Amanda Knox

[kfran]

The fact that Amanda Knox's room was so extensively cleaned that even her own finger prints were not found is extremely interesting to me.

[Cynical Ninja]

Blah, blah, blah shitstorm, if she wasn't a Yank you wouldn't give a fuck.

Guilty, move on.

[shitstorm]

Blah, blah, blah shitstorm, if she wasn't a Yank you wouldn't give a fuck.

Guilty, move on.

Wow, that comment says a lot about YOU.

[Lady Cop]

6/18/11

Rome (CNN) -- Two inmates testified Saturday that Amanda Knox, the American student convicted of murder in Italy, was not actually involved in the killing. But they couldn't agree on who the actual killers were.

Three other inmates testified as well.

Knox was sentenced last year to 26 years in prison for the death of Meredith Kercher at a villa the two shared in Perugia, the central Italian town where both were students.

Knox has vehemently proclaimed her innocence and her family has continued to fight the conviction.

There was nearly two hours of legal wrangling between attorneys before the judge decided to allow inmate Mario Alessi to testify. Alessi is serving a 30-year sentence for kidnapping and killing a 18-month old boy.

Alessi testified that Rudy Guede, who has also been convicted of being involved in Kercher's murder and is serving a 16-year sentence, told him that Knox was not involved in the killing.

Later in the day, inmate and mafia member Luciano Aviello testified that it was his brother who was the killer, together with an unidentified Albanian man.

According to Alessi, Guede said that he and an unnamed friend visited Kercher to try to get her to participate in sexual acts. When Kercher denied them, Guede's friend forced himself on her, and Guede also participated, Alessi said. At one point, the friend pulled out a knife, and then Guede, who was holding Kercher at the time, noticed she had started bleeding, Alessi testified.

Alessi told the court that Guede tried to stop the bleeding, but that his friend urged him to leave. Alessi said Guede remained by himself with Kercher for a while, but eventually left her injured.

Prosecutors questioned the validity of Alessi's testimony.

Through his lawyers, Guede has denied this version of events.

During his testimony, Aviello gave a different version of events.

Aviello said that on the night of the killing, his brother came home with scratches and other wounds. As Aviello tended to the wounds, his brother confessed to him that he had killed Kercher, he said.

According to Aviello, his brother said that he and an Albanian man entered the residence to steal a painting, and in the act ended up killing the girl. Aviello said he hasn't seen his brother in three years since then.

Prosecutors also questioned his credibility, and called for other witnesses to assess the claims made in court Saturday. The appeals process will continue June 27, when Guede is expected to testify.

in an additional twist Saturday, another inmate who the defense put on the stand to verify Alessi's version of events, testified that he, in fact, did not know anything about who carried out the killings. Even though his cell was adjacent to Alessi's and Guede's, this inmate was Romanian and did not understand their conversations, he said.

Another witness Saturday was Marco Castelluccio, a mafia member who testified from behind a screen because he is a protected witness.

Castelluccio said that he also heard from Guede that Knox had nothing to do with the crime.

Kercher, 21, was found dead on November 2, 2007, semi-naked with her throat slashed. Knox and her former Italian boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, were both found guilty of the murder. Knox was sentenced in December 2009.

Guede, a drifter originally from Ivory Coast, was tried separately.

As part of her appeal, forensic experts are retesting evidence that was used to convict her.

That evidence includes a knife found in Sollecito's apartment with Knox's DNA on the handle and what Perugia prosecutors say is Kercher's DNA in a tiny groove on the blade.

The prosecution contends that the knife was used to stab Kercher in the neck and that it had been cleaned. The DNA matter attributed to Kercher consists of flesh, not blood, they say.

The sample, however, was so small that forensic scientists investigating Kercher's murder were not able to double test it in accordance with international forensic science norms, which Knox's legal team says raises doubts about its validity.

The second piece of evidence the forensic experts are testing is the tiny metal clasp from Kercher's bra, which was cut from her body after her slaying. Forensic scientists in the investigatory phase determined that Sollecito's DNA is present on the metal clasp.

The clasp was identified on an investigatory video the same day Kercher's body was found. But it was not collected until nearly six weeks later, giving the defense cause to question whether the sample may have been contaminated.



Builder Mario Alessi, 51, is currently serving life for kidnapping and beating to death 18 month old Tommaso Onofri with a shovel.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z1PercC6qU

[Miss Conspiracy]

I'm with you, shitstorm. I think she is innocent.

[aussiefriend]

I'm with you, shitstorm. I think she is innocent.

that's horrible that people are continuing to defend a woman who has been found guilty. her partner has too. i think in english speaking countries we think we have a better system and we accept that their justice system is different and not fair so the accused must have been found guilty by a flawed system. Maybe it should be called Good Samaritan Syndrome. They can't imagine that people could look like ordinary people and do such evil. These people do not have all the evidence that was available to the people who were there and made the decision to prosecute and find them guilty.

