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10-30-2008, 11:20 PM
Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Freedom of speech is fine, but there does come a point where it simply has to be curtailed for the protection of the vast majority of people.Which would negate the "freedom" part of it. It's like being "a little pregnant". I suppose I should have expected no different from someone who does not grasp the concept of freedom as a whole.
10-30-2008, 11:25 PM
Sinister Wrote:Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Freedom of speech is fine, but there does come a point where it simply has to be curtailed for the protection of the vast majority of people.Which would negate the "freedom" part of it. It's like being "a little pregnant". I suppose I should have expected no different from someone who does not grasp the concept of freedom as a whole. Have you seen StormFront? They talk about the overthrow of our Government, extermination of Blacks and Jews, and are not remotely shy about acting like terrorists in some statements.
10-30-2008, 11:27 PM
jackboots Wrote:threats are not covered under freedom of speech. threats are assault under our law. Verbal assault is a crime. As such, is StormFront verbally assaulting Blacks and Jews that have been to the site? I'm not sure there is a clear cut answer with regard to that skinhead splinter group, but they are clearly the most dangerous faction of the skinheads. 
10-30-2008, 11:45 PM
AnonyMoose Wrote:What kills me is that these types of organizations think that what they do and what they stand for are somehow different than those responsible for 9/11. They are pretty much insane and infected with the dumb-dumb virus.Sinister Wrote:Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Freedom of speech is fine, but there does come a point where it simply has to be [color="red"]curtailed[/color] for the protection of the vast majority of people.Which would negate the "freedom" part of it. It's like being "a little pregnant". I suppose I should have expected no different from someone who does not grasp the concept of freedom as a whole. ::dunno:: 
10-31-2008, 05:45 AM
[user=74]AnonyMoose[/user] wrote:
Quote:You cannot yell FIRE in a movie theatre, for example.Yes you can. You are free to do that. You just may have to suffer negative consequences. That is the nature of freedom, and part of the cost.  
10-31-2008, 10:11 AM
AnonyMoose Wrote:I have seen the link you included, yes. They make a point to cover their ass to the extent that they can in the intro page. The question should be; did I see Stormfront and do I like what they say there? I do not like what I read there, but I don't have to. I don't have to agree, but as Liquid implied; I'll fight to the death their right to say it, just as I would fight to the death faggot's rights to their Gay Pride day even though I hate them, and gatherings of black folks to celebrate MLK day.Sinister Wrote:Have you seen StormFront? They talk about the overthrow of our Government, extermination of Blacks and Jews, and are not remotely shy about acting like terrorists in some statements.Howard_hopkinso Wrote:Freedom of speech is fine, but there does come a point where it simply has to be curtailed for the protection of the vast majority of people.Which would negate the "freedom" part of it. It's like being "a little pregnant". I suppose I should have expected no different from someone who does not grasp the concept of freedom as a whole. It is not freedom of speech if it only applies to the people you agree with. It must be across the boards for everyone out there. My sister in law married a Jewish man. I have black friends; Zenith and her husband being 2 of them. As far as overthrowing our government; I am ALL FOR IT. Remember those words; Of the People, By the People, and For the People? We the people are supposed to be in control of the government and we haven't been for a long fucking time. When people wise up, as we are beginning to, that overthrow is a distinct possibility. It's gonna get real ugly before it gets any better, but it is bound to happen. 
10-31-2008, 11:03 AM
It sounds to me like you're almost advocating total fucking anarchy Sinister.
Where the fuck do you think that would leave us? For fucks sake, we have enough shit going on in this fucked up world as it is, without arseholes and extremist groups causing even more death and destruction. Freedom of speech is one thing, but when it is blatantly being used to recruit terrorists and those that would take away the freedoms of the masses, it has to be stopped, pure and simple. If you think freedom is something that should be allowed at any price, then you're simply living in a fucking dream world and it's about time you woke the fuck up and smelled the fucking coffee.
