"the Revs": "Spiritual Counseling Network"

[usaguy]

http://www.notary-nc.com/services.htm

Got another business on the side to make a few$$$$

[usaguy]

http://www.mcssl.com/store/ncchristianco...way-ticket

Sorry, here's the link on the ticket.

[Lady Cop]

thanks~~ i think we covered that, and facebook page, maybe in the Zahra thread before we started a new Rev. thread.

good on the uploading! haha

[usaguy]

WONDER IF ALLEGRA PRINTING, HOME DEPOT AND JAVA JOURNEY KNOW THEY'RE USING THEIR INFO?

[samanthanhky]

usaguy, you rock!! How are you so versed on these guys? You seem to know a lot about them, former co-worker, friend?

[usaguy]

I have a friend who has a friend, who has a friend. But I'm pissed because the child of the friend's friend has been terrified by these guys threats to their family. The child is handicapped.

[samanthanhky]

Seems like the group has hired an attorney and is now threatening everyone who has "slandered" them with a lawsuit. I got a cease and desist notice from the group, telling me to stop investigating. (An act that I will not stop)

Nonetheless, it appears they have successfully taken down a number of websites and removed a large number of Facebook accounts from folks who have spoken out against them.

One person just emailed me and said that they were "served" today with a notice to appear in court. Appears they are taking legal action against the individual for calling them "frauds."

I would encourage everyone to ensure their remarks are factual to avoid the Gestapo. If you have any information, please feel free to contact me. I'm on Facebook (Samantha Miller) or you can find my email address in my profile on here (if you are a member).

[BlueTiki]

The following is from the North Carolina General Assembly Statutes - My apologies as they are NOT hyperlinked. However, here is the site address:

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/St...apter=0090

Article 18C - Marriage and Family Therapy Licensure. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.45. Title of Article. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.46. Policy and purpose. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.47. Definitions. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.48. Prohibited acts. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.48A. Exemptions. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.48B: Repealed by Session Laws 2003-117, s. 2, effective October 1, 2003, and applicable to claims for payment or reimbursement for services rendered on or after that date. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.49. North Carolina Marriage and Family Therapy Licensure Board. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.50. Appointment and qualification of Board members. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.51. Powers and duties. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.52. License application. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.53: Repealed by Session Laws 1993 (Reg. Sess., 1994), c. 564, s. 2. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.54. Requirements for licensure as a marriage and family therapist. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.54A. Requirements for licensure as a marriage and family therapy associate. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.55. Examinations. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.55A: Repealed by Session Laws 2009-393, s. 9, effective October 1, 2009. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.56. Reciprocal licenses. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.57. Fees. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.58. Renewal of license. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.58A. Reinstatement after expiration. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.58B. Inactive status. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.58C. Continuing education requirements. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.59. Disposition of funds. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.60. Denial, revocation, or suspension of license; other disciplinary or remedial actions. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.61. Penalties. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.62. Injunction. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.63. Criminal history record checks of applicants for licensure as a marriage and family therapist and a marriage and family therapy associate. [RTF] [PDF]
•§ 90-270.64. Reserved for future codification purposes. [RTF] [PDF]

Additionally, here is the statute relating to Charitable Contributions

§ 131F‑31. Contributions solicited for, or accepted by or on behalf of, a named individual.

(a) Trust Account Required. – Contributions solicited for, or accepted by or on behalf of, a named individual shall be deposited in a trust account opened by a trustee named in a properly established trust document.

(b) Use of Trust Funds. – Contributions deposited in the trust fund may be used only for the purpose for which the contributions were solicited; if the contributions are no longer needed for the purpose for which they were solicited, they may be used for another similar charitable purpose. The trustee may disburse funds from the trust account only after making a written record verifying the purpose for which the funds will be used accompanied by documentation of the identity of the payee and the justification for the payment. The Trustee shall retain these records for each disbursement from the trust account for a period of three years after the disbursement. (1993 (Reg. Sess., 1994), c. 759, s. 2.)

No - I am not an attorney licensed to practice law in the State of North Carolina (however, I did stay at a Holiday Inn). No - I did not delve into the details of Chapter 90 as how they directly relate to the "services" offered by Rev. G and his other parasites . . . that's on tomorrow's To-Do list! The starting lineup: § 90-270.48, § 90-270.52, § 90-270.54 and § 90-270.63.

Betcha "Big Boy" and his cronies claim counseling is not nor should be considered "therapy"!

[BlueTiki]

Oooops! Forgot to post this little one regarding PASTORAL COUNSELING - Again, this is from the NC statutes.

