So, let me get this straight.... Part 1

[Middle Finger]

I am a typical uptight Englishman who likes his personal space, I detest over familiarity, if I were to meet any new hamster outside the pet shop face to face and they draped their arm around my shoulder I would be like "......get the fuck off please".

Fixed.

[Duchess]

if I were to meet anyone off Mock face to face and they draped their arm around my shoulder I would be like "......get the fuck off please".

Thanks for the heads up.

[Cynical Ninja]

I am a typical uptight Englishman who likes his personal space, I detest over familiarity, if I were to meet any new hamster outside the pet shop face to face and they draped their arm around my shoulder I would be like "......get the fuck off please".

Fixed.

Hamster, hamster, hamster, blah, blah, blah.

[The Antagonist]

If could go back in time, when Ant offered the private and personal favor of a fast and easy conversion ... and a quick conversion of the theme that would take "no time" ... I would say NO THANK YOU and just have stayed put.

When someone does you a favor and you start to see that it's more complicated and taking more time than expected then common courtesy would be to say '"hey, I don't expect you to do all this for free, what are the incidentals and what do you think would be fair". You make sure you get a straight answer out of them so you can avoid this kind of situation. Did you do that?

I hear where you are coming from but there was no context for that type of inquiry at the time. There was no delay that I was aware of that cost her money. We were just both meeting up at later times to deal with the wait of my domain transfer, something she needed from D, etc. In fact at one point I said something to the effect of how I feel bad it is taking more than one day due to the wait ... she said no problem at all. We have been through similar scenarios together in the past so I didn't think anything of it. It wasn't until after the site was all transferred and a month later (or whatever it was recently) that she decided to "expose" me publicly as she was getting angry with me for attacking Lumpy so much. Drama queen control-freak "take things out on Frank" mode I felt. The trust factor on this back-stabbing bitch trying to humiliate me after offering me a simple site conversion favor just boiled over.

To call the tweaks and inquiries that followed some form of request for weeks of custom code work is absurd. Just like it would be absurd for me to ask her to pay for changes I've had coders do to features I've produced, where she found bugs or had complained about them for her sites. at one point I was spending a lot of money having mods (plug ins) developed that I let her offer and install through her site that offered such services, since she was as friend.

She has obviously gone into hate Frank and exaggerate mode. Weeks of custom work for some tweaks? They could make up anything ... thousands of dollars worth. I've paid coders $100 for a new major feature. I've paid coders $40, $60, ect. for entire new plug ins. I have a hard time believing that I even came close to asking for work to be done just for my site that even approached her cost for one new plug in. But I will stay open for kicks.

OK Ant, here we go. How much money did you pay D just for shit I wanted? Please list what I asked for that could reasonably be taken as a request for custom code work versus a little fucking tweak or question. Go ahead. Provide the link to my request if possible and the money it cost you.

I want to see what you were charged for by D for what I presume are my comments in some thread where I expressed that something looked wrong. I assume if it was just for me you would have said hey, it is going to cost this much for that change or something, but you didn't. So please go ahead and list the costs for whatever the fuck it is.

I assume the conversion was of no cost and the theme work, or are we going to go back in time and charge each other for time and favors with help? I can't imagine that. So it comes down to what D charged you for some tweaks you made just for my site - tweaks on things you are not using for distribution or sale, but were coding work just for my site, correct? I fucking hope so.

Since you've made everything public, please list the work done so we can see if approaching this from Sally's perspective even works. I don't trust you any longer due to your lack of communication, overly critical nature, and lack of ability to take this shit up with me privately ... and now you blame me for losing clients to boot ... but I will give it a last shot.

List specific dollar amounts, please.

OK this is the last time I'm going to address this. You're going to have to do your own homework because in every post I made about this, I never said I wanted more money from you. My replies and statements have been pretty consistent where you seem to reply with stuff I have not said or twisted my words in such a way to accommodate your view of what I said.

