm sure no one heard about that.

I didn't hear about that, but I tried to find the story.  I found several stories of deaths by hammer and construction workers being killed, but couldn't find a story that matched the one you mentioned.  

In any case, the black hammer murderer was arrested and charged quickly, I take it?

That didn't happen in this case.  Instead, the two men who chased and killed Arbery simply said that they thought he was a robber and they were forced to shoot him in self-defense after catching up to him and pulling shotguns on him. 

No real investigation was conducted; the two men (father and son) were affiliated with local police and local prosecutors.

It wasn't until the video taken by a witness was released months later that this case finally got more attention and was assigned to the state bureau of investigations. 

It took the state LE agency all of two days to investigate and present probable cause to arrest the two men for aggravated assault and felony murder.

I think it's an important crime story on a couple of levels and deserves the attention it's finally getting.

[Duchess]

I had to look up the definition of cholo.

I didn't know what it meant either.

[BigMark]

You guys got to be kidding me, oy vey.

[BigMark]

And just like a cholo not wearing his gang attire during a trial I bet he looked scarier than that when he SHOT A BABY IN THE FACE.

[sally]

It's your right to jog down the road without some faggot piece of shit harassing you, Big Mark. Next time you're riding your bike minding your own business and some rednecks chase you down and corner you, maybe you should curl into fetal position?

[MirahM]

Unfortunately, you are correct. I have not heard about that. Perhaps if it was not race related it didn't make the news.

If you watch enough news you can become paranoid about a black guy hanging, jogging, chillin, loitering in your neighborhood. Here is a case I find particularly troubling.

Nope.
Sorry.
I don't feel fear from a person because of the color of their skin.
I have felt fear from men, white men actually.

But now I do feel like playing the "Dead Giveaway" song that was made from Charles Ramsey.
"I knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl run into a black man's arms. Something is wrong here. Dead Giveaway"

[HairOfTheDog]

Unfortunately, you are correct. I have not heard about that. Perhaps if it was not race related it didn't make the news.

If you watch enough news you can become paranoid about a black guy hanging, jogging, chillin, loitering in your neighborhood. Here is a case I find particularly troubling.




"A boy approached me and told me he wanted my money, and I told him I didn't have any money. And he said, 'Give me your money or I'm going to kill you and I'm going to shoot your baby and kill your baby,' and I said, 'I don't have any money,' and 'Don't kill my baby.'"
The boy tried to grab her purse and opened fire when she said tried to tell him she had no money, West said, with the shot grazing her head. She said the boy then shot her in the leg.
West continued, "And then, all of a sudden, he walked over and he shot my baby in the face."

I remember the case you're citing to justify fear/discrimination of black men.  It was terrible.

I also remember hundreds of other cases where white men (and less frequently women) committed terrible murders against innocent people, including babies and children. 

We've covered fucked up murders of people of all ages in the crime forum for over 10 years now.  They go down by and against all races.

So, I don't share your view or paranoia of black people 'hanging, chilling' in the neighborhood like anyone else. It's not born of objectivity.

[MirahM]

I know I am going off topic here, but I was just remembering the Amanda Barry story again. Her rescue was just 7 years ago. And just last year she was reunited with Charles Ramsey.

[HairOfTheDog]

It's an ignorant quote and a weak point, Ski.

Muggers don't ask for political leanings before they act; plenty of people from all political affiliations have been victims of crimes committed by perpetrators from all political affiliations.

I'd rather stick to the case and facts at hand here.  

But, if you feel some desire to turn it into an opportunity to push a racist or anti-liberal troll, I won't try to stop you and the usual suspects may jump in and join you.  Predictable and tired old shit.

[HairOfTheDog]

I know I am going off topic here, but I was just remembering the Amanda Barry story again. Her rescue was just 7 years ago. And just last year she was reunited with Charles Ramsey.

I remember what a great surprise and relief it was when Amanda, Gina, and Michelle were recovered alive.  Charles Ramsey was great.  (thread on the case:  https://mockforums.net/thread-10028.html)

What a strange case, including the suicide of POS Ariel Castro. 

Hard to believe it was 7 years ago already.

[HairOfTheDog]

New video has emerged showing Ahmaud Arbery prior to his death.