I remember those nurses who killed the aussie in saudi arabia, thinking that they were innocent and that the justice system there must have been flawed. I then went to work there, I met westerners who knew alot more than was released to the media. Even one friend who was asked by the director of nursing that morning to knock on her door to wake her up as she was late for work. Those girls were found using her atm card a week later, on and on, heaps of stuff.

[Miss Conspiracy]

I'm with you, shitstorm. I think she is innocent.

that's horrible that people are continuing to defend a woman who has been found guilty. her partner has too.

and how is it horrible? You think that there have never been any wrongfully convicted people? Yes, sometimes the justice system is flawed, whether you like it or not

[aussiefriend]

Its horrible because the poor girl she helped to kill is bloody dead! The italians knew this was a high profile case and would want to get it right. LC works in law right, she see's things that we don't and when they arrest these evil cretins they know by their behaviour what the deal is.

Police arent in the habit of going after innocent people. It's astounding you are so convinced. I mean, no wonder she is crying foul, because people like you are buying the yarn.

What about Casey, you think she is innocent or your justice system will prevail? Come on, get with the program soldier!

[Miss Conspiracy]

Its horrible because the poor girl she helped to kill is bloody dead! The italians knew this was a high profile case and would want to get it right. LC works in law right, she see's things that we don't and when they arrest these evil cretins they know by their behaviour what the deal is.

Police arent in the habit of going after innocent people. It's astounding you are so convinced. I mean, no wonder she is crying foul, because people like you are buying the yarn.

What about Casey, you think she is innocent or your justice system will prevail? Come on, get with the program soldier!

I have followed the case, I have watched and read a lot about it. I respect LC but I can draw my own conclusions. You know, the same thing can be said, if it weren't for "people like me," wrongfully convicted people would never be set free, either. We can't always so blind fully follow or believe whatever the justice system says, to me that is also "horrible."

No, I do not believe Casey is innocent. Just because I think Amanda is, doesn't mean I just go around thinking all people on trial are innocent, so fuck off with that and stop patronizing me.

[aussiefriend]

so fuck off with that and stop patronizing me.

I am not going to fuck off, you wanna put that shit out there you are going to support a convicted murderer don't expect people to stroke you and tell you everything is going to be alright. Hey maybe I am wrong and you have a degree in criminology and you are an expert at forensics and have experience in this area. These people are amateurs and you really know what happened, you can just tell. You have watched enough episodes of Cheaters and you can tell now when someone is lying.

I am not patronizing you, believe me if I wanted to go there I could. that poor girl was raped and brutalized by those dirty deviates, and I am bloody going to speak up for her and hope that amanda knox gets some knocks whilst she is locked up. and if you are so worried about her you can send her a christmas card. piss off silly cow supporting a bloody cock craving murderer.

[Miss Conspiracy]

so fuck off with that and stop patronizing me.

I am not going to fuck off, you wanna put that shit out there you are going to support a convicted murderer don't expect people to stroke you and tell you everything is going to be alright. Hey maybe I am wrong and you have a degree in criminology and you are an expert at forensics and have experience in this area. These people are amateurs and you really know what happened, you can just tell. You have watched enough episodes of Cheaters and you can tell now when someone is lying.

I am not patronizing you, believe me if I wanted to go there I could. that poor girl was raped and brutalized by those dirty deviates, and I am bloody going to speak up for her and hope that amanda knox gets some knocks whilst she is locked up. and if you are so worried about her you can send her a christmas card. piss off silly cow supporting a bloody cock craving murderer.

oh shut the fuck up. I am not expecting nor ever asked for anyone to tell me all is alright. I can handle well enough on my own. You keep bringing up the victim as if I don't know there was one or don't care. I do care and she does deserve justice. You ARE patronizing me, and to think that you are not, already tells me your level of intelligence. I don't need to spar with your dumbass.

[aussiefriend]

You ARE patronizing me, and to think that you are not, already tells me your level of intelligence. I don't need to spar with your dumbass.

You quote like a newbie, you aint so smart. And you are standing up for a murderer, dumb and dumber. My level of intelligence far exceeds yours, most people in here know that you clearly are not one of them. I don't need to tell you my level of academia to shut you up but lets just say you are making yourself look stupid. But then you are still learning to quote aren't you. Nevermind.

If it makes you feel any better maybe she didn't do it. They are just picking on her.

[Miss Conspiracy]

You quote like a newbie, you aint so smart. And you are standing up for a murderer, dumb and dumber. My level of intelligence far exceeds yours, most people in here know that you clearly are not one of them. I don't need to tell you my level of academia to shut you up but lets just say you are making yourself look stupid. But then you are still learning to quote aren't you. Nevermind.

If it makes you feel any better maybe she didn't do it. They are just picking on her.

Ohh noes... I'm a bulletin board newbie. How ever will I get over this? I'm not one of you guys! I'm hurt.. really I am. That was the best you could do.

[aussiefriend]

I would not normally mention it, but you were calling me stupid and clearly you are the one that's limited. I don't mean to pull rank on you intellectually........look I could keep going but I am going to leave it, you are making a big enough fool out of yourself without my help.