10-31-2008, 11:15 AM
Howard_hopkinso Wrote:It sounds to me like you're almost advocating total fucking anarchy Sinister. If total anarchy is what it would take to let our government know that we will no longer bend over and take it up the ass, so be it. I don't know where it would take us, but this country is being sold down the fucking river and you can only push the American people so far before they will fight back. I do not advocate extremist groups like the people shown in Stormfront. They are only about violence, and have a very narrow view of what the world should be like and who should be "allowed" to live in it. You must use caution in who you label a terrorist. After The Patriot Act was brought into play, all Motorcycle Clubs have been labeled as terrorists. Many groups other than MC's are given this label. Why? I am not a terrorist. My husband is not a terrorist. The other members of his Club are not terrorists. But simply because we belong to this Club, we are on a watch list. Our phone calls can be monitored and recorded and LEO can come into my house and search it with no cause whatsoever. Bit by bit, chipping away, our freedoms are being stripped away. Tiny little things that seem to make sense at the time are going to add up to America becoming a communist country. You wait and see if I'm not right. The sheeple of this country sit by, blase' and ignorant of what is happening but as we learn more, the shit is gonna hit the fan. I don't want this to happen, but as I said; you can push Americans only so far. And then we push back. I don't want a war right here on my soil. But I believe it is inevitable. 
10-31-2008, 04:07 PM
Howard_hopkinso Wrote:It sounds to me like you're almost advocating total fucking anarchy Sinister.Eva Brauns ideal world is a fucked up mad max style dystopia, where biker gangs roam the highways causing chaos, anarchy and death with impunity, I mean if a biker fuck wants to shoot you in the face and rape your wife he should have the "freedom" to do so.
We need to punish the French, ignore the Germans and forgive the Russians - Condoleezza Rice.
10-31-2008, 08:30 PM
Sinister Wrote:As far as overthrowing our government; I am ALL FOR IT. Remember those words; Of the People, By the People, and For the People? We the people are supposed to be in control of the government and we haven't been for a long fucking time. When people wise up, as we are beginning to, that overthrow is a distinct possibility. It's gonna get real ugly before it gets any better, but it is bound to happen. The problem is that many must die and Americans have slowly lost the capacity to sacrifice. The first place to attack would have to be the military bases to remove a response capability.American civilians won't attack a SAC base because they think Obama is taking too many taxes.
10-31-2008, 08:37 PM
Ordinary Peephole Wrote:Eva Brauns ideal world is a fucked up mad max style dystopia, where biker gangs roam the highways causing chaos, anarchy and death with impunity, I mean if a biker fuck wants to shoot you in the face and rape your wife he should have the "freedom" to do so. Maybe some folks just should not watch Mad Max? 
10-31-2008, 08:38 PM
The town I lived in before had a "militia" They trained on private property and they were not skinheads they had a few black members. It was kinda cool actually. It was made up with vets and they were normal. We need more like that. They marched in parades and stuff.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
10-31-2008, 10:09 PM
Maggot Wrote:The town I lived in before had a "militia" They trained on private property and they were not skinheads they had a few black members. It was kinda cool actually. It was made up with vets and they were normal. We need more like that. They marched in parades and stuff. You are right. That is what a militia is supposed to be about.
10-31-2008, 10:22 PM
I still would rather HAVE freedom of speech versus the alternative. As MF said you CAN yell fire in a crowded theater, but there are consequences. I am sure that the authorities, whoever they are monitor that site and others like it in case credible threats are made. As some have said, you can say anything, which is part of our rights, but if you act on some of the things you say and laws are broken you have the consequences to face.
10-31-2008, 10:31 PM
It's hard to take these idiots seriously when you find out they've got a website filled with written adolescent machismo dreams of glory and stiffly posed photos with weapons and their idea of military gear.
11-01-2008, 01:16 AM
LittleMissPoopyPants Wrote:It's hard to take these idiots seriously when you find out they've got a website filled with written adolescent machismo dreams of glory and stiffly posed photos with weapons and their idea of military gear. It's easy to take even posers seriously when you see what happened in Columbine and the VT campus.
11-01-2008, 11:52 AM
AnonyMoose Wrote:It's easy to take even posers seriously when you see what happened in Columbine and the VT campus.Wow. Congrats, Mouse. You said something that makes sense. Good for you!
11-01-2008, 12:04 PM
AnonyMoose Wrote:Very good point and you are correct about that. all those sites are monitoredLittleMissPoopyPants Wrote:It's hard to take these idiots seriously when you find out they've got a website filled with written adolescent machismo dreams of glory and stiffly posed photos with weapons and their idea of military gear. |
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