Complete Statute PDF link - http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegis...cle_26.pdf

§ 90‑387. Certification and examination.
(a) The Board shall issue a certificate to practice fee‑based pastoral counseling to an applicant who:

(1) Pays an application fee of one hundred dollars ($100.00);

(2) Pays an examination fee set by the Board of not more than four hundred dollars ($400.00);

(3) Passes a Board examination in pastoral counseling;

(4) Submits evidence verified by oath and satisfactory to the Board that the applicant:

a. Is at least 21 years of age;

b. Is of good moral character;

c. Has received a masters of divinity or higher degree, or its equivalent, from an accredited educational institution;

d. Has received a masters or doctoral degree in pastoral counseling, or its equivalent, based on a planned and directed program of studies in pastoral counseling from an accredited educational institution; has completed satisfactorily one unit of full‑time clinical pastoral education in a program accredited by the Association of Clinical Pastoral Education, or its equivalent; and has completed at least 1,375 hours of pastoral counseling while receiving a minimum of 250 hours of supervision during those hours of pastoral counseling;

e. Is a member of a recognized denomination or faith group that recognizes the applicant's status as a rabbi, priest, minister, or religious leader, as defined in the Federal Internal Revenue Code;

f. Has completed three years of full‑time work as a rabbi, priest, minister, or religious leader, or its equivalent;

g. Has been ordained, or its equivalent as determined by the applicant's denomination or faith group, and has been endorsed to function as a pastoral counselor; and

h. Has not within the preceding six months failed an examination given by the Board.

(b) The Board shall issue a certificate to practice as a fee‑based pastoral counseling associate to an applicant who:

(1) Pays an application fee of one hundred dollars ($100.00);

(2) Pays an examination fee set by the Board of not more than four hundred dollars ($400.00);

(3) Passes an examination in pastoral counseling satisfactory to the Board;

(4) Submits evidence verified by oath and satisfactory to the Board that the applicant:

a. Is at least 21 years of age;

b. Is of good moral character;

c. Has received a masters of divinity or higher degree, or its equivalent, from an accredited educational institution;

d. Is a member of a recognized denomination or faith group that recognizes the applicant's status as a rabbi, priest, minister, or religious leader;

e. Has completed three years of full‑time work as a rabbi, priest, minister, or religious leader, or its equivalent;

f. Has been ordained, or its equivalent as determined by the applicant's denomination or faith group, and has been endorsed to function as a pastoral counselor;

g. Has not within the preceding six months failed an examination given by the Board; and

h. Has satisfactorily completed one unit of full‑time clinical pastoral education in a program accredited by the American Association for Clinical Education, or its equivalent, and has completed at least 375 hours of pastoral counseling including a minimum of 125 hours of supervision of those pastoral counseling hours.

© A pastoral counseling associate may become a certified fee‑based practicing pastoral counselor if the applicant complies with the requirements set forth in subsection (a) of this section and pays an examination fee set by the Board of not more than four hundred dollars ($400.00).

(d) The examinations required by subsections (a) and (b) of this section shall be in a form and content prescribed by the Board and shall be oral and written. The examinations shall be administered at least annually at a time and place to be determined by the Board. (1991, c. 670, c. 761, s. 12.4.)

[cuddles]

Yep, pastoral counseling requires certification as well. Disgusting POS is what they are. FFF. Thanks for the term, usaguy. LOL Suits them well.

[cuddles]

Later today I will prepare a complaint to send to the state. OH, and FUCK YOU FATTIE.

[cuddles]

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing to lodge a formal complaint to your company regarding domain www.zahrabaker.com “Find Zahra Baker Fund” which is on your christianhosting.com server. Please be advised that this website is NOT sanctioned by the family, nor is it an official website for the family or created, operated or administrated by anyone with familial connection to Zahra Baker of Hickory, North Carolina.

Find Zahra Baker Fund is a fraudulent website designed to defraud an unsuspecting public. Zahra Baker is a 10-year old girl from Hickory, North Carolina who went missing on October 9, 2010. She has survived bone cancer and as a result of chemotherapy and radiation therapy her leg was amputated and she suffered hearing loss. Zahra is believed to be deceased at the hands of her father and stepmother as reported by the Hickory Police Department. People are generally kind and have become emotionally involved in this missing child case. As a result, they are more than willing to open their pocketbooks and their hearts to assist in the recovery effort. However, in this instance, the funds are NOT going to the Hickory Police Department. They are not going to a Crimestoppers fund. They are not being directed to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and they are not being directed to a neutral party for administration because of the allegations of impropriety. Instead, sloppily prepared Excel sheets are being prepared with donation amounts are being prepared with no real way to verify donations and they are going into a bank account operated by a business with a convicted thief board member.

The Find Zahra Baker Fund is being administrated by “Spiritual Counseling Network” who are hosted on your server at http://ncchristiancounselors.com/. Please be advised that this organization is not a legitimate non-profit organization per the Internal Registration Service which requires approval and license from the IRS after proper application and fees have been made. The administrator, Tim Curtis, claims to be a “nonprofit”, however, being registered as a not for profit corporation in a state does not give any business or organization non-profit status. Spiritual Counseling Network is NOT a registered 501(3)© with the Internal Revenue Service, thus it is not a properly registered non-profit organization and donations made to this organization are not "tax deductible". Curtis is utilizing chicanery and is falsely making this statement of being “nonprofit”.