Your answers can be found in:
Complaints - I think page 5 is where I made a comment on how that topic made me feel.
Julie's Transformation
Page 1 of this thread

The mods I paid Dylan for are indeed on my site. My now closed site. YOU COMMENTED on each of those mods.
Dylan mentioned you can obtain these mods via subscription in the Complaints thread. I didn't complain that I paid Dylan to do these I complained that I had him stop what he was doing for me to help YOU.

So, if you bothered to read and not skim my first two posts of this thread you'd understand I don't want money from you. If I did I wouldn't have refunded you plus the extra $20 for use of your crappy mods for two months.

I never made a dime on your mods.
You are way up on the cost of mods per site so that's a non issue now.
I never said MOVING your site to the VPS would be easy.
I never said that you would have no involvement in the set up pre-merger.
I DID say the merger would be easy and it was.
I'm sorry you couldn't be bothered to pay attention to our talks and I'm even more sorry I didn't save every friggin email to prove it.

All I did was call you cheap and pointed out all I did for your shitty behavior toward me and Dylan. What we got in return was a loss of business for both of us.

What I did was not untrustworthy - maybe out of line to do it openly, but what you're doing is far worse. You're taking this to the level to harm two people's financial gain. I didn't cause you financial loss, you did to me by calling me untrustworthy in such a way that people will think I will steal from them. Isn't that slander?

But don't worry - I'm disassociating you from all my sites now and you wont' have to worry about any kind of personal involvement with such an untrustworty bitch full of trickery to rob you out of house and home.

We both could have handled this better but after seeing how vindictive you truly are, I don't think you'd behave any differently off Mock than you would in private.

[Middle Finger]

OK so basically you are a crybaby back-stabbing fuck who didn't like that I used Mock to be obnoxious AS YOU HAVE (if you recall, I had complained to you privately once about how you were notably condescending and public on something about how the site was run and your reply was a laugh and how "that was Mock"), but I see you can NOT take what you dish out you big website baby. So ... it's not about money, it's about how I treated you on a fucking Mock site even though I treated you differently about all of this in private. Fucking hypocritical baby that can dish it out but can't take it. You obviously blur reality between Mock and real life. You are unfit to Mock and keep a wall up because your overly sensitive bullshit can't handle it.

So you try to publicly humiliate me over a Mock thread. Grow up, STFU, and kiss my ass because your emotionally fragile condescending bullshit has been called out and faced. Don't like it? Then keep your mouth shut about a site is run if you don't want that admin to give you a taste of your own medicine. Do NOT offer favors in between condescending arrogant posts and then cry like a schoolgirl when you get a taste back in some form. We both know how you can't handle criticism you defensive fuck - stop making ME pay for YOUR shortcomings. It's not fair and I will no longer ENABLE it.

Take my advice - don't mix Mock, friends, help, and business. Duchess should take note of this as well as you. Make sure you never criticize anything Ant does, Duchess ... even if she is in the middle of doing that to you.

Now go join your Hypocritical Miserable Baby Clique here at Mock while I take a break from busting it up. You are blending hating at Mock with hating in real life. That was your problem. I knew this from all your fucking off-site bullshit and focus on it. STFU and stop making Mock a real life thing. You are destructive and I do NOT appreciate what you do or how you operate in that sense.

Apologize for that crap, and I will for my crap. That is the best I will do.

[The Antagonist]

Apologies cannot regroup my loss.

YOU gave me real life shit when I pointed out how you became insane. I would have pointed it out if it were done to any other member than Lumpy.

YOU got truly pissed and quite a few members feel you meant what you said to me.

It wasn't about what you were saying to her, it was all about what you became.
It was all about how you could have NOT had a thread called COMPLAINTS while working shit out. But don't worry, any apology from you will not be sincere and your vindictiveness proved that.

Your biggest mistake with this site was not protecting privacy.

Quit with the "this is mock" bullshit. It's worn very thin.

[Middle Finger]

You are over-dramatizing everything, like you always tend to.

THE COMPLAINTS THREAD WAS NOT SET UP TO BE FOR COMPLAINTS ABOUT YOU AND YOUR WORK, YOU PAIN IN MY ASS!

If your big claim of hurt is my "Complaints" thread then you are an overly sensitive hypocrite who can and does dish shit out but can't take it - AGAIN, especially because you KNEW how I felt in private. I don't want to hear how your condescending bullshit is less of a real mock then mine - I don't buy it.