Look as I said, your right, they are wrong. OK. I know, I know, those darn forensic/DNA people are full of shit.

[Miss Conspiracy]

I would not normally mention it, but you were calling me stupid and clearly you are the one that's limited. I don't mean to pull rank on you intellectually........look I could keep going but I am going to leave it, you are making a big enough fool out of yourself without my help.

Look as I said, your right, they are wrong. OK. I know, I know, those darn forensic/DNA people are full of shit.

Keep going? You have not proven "intellectual rank" yet, at all. You said I can't quote. Oooh, yeah that really did it. Even though I quoted just fine. So what if I like to include my quote as well?

Oh and it's you're, not your.

Glad you're coming around though. Now, I'm done with this, I am not going to be going around in circles with you on who is smarter, that's just fucking stupid. Go on and have the last word if you'd like. Good night.

[aussiefriend]

I have been pulled up for that many many times in here (your), Dick is the spelling Nazi.

Look you caught me on a bad day. I normally don't get into these scuffles, I am usually on the receiving end. I know I am in Mock and I am allowed to get into slanging matches, but normally I don't. I will get grief for this, but I wholeheartedly apologise for being rude. I have posted this publicly and have not sent you a PM to put my money where my mouth is.

I think I came across as being arrogant when I said 'get with the program'. Then it started from there. It's not good for us to be mean to one another over such a tragic event. I actually felt bad after those postings so I know it was not the right thing to do.

You are probably a very nice person in your heart you feel she is innocent, and she might be a victim of injustice. If it makes you feel any better I really hope she didn't do it. If she didn't, then I hope the truth comes out and she is set free. But alot of killers say they are innocent when we know darn well they did it. I think she did it, but I am not 100% sure because I wasn't there. I am not a gambler, but if I did, my money would be on her.

[Miss Conspiracy]

I have been pulled up for that many many times in here (your), Dick is the spelling Nazi.

Look you caught me on a bad day. I normally don't get into these scuffles, I am usually on the receiving end. I know I am in Mock and I am allowed to get into slanging matches, but normally I don't. I will get grief for this, but I wholeheartedly apologise for being rude. I have posted this publicly and have not sent you a PM to put my money where my mouth is.

I think I came across as being arrogant when I said 'get with the program'. Then it started from there. It's not good for us to be mean to one another over such a tragic event. I actually felt bad after those postings so I know it was not the right thing to do.

You are probably a very nice person in your heart you feel she is innocent, and she might be a victim of injustice. If it makes you feel any better I really hope she didn't do it. If she didn't, then I hope the truth comes out and she is set free. But alot of killers say they are innocent when we know darn well they did it. I think she did it, but I am not 100% sure because I wasn't there. I am not a gambler, but if I did, my money would be on her.

It's all good. I don't mind taking some heat on here, but we were just not getting anywhere lol. All I can say is that is the conclusion I have come up with for myself where this case is concerned. I definitely think the evidence points more to the "drifter" and possibly an accomplice of his. But none of us know for sure, we'll see how it goes after the appeals go through and we get the independent testing of the DNA. If she is guilty I can swallow my pride and say I was wrong and she is exactly where she needs to be!

from CP Post:

'Although denying involvement in the killing, Guede is so far the individual most relevantly linked to the murder among the three tried due to positive forensics tests of DNA found on and in Kercher's body matching his own as well as matching finger and foot prints at the crime scene. The reason his sentence was reduced to 16 years was for being the only individual out of the three to say sorry to Kercher's family for failing to rescue her.

As for Knox, there has been no forensic evidence, except for a knife containing both Knox's and Kercher's DNA found in Sollecito's flat, indicating that she was present in the bedroom Kercher was killed on Nov. 1, 2007.

Knox's defense team dismissed the knife as valid evidence saying that Knox had used knives to cook in Sollecito's apartment.

Knox is a college student from Seattle, Wash., who was studying abroad in Perugia, Italy, when her roommate was murdered. She has denied any wrongdoing.

“I don’t want to spend my whole life in prison as an innocent,” Knox said in May.

DNA tests are being carried out once again on judge orders. According to CBSnews.com, Kurt Knox, Amanda's father, doesn’t believe new witnesses testifying in favor of his daughter are important to the case. Rather, “it's more wrapped around … the DNA evidence that's going to be brought to the trial on the 30^th of June.”'

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looking forward to 6/30!

[Duchess]

I am not patronizing you, believe me if I wanted to go there I could. that poor girl was raped and brutalized by those dirty deviates, and I am bloody going to speak up for her and hope that amanda knox gets some knocks whilst she is locked up. and if you are so worried about her you can send her a christmas card. piss off silly cow supporting a bloody cock craving murderer.

Cat fight!

Wiiiiiiiiii :B

[aussiefriend]

LOL that's a dark side of me you don't often see hey? I really did feel terribly guilty afterwards! he he he

[Duchess]

I insist we see more of it!