It was released by the owner of an under-construction home which Arbery, who'd studied to become an electrical engineer, came across during his jog.



It shows Arbery checking out the construction site briefly before continuing his jog on the day he was killed.  Arbery doesn't cause any damage or steal anything.

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[HairOfTheDog]

The owner of the property, Larry English, says he released the video to show what Arbery did (or didn't do) at the property.  

English wants to set the record straight; speculation that he called the McMichaels to go after Arbery is false.  That did not happen.

English publicly confirmed that he has no relationships with the McMichaels and wouldn't have called for such action against Arbery in any case.

More:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...si=7288588

[HairOfTheDog]

As noted upthread, Georgia is one of four states that doesn't have 'hate crime' laws.

However, the state investigators are now working with federal law enforcement within the DOJ to weigh possible hate crime charges against Travis and Gregory McMichael.  

Story:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-hate-crime-arbery

[HairOfTheDog]

Turns out, Ahmaud Arbery's cousin is Detroit Lion's safety Tracy Walker.



When the video of his 25-year-old cousin's killing appeared online, Walker says, he watched it "no exaggeration, over 100 times," each time leaving him more frustrated, more angry and more "pissed off."

The two grew up living across the street from each other and stayed close after Walker went to play for the NFL. Walker described Arbery as a great soul and a clown who made everybody laugh.

Walker already, coincidentally, wears Arbery's high school number, No. 21, and he plans to write Arbery's initials on his cleats when the NFL resumes. He also is planning to wear Arbery's T-shirts underneath his jersey during games as another way to remember his cousin.

Walker said he and his family would like to see the people involved in Arbery's death held responsible. "We want justice for Ahmaud," Walker said. "We want the proper justice."

Story:  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2916...tiful-soul

[Duchess]

They deserve it. All families deserve justice. 

I'm so glad that video is seeing the light of day.

[Maggot]

I agree and am glad someone with money can bring this thing up and defend the defenseless. It should happen more often.

[Duchess]

 I was just remembering the Amanda Barry story again. Her rescue was just 7 years ago.

I remember the night the story broke! We have a thread.

https://mockforums.net/thread-10028.html

[MirahM]

Ski posting these articles is pointless. Go start your own thread.

Let me ask you this-if you have one woman that had sex with you does that mean all women want to have sex with you? You can change the orientation to man if that is your thing, I can't remember.

How about the man that raped a woman-does that mean that all men are rapists? How about all white men?

Because there was a white woman who called the cops on a black man for no reason does that mean all white women are mean?

Does the media portray race as different in their articles? Yes. Does the media say "Lone wolf" when it is a white man shooter? Terrorist when it is a brown shooter and "black man" when it is a black shooter? Yeah. When do we see "White man" shot cops. It is usually just 34 yr old man shot cops.

We get it. I get it! You don't need to post a million or 2 or 3 articles about bad things any black person has done.

Please stop.

[Duchess]

He's been repeatedly asked not to do that and yet, here we are, again. 

I'm deleting the irrelevant posts, if he wants to discuss bad black people doing bad things he can start a thread.

[HairOfTheDog]

This case keeps getting stranger and more disturbing as more details are released -- a Netflix documentary in the making.

The Glynn County, GA police department has a long history of corruption, cover-ups, and even not arresting police officers for crimes (in one case, a lieutenant stalked and abused his ex-wife without being arrested -- he later murdered her before killing himself).

The police department lost their law enforcement license at one point in the recent past.

Email evidence shows that a police officer advised the under-construction home owner, Larry English, to call neighbor and ex-cop Gregory McMichael if his phone surveillance showed anyone on English's property.

LE suspects that Arbery may have stopped at the site just before he was killed to get a drink of water before resuming his jog; past surveillance shows that had happened in the past.

Gregory McMichael's son and Travis McMichael's sister has gone public saying her family isn't racist because she hasn't dated a white guy since her teens and they always loved her boyfriends.

The local attorney, Alan Tucker, who claimed to have leaked the video of Abery's killing now says he didn't really leak it.  He says Gregory McMichael leaked it because he thought it would clear him.  Tucker also says there was no reason for Arbery to have been killed.

There's more:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ption.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ching.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...death.html