So, it was the FUCKING TITLE of my thread that caused you to lose your mind? The fucking TITLE? "Complaints" on a Mock site where we bust each other? Even though you knew how I felt in private? What, are you in third grade now?

Here is the God damn thread you keep crying about. Go ahead, look at it. Everyone fucking look at it:

http://mockforums.net/showthread.php?tid=3268

Read my first post. I OBVIOUSLY set that up from experience knowing how broad changes normally have bugs or oddities showing up, even if they are easily remedied by a user's own setting choices. I OBVIOUSLY set that thread up NOT to HURT you or DAMAGE you, or be MEAN to you. It wasn't about YOU, it was about my decision to use THAT software and have that version of my theme, and to see if I could remedy any complaints on issues I can't yet see for myself or don't realize. Read the first fucking post you big drama queen trouble-maker. Here it is, in case someone is lazy. Here are the two fucking sentences I wrote with the title Complaints:

If you see something problematic, you don't like, don't get, etc. say it here. I might not know the answer or be able to change it, but I'm pretty fucking good at trying.

Obviously I was just doing the normal set up to have one place for complaints, issues, bugs, requests, etc. so that I can tweak a template, go look up a question at the MyBB site, ask you, find a setting in admin to help, whatever.

So we are not down to content or me saying mean brutal things, we are not down to money, ... all of this happening because you didn't like the name of a title I chose between me and my Members so I can start the process of trouble shooting. This is the same basic thing I did at 24 when I converted to WowClassic software or installed a major new feature. Anyone who has been with me and kept an eye on the HQ forum there KNOWS THIS, including you.

I needed to know what people didn't like or want changed. I WAS BEING SERVICEABLE TO MY MEMBERS like I always have been. In that thread, Lumpy asked for a Recent Posts button because the current set up was not convenient. I accommodated her request on this long ago at 24. She was using the Complaints thread like it was intended - what a shock. You took that personally saying how the site doesn't need it. You turned everything into a personal hurt and argument you obnoxious pain in my ass. Lumpy and I also thought that the Members List was not convenient. She said "Usually each column can be sorted, ie by join date, number of posts, etc." You and D defended it like you guys made the software. Later I discovered you can sort it at the bottom.

It became clear to me that any complaint about MyBB (not you or your help) was to be taken personally by you and you were going to defend it like a fucking control freak baby. Now I can't comfortably talk with members about the software and what we didn't like.

I hope now everyone can stop pretending that the thread was set up by me to be mean and hurtful, or just to talk about your work and help. WRONG. FAIL.

You BETTER fucking apologize to me in front of all these people you pain in my ass. The only reason I will forgive you is because I like the vast majority of what you are and I am a good guy. PERIOD. You shouldn't be a big fucking destructive baby at my expense. PERIOD.

[LuMPyPussy]

Does demanding an apology really work? It seems counter-productive to me.

[username]

Who's talking about victims, you stupid bitch? I'm talking about some common courtesy and respect, not the playground in elementary school.

I'm all for common courtesy and respect, asshole (lol, I love the irony) but I don't think it can/should be legislated. Initially we WERE talking about the playground and there are parents and school administrators that will cry "sexual harassment" if a boy snaps a girls bra strap. Its ridiculous.

When my kids were in 4^th grade, one of the kids at their school told another boy that something he was doing was "gay". Top student, never been in trouble before, suspended for 2 days.

The workplace is similarly getting more and more uptight. Just because someone is an uncouth boor, that doesn't mean he/she is a criminal.

[Middle Finger]

Does demanding an apology really work? It seems counter-productive to me.

Ant is stubborn. There really isn't a better way, save me pretending that I did something so wrong. What do you suggest? That I treat her like a retard and say I'm sorry for creating a thread to collect member complaints on a software she didn't make? I'm sorry, I wish I could go back in time and call it "Post Problems Here" - or would that make her break down and lose control, too? Admins have entire forums called Complaints on their site to handle just that.