The website was registered by Brandon Greeson. You may be interested to know his past history as a convicted felon per the Hickory Daily Recorder, the local newspaper in Hickory, NC, and a public records check. The Spiritual Counseling Network’s spokesman for Zahra Baker Fund, Rev. Brandon Greeson, was indicted on Jan. 7, 2008 for obtaining property by false pretenses and identity theft which involved credit cards in the commission of a crime. He is a thief. A thief who is now asking for credit card numbers utilizing YOUR services to do so. He is also still on probation. It is important to note he PLEAD GUILTY to these offenses.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/...ar-465382/ This Walmart location was contacted and there is no such thing as the Walmart Outreach Fund. The store manager of the Hickory Store is very upset about saying Walmarts donated funds, and the Media Relations department and their Legal Department is investigating this matter further. Walmart has not donated and is not lending any credibility to Mr. Greeson. They have not endorsed nor do they support the Zahra Baker Fund. http://www.zahrabaker.com/fund.htm

This website also lists “counseling services”. I would like to make you aware of North Carolina law which states that it is a violation for a layperson to provide fee based counseling if they are not a licensed psychologist; to wit:

§ 90-381. Purpose. It is the purpose of this Article to protect the public safety and welfare by providing for the certification and regulation of persons engaged in the practice of fee-based pastoral counseling and pastoral psychotherapy. (1991, c. 670.)

Per their website: “Spiritual Counseling Network is an autonomous and independent non-profit ministry that is not subject to the control of any church, denomination, or other ecclesiastical body. The ministry is governed by a Board of Elders and is not subject to control by any government entity or agency.

We strive to provide quality, affordable and non-judgmental services to our community - most notably, Christian counseling. We do not provide professional mental health treatment, medication management or psychiatric treatment. However, we do provide services by counselors certified and licensed by the ministry.”

This information is UNTRUTHFUL. They state that they are a ministry who provide counseling, yet they do not provide mental health treatment. The URL of their site is ncchristianCOUNSELORS.com. In accordance to the laws of North Carolina governing counseling services, it states: The "practice of counseling" means holding oneself out to the public as a professional counselor offering counseling services that include, but are not limited to, the following:

* a. Counseling. – Assisting individuals, groups, and families through the counseling relationship by evaluating and treating mental disorders and other conditions through the use of a combination of clinical mental health and human development principles, methods, diagnostic procedures, treatment plans, and other psychotherapeutic techniques, to develop an understanding of personal problems, to define goals, and to plan action reflecting the client's interests, abilities, aptitudes, and mental health needs as these are related to personal-social-emotional concerns, educational progress, and occupations and careers. Source From "Dr. Curtis'" profile:

Dr. Timothy Curtis Director of Operations / Christian Counselor Dr. Timothy Curtis is co-founder of Spiritual Counseling Network. In 2009, Dr. Curtis was ordained as a minister with ULM. He went on to complete religious studies from ULM and was awarded a Doctorate of Divinity.

This information is also misleading. Mr. Curtis does not have a “Doctorate” of Divinity. He obtained his paper pretend degree from an online religious clearinghouse; the Universal Church of Life and paid $32.99 for his degree, and has NOT attended an accredited university to EARN this title.

We ask that you do the right thing and suspend the zahrabaker.com website for the reputation of your hosting company.

Please email your copy and pasted copy of this to [email protected]. They are providing hosting to these douchetards.

[Lady Cop]

Samantha: Seems like the group has hired an attorney and is now threatening everyone who has "slandered" them with a lawsuit. I got a cease and desist notice from the group, telling me to stop investigating. (An act that I will not stop)

anyone can sue anyone else for anything if they think they have a cause of action (and the filing fee). and the court knows what to do with frivolous lawsuits. those boilerplate cease and desist letters are worth as much as a roll of charmin. actually, they are less meaningful. and probably scratchy.

[Lady Cop]

i have a question of you locals...i have read little or nothing about the other person i see associated with greeson and curtis. who is he and what is his position?
wearing black shirt here--->

[cuddles]

Associate ball scratcher?

[Duchess]

Gopher, maybe.

Birds of a feather, flock together.

[I Love Cyclones]

I wonder and I absolutely hate to say this... Why isn't the family outraged about this fraud on the daughters' name? Or are they getting a kick back of some kind perhaps. If it were someone proffiteering off my family's misery and they had no connection to my family I'd get really pizzled. Why are they so quiet on it?

[Lady Cop]

we don't know what the family thinks of the fund. one is busy cleaning her jail cell and not issuing statements, and the other is keeping a very low profile. but the fund is quite clear the family doesn't get a dime.

btw, is anyone going to tell me who the 3^rd guy is?
and do any of them have a visible means of support or are they taking "salaries" from the 'church' for their living expenses?

[BlueTiki]

btw, is anyone going to tell me who the 3^rd guy is?

Madre de Dios! The Frito Bandito!
. . . or maybe the Rev. Uziel Medina - Director of Quality Services and Latino Outreach Coordinator?

[Lady Cop]

thanks Tiki. is he a crook? or associate jr. crook? does he have a job to keep those guys in many bags of doritos? :B

i can't find much about him, i am guessing he was "ordained" by the same diploma mill.

from their site:
Rev. Uziel Medina
Director of Quality & Services / Latino Outreach Coordinator
Rev. Medina's bio goes here.

nothing there. no illustrious credentials and bio.