Again, I do not think it was coincidence that she bursted out with this nonsense while she was so focused on obsessively defending you from me - YOU, a bottom-feeding sea urchin of the internet. Can you believe that shit? She got way too emotional over all of it. It's her weakness. That's fine, only this time she took it out on me, a hot headed Italian. Bad fucking move when that Italian honestly doesn't see what he did that warranted an attempt at public humiliation. Most people would just say fuck off and let it be. I am at least keeping dialogue open to the bitch. Sure, it isn't the most diplomatic dialogue but it's an honest language her thick head at least has a chance of absorbing.

[D]

Fucking baby assed cunts. God damn.

[LuMPyPussy]

You always end up blaming me or OP for YOUR bad behavior... you kick and scream like a three year throwing a tantrum and then claim it's because you're a hot blooded Italian. No, you're just an asshole. Assholes can be any ethnicity. Julie's living proof of that.

[Middle Finger]

When you are done crying about what an asshole I am you can admit I am right about that Complaints thread.

[D]

Frank, you're an idiot.

Obviously I was just doing the normal set up to have one place for complaints, issues, bugs, requests, etc. so that I can tweak a template, go look up a question at the MyBB site, ask you, find a setting in admin to help, whatever.

That is the BIGGEST load of moose dung I've ever heard. You HAVE one place for issues/bugs/requests. Its called Headquarters. And you don't put them all into ONE thread. Each and EVERY issue belongs in its own thread and each addressed individually. Now grow a pair, get your wife naked and ride her hard, take a shower, and TRY AGAIN.

[LuMPyPussy]

Frank, you're an idiot.

Obviously I was just doing the normal set up to have one place for complaints, issues, bugs, requests, etc. so that I can tweak a template, go look up a question at the MyBB site, ask you, find a setting in admin to help, whatever.

That is the BIGGEST load of moose dung I've ever heard. You HAVE one place for issues/bugs/requests. Its called Headquarters. And you don't put them all into ONE thread. Each and EVERY issue belongs in its own thread and each addressed individually. Now grow a pair, get your wife naked and ride her hard, take a shower, and TRY AGAIN.

Good post, D. Well, except for the sex suggestion, that kind of creeped me out.

[D]

Sorry Lumpy, was the only thing I could think to suggest that would have any chance of getting Frank to pull his head out of whoevers ass its stuck in.

[Middle Finger]

D is just being stupid. He can just read the first post in that thread to see what my intent was. He is just being an asshole and trying to find something I did wrong. Not only is he wrong that it is BS, I've done it many times before in the past. For example, I had one thread open in my HQ forum when I changed software. People posted problems, I responded, fixed, etc. I did it again when I change the entire look of the site with new themes.

NOW LISTEN. I am NOT saying you can't or shouldn't do it with multiple threads or in a whole forum. But I opted to get us started with one thread where immediate issues can be posted in one convenient place. From experience, that works. Then, later on, as people find bugs and actually start using the features in their panel or in the threads, they make new threads with their questions or complaints. That is how it has always worked on my sites. That's not BS, that is just how it went down.

If D or someone had a better experience, good for them. I wasn't going to create multiple threads just for the fuck of it. I started with one thread. Now STFU if that is all you have on me, assholes.

[Middle Finger]

Sorry Lumpy, was the only thing I could think to suggest that would have any chance of getting Frank to pull his head out of whoevers ass its stuck in.

See my previous post - you are just being an anal retentive nit-picky asshole like Ant. You are acting like your way is always the best way and so now we are down to busting my balls about the thread title ... oh wait, now it is even better, it's not the title, IT'S THE NERVE OF THE ADMIN ENCOURAGING INPUT WITH A THREAD.

When you are done being a stupid, childish asshole, go find something better to mock because this is pathetic.

[Cynical Ninja]

It surely has been an intimidating day watching the full hatred and unfettered anger of Frank in full flow.

Scary shit.

[Middle Finger]

OP, sometimes it takes passion to bust up a clique, call out some punks, face some bullshit, and spotlight the juvenile logic and hypocrisy of certain pricks from England. Move on because unlike most other people I don't find you very challenging when it comes down to it.